# NPA, TUTH, or AMMO **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 25, 2013, 10:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842 "2013-04-25T10:53:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 10:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/1 "2013-04-25T10:53:23Z")
Hello, I am 38, African American (I prefer Black btw), married, and attractive. Just trying to spice it up for the wife and me. Which is the best one for that bar none? I already have some IS and Realm. Going to stock up on some more [A314 spray](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic-spray/) (A type) and IH. This is already a go, so now I am only focused on NPA, TUTH, or AMMO and would like to know which would be best with a combo of IS, IH, and A314 and why. Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 10:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/2 "2013-04-25T10:55:14Z")
BTW, I’m a man of habit trying to find the best mix long term. Whatever I start using now, will be the ones I go with from here on out. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 11:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/3 "2013-04-25T11:49:41Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > Hello, I am 38, African American (I prefer Black btw), married, and attractive. Just trying to spice it up for the wife and me. Which is the best one for that bar none? > > I already have some IS and Realm. Going to stock up on some more A314 spray (A type) and IH. This is already a go, so now I am only focused on NPA, TUTH, or AMMO and would like to know which would be best with a combo of IS, IH, and A314 and why. Thanks in advance. What are you trying to accomplish? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 12:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/4 "2013-04-25T12:20:57Z")
They are all good in the right situations - No way I can recommend one over another - except that [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) will be more widely usable than either NPA or TUTH - but it all depends on your goals and your opportunities to use them. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/5 "2013-04-25T15:26:02Z")
The main goal is to create more opportunities for me during the day and light a huge fire with the wife by night. We are both particularly tired by evening, but I noticed the mones have a monster affect. Now I would like to keep the momentum, but with even more power. TUTH seems to hit and miss with 1-3 sprays. Until I realized I should place on the neck, but I can only wear that at night. If TUTH is going to be the best for night time, then it is what it is. I would like something that I can wear day or night and have it going on. ---
**Author:** ![GabRulez](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gabrulez/32/394_2.png) [@GabRulez](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GabRulez)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/6 "2013-04-25T21:31:10Z")
I like pimping my A314 with a small dose of AMMO sometimes. It fit very well together. ---
**Author:** ![pheronik](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheronik/32/248_2.png) [@pheronik](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheronik)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 1:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/7 "2013-04-26T01:59:59Z")
You can go for TUTH. Ammo is mostly for attraction. Since you are trying out with wife, TUTH can be most appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/8 "2013-04-26T06:59:53Z")
So, now we are getting somewhere. AMMO is for attraction, so scratch that. Now we are to TUTH and NPA. Out of these two, which will add that spark that I am seeking out. I know we just said TUTH should be fine, but what does NPA actually do? ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 8:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/9 "2013-04-26T08:33:58Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > So, now we are getting somewhere. AMMO is for attraction, so scratch that. Now we are to TUTH and NPA. Out of these two, which will add that spark that I am seeking out. I know we just said TUTH should be fine, but what does NPA actually do? Go for NPA if your trying to spice things up in the bedroom, that stuff is some awesome juice. Although tuth would be better if you want to add a sexual edge to the products you already have. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 8:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/10 "2013-04-26T08:54:34Z")
Ammo is more than just attraction - It conveys a whole range of social/sexy/interesting values. The sort of thing that is good all round. A little A314 suits Ammo very well too and makes it a sexy/social beast! 😃 TUTH and NPA are more difficult to use socially and I’m split between them for what is best - I’ve had some pretty wild times on both paired with A314. Although NPA might just have the wider potential but TUTH has always got me a lot of good in the bedroom. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/11 "2013-04-26T09:21:49Z")
Can you use AMMO and TUTH, or AMMO and NPA together for any decent results? I mean that along with A314, IH, and IS ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/12 "2013-04-26T09:40:39Z")
Nah, I am just going to order some TUTH, IH, A314, and NPA and have fun. Tell me the best way to use this combo and I’m on my way I believe. IS A314 IH TUTH NPA If you can tell me how to pull this combo off, then I’m good. This will be my order this evening. Also, what is the average time table for NPA? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/13 "2013-04-26T09:51:44Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > Can you use AMMO and TUTH, or AMMO and NPA together for any decent results? I mean that along with A314, IH, and IS You can use TUTH to raise the none proportion in Ammo, which is effective. simply add the same amount of TUTH to your Ammo application to raise it from 1:1:1 to 2:1:1. NPA and TUTH together is pretty pointless and liable to OD easily. Use on or the other. IME, A314 tends to work best as the primary component with TUTH as sexual steering but with NPA, its effective in a more even mix. Ammo seems to do best with just a small amount of A314 - remember there is rone in there already, so tha A314 steering will take it over. A314/IH is a brilliant professional mix that can be very effectively sexualised with just NPA when things turn social. I’ve not done quite so well with it and TUTH unless there is some IS or P83 in there. IS is a good complement for any of them but I have to say I like the simplicity, directness and potency of the A314/TUTH mix - Adding anything else either detracts or needs further moderation into a totally different mix altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 2:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/14 "2013-04-26T14:02:33Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > You can use TUTH to raise the none proportion in Ammo, which is effective. simply add the same amount of TUTH to your Ammo application to raise it from 1:1:1 to 2:1:1. NPA and TUTH together is pretty pointless and liable to OD easily. Use on or the other. > > IME, A314 tends to work best as the primary component with TUTH as sexual steering but with NPA, its effective in a more even mix. Ammo seems to do best with just a small amount of A314 - remember there is rone in there already, so tha A314 steering will take it over. A314/IH is a brilliant professional mix that can be very effectively sexualised with just NPA when things turn social. I’ve not done quite so well with it and TUTH unless there is some IS or P83 in there. > > IS is a good complement for any of them but I have to say I like the simplicity, directness and potency of the A314/TUTH mix - Adding anything else either detracts or needs further moderation into a totally different mix altogether. There it is. Thanks man. I really appreciate your patience over this past month with me. I really love the product and the affects. I think I’ll buy some NPA, but my focus is on AD. Thanks again man. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 2:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/15 "2013-04-26T14:04:16Z")
One more thing Mr. Caster. Could you tell me how many sprays of each, also I am going to only use one drop of NPA in an atomizer. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/16 "2013-04-26T15:54:04Z")
You will need more than that! Standard dilution for NPA is 1+5, so that’s 0.8ml NPA plus 4.2ml cologne or Phero mix into a 5ml togo/atomiser. However, depending on other components and factors you may want to go higher or lower. TBH, its often easier to mix your NPA in a cover scent and apply that as the last layer of your mix. As for number of sprays - you are going to need to do some testing for yourself here as personal and situational factors have a significant bearing. Except for A314/TUTH - which benefits on going much higher than normal on the A314 and using just the minimum amount of TUTH for steering. So try 4 sprays A314 and 1 spray TUTH and go somewhere uninhibited, then take it from there! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/17 "2013-04-26T20:11:34Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > You will need more than that! > > Standard dilution for NPA is 1+5, so that’s 0.8ml NPA plus 4.2ml cologne or Phero mix into a 5ml togo/atomiser. However, depending on other components and factors you may want to go higher or lower. > > TBH, its often easier to mix your NPA in a cover scent and apply that as the last layer of your mix. > > As for number of sprays - you are going to need to do some testing for yourself here as personal and situational factors have a significant bearing. > > Except for A314/TUTH - which benefits on going much higher than normal on the A314 and using just the minimum amount of TUTH for steering. So try 4 sprays A314 and 1 spray TUTH and go somewhere uninhibited, then take it from there! 😃 I keep reading [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) and A314 are similar, what is the difference? Could I get similar results from P75 and TUTH? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 3:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/18 "2013-04-27T03:30:23Z")
There is no similarity whatsoever between [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) and A314! P75 is a single molecule with interesting properties but A314 is a complex mix that works on all sorts of levels. Despite the odd bit of enthusiastic reporting, there is no way you approximate that with just a single molecule - Although I have wondered before if P75 might be a component of A314. And P75/any overt none is a difficult mix - apt to be very edgy and discomforting. I’ve had whole roomfulls of people get-up and move right away from me. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 6:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/19 "2013-04-27T06:47:09Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > There is no similarity whatsoever between P75 and A314! > > P75 is a single molecule with interesting properties but A314 is a complex mix that works on all sorts of levels. Despite the odd bit of enthusiastic reporting, there is no way you approximate that with just a single molecule - Although I have wondered before if P75 might be a component of A314. > > And P75/any overt none is a difficult mix - apt to be very edgy and discomforting. I’ve had whole roomfulls of people get-up and move right away from me. Okay, thank you for telling me that. I almost made a mistake. I’m not here to just play around, I have some serious ideas on what to do next. Can you explain P83 to me as well as you did [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/)? I cannot afford people wanting to get away from me. As well as IG vs A314. As you have probably already noticed, I am trying to figure this thing out for real. A314 either comes in small bottles, or in oil. The oil is $100+ that I am having difficulty affording until this summer. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 7:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/20 "2013-04-27T07:15:26Z")
P83 is a light disinhibitor and helps with getting up-close and physical. Goes very well with many pheros as a secondary but is not a none moderator in its own right. Use less in social mixes and more in sexuals 10mcg is a good starter concentration that will let you explore the whole dose range. Its not a mistake with P75 - just it is wholly unsuited to that purpose. However, P75 can bring all sorts of useful properties to other mixes with careful moderation and is also a very useful alternative to none in mixes around people liable to respond badly - young and Asians in particular. IG is less severe Androstenone mix. Less complex and still lots of status but steered in a lighter, more sociable and youthful way. [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)/IG and a little P75 has been an excellent daytime/light sexy/social mix for me this last year. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842.md?page=2)