# Nuclear Fallout: Building a Pheremone WMD **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 22, 2010, 4:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789 "2010-10-22T04:31:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 11:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/221 "2013-12-02T23:39:41Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Very good call on TAK! šŸ˜ƒ > > Iā€™ve been sitting on a bottle for ages but never did much beyond sweet spotting it because of the foot. > > So I added 15mcg TAK to the PA/A314 combo and Iā€™ve been enjoying myself all day. From the moment the young lass in the coffeeshop grabbed my arm, pulled herself very close, to say how good it was to see me without a crutch! Through principal falloutā€™s (yes, she was calling me by 11AM!) almost dazed fidgety/flicky, distracted, dreamy response - and sheā€™s wanting to get together again very soon. The woman in the shoe shop who sold me a new pair of climbing boots (ambitious no? šŸ˜‰ ) and gave me her number. To the dead-stop DHIL from the blonde tatooed lass in another coffeeshop. All great fun! šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ Iā€™d love to see more veteran A314 users, especially those rare few whoā€™ve used even the original 5-molecule formula cross-compare w/ TAK. It may be a overlooked and superior -eNone buffer. For the holidays I might use the otherwise annoying crowds as a testing opportunity. Letā€™s see how heavy TAK tames the crowds with a stiff TUTH dose. šŸ™‚ Maybe weā€™ll go on a Wallyā€™s Mart cougar hunt. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/222 "2013-12-04T03:26:48Z")
Had some awesome first day hits, but now Iā€™m uncertain. What should I look for to see if this is really working right? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/223 "2013-12-04T03:37:00Z")
Just stick with your base mix - It can take some time to hit home. Watch for signs of increased emotional engagement building over time. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/224 "2013-12-04T04:17:44Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Just stick with your base mix - It can take some time to hit home. Watch for signs of increased emotional engagement building over time. Has to be the same over and over? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 12:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/225 "2013-12-04T12:04:34Z")
For the base mix, yes. Secondaries can vary to suit the situation but some general consistency is good. Keep any major variations for specific situations. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/226 "2013-12-04T15:06:29Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > For the base mix, yes. Secondaries can vary to suit the situation but some general consistency is good. Keep any major variations for specific situations. Okay, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/227 "2013-12-04T15:16:24Z")
What do you think of this Mobo. 2 drops A314 3 drops TL 1 shot NPA should I add P74, IH, or [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)? lolā€¦I have been using all except in stead of NPA its Evolve. ---
**Author:** ![XyzN](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xyzn/32/2416_2.png) [@XyzN](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XyzN)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/228 "2013-12-04T16:40:02Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > It can take some time to hit home. To anyone reading this thread, ^^This is very important. You may not, and will most likely not, notice any blatant effects your beginning into fallout. As days go past you, you eventually reflect back on you and your target(s)ā€™ interactions and how things have grown. I had 2 older female co-workers, whom I barely talked with for almost a **whole year**. Used Ammo first as my first phero product, got them (and me) talking a bit with each other. Switched to dienone product + b-nol products after that. Spent about a month or 2 using dienone+bnols. Within these 2 months, weā€™ve become best friends in my workplace, theyā€™d rather work with me than anyone else, invite me to parties, friendly physical contact, etc. It grew on an emotional level. Took some days for me to notice any signs of fallout, probably 5 days exposure before anything noticeable. They shared stories with me no one else had heard. They tell me how they get sad when Iā€™m not around working with them. It starts out very small. Down the road, you look at where you are now with them. Dienone really does its work on females, the B-Nols enhance this feeling they get with you to provide one of the best comforting feelings you can get. Yes, it doesnā€™t work on everyone. Experimentation is key. Some blends work very well, while others donā€™t at all on certain individuals. Every now and then, you throw a little variation into the mix to keep things interesting. I know the anxiety to try new products and variations, but if you hope to capture a certain someoneā€™s attention, you need to keep a blend going for a bit before switching as mobo & others have said. Also, a quick note on building fallout. You need to work at it. You need to spend time conversing and getting to know each other better. It is not pure attraction where they come running to you. Even if you are a generally shy person as I am myself. I speak very little compared to what other people here probably do. I give greetings and bring up topics with my co-workers. The pheros really make things smoother to go by. Specifically with these co-workers I mention, they do a majority of the talking while I provide my input and things keep getting better. Donā€™t be afraid to show willingness to bond. p.s. on your mix Crucible, I have no input cause I havenā€™t tried most of those products so I donā€™t want to give any invalid tips :x ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/229 "2013-12-04T18:15:11Z")
> [@XyzN](#): > > To anyone reading this thread, ^^This is very important. You may not, and will most likely not, notice any blatant effects your beginning into fallout. > > As days go past you, you eventually reflect back on you and your target(s)ā€™ interactions and how things have grown. > > I had 2 older female co-workers, whom I barely talked with for almost a **whole year**. Used Ammo first as my first phero product, got them (and me) talking a bit with each other. Switched to dienone product + b-nol products after that. Spent about a month or 2 using dienone+bnols. Within these 2 months, weā€™ve become best friends in my workplace, theyā€™d rather work with me than anyone else, invite me to parties, friendly physical contact, etc. > > It grew on an emotional level. Took some days for me to notice any signs of fallout, probably 5 days exposure before anything noticeable. They shared stories with me no one else had heard. They tell me how they get sad when Iā€™m not around working with them. It starts out very small. Down the road, you look at where you are now with them. Dienone really does its work on females, the B-Nols enhance this feeling they get with you to provide one of the best comforting feelings you can get. > > Yes, it doesnā€™t work on everyone. Experimentation is key. Some blends work very well, while others donā€™t at all on certain individuals. > > Every now and then, you throw a little variation into the mix to keep things interesting. > > I know the anxiety to try new products and variations, but if you hope to capture a certain someoneā€™s attention, you need to keep a blend going for a bit before switching as mobo & others have said. > > Also, a quick note on building fallout. You need to work at it. You need to spend time conversing and getting to know each other better. It is not pure attraction where they come running to you. Even if you are a generally shy person as I am myself. I speak very little compared to what other people here probably do. I give greetings and bring up topics with my co-workers. The pheros really make things smoother to go by. Specifically with these co-workers I mention, they do a majority of the talking while I provide my input and things keep getting better. Donā€™t be afraid to show willingness to bond. > > p.s. on your mix Crucible, I have no input cause I havenā€™t tried most of those products so I donā€™t want to give any invalid tips :x Thanks, this was a much needed explanation. Any chance you can start over if you think you may have screwed up, or is it a done deal? ---
**Author:** ![XyzN](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xyzn/32/2416_2.png) [@XyzN](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XyzN)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/230 "2013-12-04T19:44:45Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > Any chance you can start over if you think you may have screwed up, or is it a done deal? Depends on various things, one namely is how badly you ā€œscrewed upā€ and/or how willing that person is to get back with you. So I canā€™t say for anyone whether or not there is a chance, but if you feel like there is, as in she still has interest for youā€¦ Use dienone for sure as a base First up. Either solo or use with Bnolsā€¦careful with Bnols though, people who donā€™t like you can easily be encouraged to speak their mind about you when you wear Bnolsā€¦thatā€™s why I personally donā€™t recommend Bnols till you are on good relations with someone or strangers only. Obviously donā€™t use -none :x ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 7:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/231 "2013-12-04T19:48:59Z")
I donā€™t mean screwed up with her, more like the mix. Is there such a thing as starting over. Can you also give me a hint on what products have those chems? ---
**Author:** ![XyzN](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xyzn/32/2416_2.png) [@XyzN](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XyzN)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/232 "2013-12-04T20:32:44Z")
Yeah, I would say for sure you can redo a mix. It just means you have to restart if weā€™re still talking about fallout here. If you were using a basic fallout mix already, just review it and make sure itā€™s what you need for who ever it is youā€™re using it with. Observe effects, change as needed. I havnā€™t done enough testing with -rones to finalize anything, but my fallout has been done without a -rone based product like A314 or Steveā€™s Ascend. Been using Cohesion + Connections by Steve as my fallout for 2 certain women at my workplace. (been testing Steveā€™s stuff at the moment) I only have experience with a few products so far. (Began using pheros a few months ago). Iā€™d recommend you things, but I could only offer based off what Iā€™ve heard from others. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/233 "2013-12-04T21:54:12Z")
> [@XyzN](#): > > Yeah, I would say for sure you can redo a mix. It just means you have to restart if weā€™re still talking about fallout here. > > If you were using a basic fallout mix already, just review it and make sure itā€™s what you need for who ever it is youā€™re using it with. > > Observe effects, change as needed. I havnā€™t done enough testing with -rones to finalize anything, but my fallout has been done without a -rone based product like A314 or Steveā€™s Ascend. Been using Cohesion + Connections by Steve as my fallout for 2 certain women at my workplace. (been testing Steveā€™s stuff at the moment) > > I only have experience with a few products so far. (Began using pheros a few months ago). Iā€™d recommend you things, but I could only offer based off what Iā€™ve heard from others. I think Iā€™m going to reboot with 2x A314 and 3x True Love. Doubt I need much else. Thinking Iā€™ll do that for a week and add some NPA next week. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/234 "2013-12-05T15:41:26Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > What do you think of this Mobo. > > 2 drops A314 > 3 drops TL > 1 shot NPA > > should I add P74, IH, or P83? lolā€¦I have been using all except in stead of NPA its Evolve. If you have been using all of them, then its too much and your mix is overcomplicated and possibly quite confusing. Use either A314/TL, A314/IH/[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) or IH/P74 as your core mix, and regard the P83, NPA, Evolve or any other products as secondaries, to be introduced/used as the situation demands. Varying your core mix is quite possible but it should **only** be done after running each for some time and preferably with a layoff between them - a Holidays/time-off are ideal. Then return with your new core mix, for a similarly protracted period. Current principal fallout for me has been through three different core mixes before the PA/A314 hit home. First it was A314/IH/P74, then after not seeing her for a few months I resumed with A314/A1 (or Cohesion) then moved to the current mix. She has been exposed to other mixes in the same period on short term/specific situation basis without problems but the exposure that counts has been maintained over all others. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/235 "2013-12-05T15:50:14Z")
> [@XyzN](#): > > Also, a quick note on building fallout. You need to work at it. You need to spend time conversing and getting to know each other better. It is not pure attraction where they come running to you. Even if you are a generally shy person as I am myself. I speak very little compared to what other people here probably do. I give greetings and bring up topics with my co-workers. The pheros really make things smoother to go by. Specifically with these co-workers I mention, they do a majority of the talking while I provide my input and things keep getting better. Donā€™t be afraid to show willingness to bond. Also, very, very important! šŸ™‚ Letting them do much of the talking is a very useful sharing/bonding/attractive feature. However, **you must** make every interaction count in an attraction/status way and avoid becoming just an emotional crutch to them - This is where the interaction parings like IH/[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) and feelgood steering like IS come into play - you need to promote the environment/steer the interaction so they can start sharing with you in a way that turns them-on because of you. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/236 "2013-12-05T18:50:07Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > If you have been using all of them, then its too much and your mix is overcomplicated and possibly quite confusing. > > Use either A314/TL, A314/IH/P74 or IH/P74 as your core mix, and regard the P83, NPA, Evolve or any other products as secondaries, to be introduced/used as the situation demands. > > Varying your core mix is quite possible but it should **only** be done after running each for some time and preferably with a layoff between them - a Holidays/time-off are ideal. Then return with your new core mix, for a similarly protracted period. > > Current principal fallout for me has been through three different core mixes before the PA/A314 hit home. First it was A314/IH/P74, then after not seeing her for a few months I resumed with A314/A1 (or Cohesion) then moved to the current mix. She has been exposed to other mixes in the same period on short term/specific situation basis without problems but the exposure that counts has been maintained over all others. So, you think putting NPA in the mix is too much? ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 6:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/237 "2013-12-05T18:54:03Z")
So, I should just go with TL and A314 alone then. No NPAā€¦all good. Iā€™ll start that tomorrow. Could not resist testing it out though. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/238 "2013-12-05T21:09:13Z")
NPA will be fine when the situation requires it but its not a core component. Sort that first, then think about the steering/secondaries. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/239 "2013-12-05T21:14:21Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > NPA will be fine when the situation requires it but its not a core component. Sort that first, then think about the steering/secondaries. Oh the temptation Moboā€¦lol!!! Iā€™ll do better tomorrow. That NPA is a monster though. SEriously. How long does A314 and TL last and do I need to bring some for a touch up? Also, is that a good mixture? A314 and TLā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/240 "2013-12-05T22:27:09Z")
Both oils, so you should get the full eight hours - extendable to 10/12 if applied over a smidgin of lotion. This is another of the reasons I like oils - far less hassle! šŸ˜‰ [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789.md?page=11) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789.md?page=13)