# NPA, TUTH, or AMMO **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 25, 2013, 10:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842 "2013-04-25T10:53:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 7:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/21 "2013-04-27T07:20:30Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > P83 is a light disinhibitor and helps with getting up-close and physical. Goes very well with many pheros as a secondary but is not a none moderator in its own right. Use less in social mixes and more in sexuals 10mcg is a good starter concentration that will let you explore the whole dose range. > > Its not a mistake with P75 - just it is wholly unsuited to that purpose. However, P75 can bring all sorts of useful properties to other mixes with careful moderation and is also a very useful alternative to none in mixes around people liable to respond badly - young and Asians in particular. > > IG is less severe Androstenone mix. Less complex and still lots of status but steered in a lighter, more sociable and youthful way. Summer Ammo/IG and a little P75 has been an excellent daytime/light sexy/social mix for me this last year. Yeah, its going to be A314 for me, for the win as I read you loud and clear. Now, there are two different kinds of A314. You have “A” and “B”. What are the actual differences? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 7:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/22 "2013-04-27T07:32:09Z")
No difference in formula, only dose. The /b version is dosed to be closest in impact to the oil, so you can approximate sprays for drops. However, it does lack oil’s subtlety and will not last as long on the skin - around six hours as opposed to oil’s 8-10. Its the one to try if you are thinking on getting the oil eventually and IMO that is the best version by far and also the most cost effective in the long run. However the higher dose/greater impact of the /a spray does suit social/dating/sexual uses well - where you need to make maximum impact in the shortest time. Bit unsubtle for work though. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 7:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/23 "2013-04-27T07:38:17Z")
Okay, wow. Was using the “A” version and yo…I thought there was something wrong. Okay so B it is. Its taking me a long time to decide. I ran out of TUTH and A314 (small bottles). I still have P102 that seems to do nothing except make me loopy. IS has been awesome. I do notice the sexual tone of it. I like it, instant fan here. So I have been trying to find what it right for me. Going to invest in a bigger bottle of TUTH…that stuff is boss! Then Some more A314. Think I’ll get two bottles of “b” and see if it lasts. I am intrigued by P83. I was going to get [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) and hope it lasts til summer, but that may be no good. I can’t spend as much as I would like, moving soon. So I will have to go with just a couple (3 actually) although I am going to spend that little extra on A314. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 8:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/24 "2013-04-27T08:06:53Z")
If you are going to go with a putative, [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is the most widely useful and probably easiest to get to grips with from those two. It will go well with all of these. If you do go for P75, start with the 2.5mcg/30ml size and work from one spray up. You really don’t need much in mixes to get a profound effect. Also, A314/P75 is apt to be very severe/serious and quite difficult to use - unless you want to project that “standing on the battlements” vibe! Two togos of A314/b is about 40 dollars - which is pushing-on to half the price of a bottle of A314 oil for only 80 sprays. A bottle of oil works out at around 270 drops, so you get a lot more for your money if you can manage a bit more. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 8:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/25 "2013-04-27T08:12:26Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > If you are going to go with a putative, P83 is the most widely useful and probably easiest to get to grips with from those two. It will go well with all of these. If you do go for P75, start with the 2.5mcg/30ml size and work from one spray up. You really don’t need much in mixes to get a profound effect. Also, A314/P75 is apt to be very severe/serious and quite difficult to use - unless you want to project that “standing on the battlements” vibe! > > Two togos of A314/b is about 40 dollars - which is pushing-on to half the price of a bottle of A314 oil for only 80 sprays. A bottle of oil works out at around 270 drops, so you get a lot more for your money if you can manage a bit more. You may be right about the A314. I will have to really sit down and think about it. Not going with [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/). I think it may be way too complicated for me. You say P83 is easy to use? That works for me. A314 at 2-3 sprays sounds good. Need the TUTH bro. So the only thing left for me to think on is $40 for two small bottles or $110 on the oil. 60-70 difference. I know I can afford it this summer. Just not sure for now. I just know that it will be A314. Hate pinching ennies, but… TUTH is going to get mainled to me. I think I just need more info on P83 and on how to use it. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 9:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/26 "2013-04-27T09:30:32Z")
[P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is simple to use - Its not a primary phero but shines as a secondary addition to your main mix. Dose range is wide and you don’t have a great deal of OD problems - except that over 100mcg gets unproductive. I mostly work in the 30-50 range. The main issue with P83 is using it where you can’t make use of its properties - Work, college and the like. Its one to be used where you can interact on all levels with people. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 9:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842/27 "2013-04-27T09:43:21Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > P83 is simple to use - Its not a primary phero but shines as a secondary addition to your main mix. Dose range is wide and you don’t have a great deal of OD problems - except that over 100mcg gets unproductive. I mostly work in the 30-50 range. > > The main issue with P83 is using it where you can’t make use of its properties - Work, college and the like. Its one to be used where you can interact on all levels with people. Thanks man. 🙂 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/npa-tuth-or-ammo/58842.md?page=1)