# Nutrition and supplements. **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [July 5, 2009, 11:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nutrition-and-supplements/30421 "2009-07-05T23:03:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![otter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/898d66/32.png) [@otter](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/otter)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nutrition-and-supplements/30421/21 "2009-07-09T16:36:49Z")
> [@peregrine](#): > > Be careful w/ vitamins in pill form. A lot of the nutrients are lost in the refining process. Your body only absorbs 10-20% of the pill anyway. Liquid vitamins are just the opposite. Be wary of items that are fortified w/ 100% of say vitamin C. They could have dropped .5mcg of the pure vitamin into a 55gal drum of h2o and still legally make that claim. Most of the supplements we don’t need but since most are h2o soluble they pass through the system harmlessly. 🙂 > > Peregrine I agree with" Peregrin " in the industry i worked in the elevators and cranes heavy lift], the portable toilets, are full none digested vitamins witch clog up the vacuum cleaners on the trucks. I would use either powder, liquigels or liquid vitamins. Make sure they are h2o soluble… ott ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 4:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nutrition-and-supplements/30421/22 "2009-07-10T04:41:07Z")
Is it accurate that you’re 26 years old and having these menopausal symptoms? That is definitely not right. I’d certainly be persistent with the doctors in finding out what’s going on. It is usually some kind of extreme stress like anorexia or marathon running or, of course, disease. If it is not uterine/ovarian, I’d think – by the process of elimination – that the next thing to consider would be the pituitary. I think this is sufficiently awry to move beyond the OB-GYN if they haven’t found anything. Are you seeing an endocrinologist? Well, if you know your DHEA numbers, I guess I should assume you’ve got a good doctor. DHEA levels correlate with many health related issues, including insulin resistance and longevity. If they are low – or even low normal – maybe it would be a good thing for you to take. I take pregnenolone along with my DHEA. Pregnenolone is a precursor to DHEA. I like the mental effects (including alertness) of pregnenolone better. It is sometimes considered a “smart drug”. I started taking nutritional supplements in my early to mid twenties. That’s thirty years ago. People often assume that I am much younger than I am. There is a awful lot to be accomplished health-wise with a little careful research and self-awareness. You certainly cannot rely on the MSM for health or nutritional knowledge. They are shallow, contradictory and misleading – too much advertising from big pharma. You’d have to eat three pounds of raw broccoli to get enough I3C, 80 oranges to get the vitamin C that Linus Pauling recommends, bushels of tomatoes to get the optimal beta carotene. If you just want too avoid rickets or beriberi or scurvy, eating a balanced diet is fine. You will never come close to optimizing your health, well-being and longevity by a healthy diet alone. That’s just propaganda. RDAs are to prevent life threatening nutritional deficiency disease, not optimize health. That is why good vitamins have very high RDA percentages. RDA is a meaningless measure, unless you live in a cave or a refugee camp. I like _Life Extension Magazine_ for nutritional/health information. I have been reading that for about thirty years. They have a good track record. They are usually way ahead of the curve. It’s kind of like _National Geographic_. You don’t subscribe to _National Geographic_ magazine; you join the National Geographic Society and they send members the magazine. You join the Life Extension Foundation. Vitamin Research Products also has a (smaller) monthly publication that is good. I’ve recently started reading Dr Mercola’s website newsletter [Natural Health Information Articles and Health Newsletter by Dr. Joseph Mercola](http://www.mercola.com/). He’s pretty good too. To support brain function and nervous system, I’d recommend a Vitamin B-50 complex and a Choline & Inositol (250mg/250mg) supplement. It is the Linoleic Acid (LA), an omega-6, that makes your hair oily. You probably get enough omega-6s in your diet. Don’t confuse it with Lenolenic Acid. Alpha Lenolenic Acid (ALA) is an omega-3. You probably don’t get enough omega-3s. Your body converts ALA to EPA, DHA which you can get directly from fish oils. Gamma Lenolenic Acid (GLA) is the rare omega-6 that you may not get enough of. ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 5:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nutrition-and-supplements/30421/23 "2009-07-10T05:15:53Z")
We’re on the same page about the pituitary thing Warren. My doctors are exasperating the crap out of me though so many years of medical school and I keep getting the i dunno. Not one prolactin test or scan to see if its neuro. I’ll check out that magazine you mentioned. Perhaps I should wear some mx335 or mx 300 and stomp in there like Oi! endocrinologist NOW! I need to work on that assertiveness issue of mine. I’ll give the pregnalone a go. I also look younger than my age in most cases people still think I’m a teen or early teen. I have to get a new Id next week actually all the o.O that’s a fake id from bouncers,smoke shops and liquor stores here. On the upshot I look younger than I did at 20. And I’ve quit smoking. Getting grilled every time I go in is a touch annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nutrition-and-supplements/30421/24 "2009-07-10T19:44:06Z")
One of the things I love about the Life Extension Foundation (LEF) is that you can order your own blood tests. They charge your credit card and snail mail you the papers you take to LabCorp. You get charged about the same amount LabCorp charges the insurance companies instead of the 500% markup if you walk in off the street or are uninsured! LabCorp sends the results to LEF who then snail mail you the results along with their reference ranges which are typically somewhat more detailed than the reference ranges LabCorp normally sends your doctor. You go to [www.lef. **org**](http://www.lef.org) click on “products” and then click on “blood tests”. Prolactin, for example, is $55 for members and $73 for non-members (DHEA $61/82). That isn’t much more than the co-pay you’d have paid your doctor. And the vampires at LabCorp never hurt as much as the doctor’s office. There are LEF health advisors, at least some of whom are MDs, that you can discuss your results with. If you get abnormal results then you go back to your doctor, shove them in his face and say, “Now, muther f\*cker, you gonna treat me or do you want a lawsuit?” After that the doctor will be extremely cooperative for years to come (or you sue him for abandonment). I hate to be so harsh about doctors – I have close family and friends in the profession – but that’s the problem with third party payers: Doctors don’t know who they work for anymore. And, no, I don’t have any financial connections with LEF. It’s just that they’ve saved my life several times over the decades when the medical profession would have killed or maimed me. So I’ve got a little attitude. Warning: So does LEF! At one time, they were the only people who’d ever sued the FDA and won. Can you just schedule an appointment with an endocrinologist yourself? In my medical plan, the co-pay is only and extra $15 if I don’t have a referral. As far as [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/), I get the best results from doctors when I wear P106. Excellent cooperation from professionals. They need to keep P106 available! > [@](#): > > My dhea-sulfate in 07 was 23.1 mcg \dl.Post menopausal is 20-190. > > I’ll give the pregnalone a go. If I am understanding those numbers correctly, your DHEA is pretty low even for an old woman. I’d combine the pregnenolone with DHEA until you find a comfortable level and then get the levels checked again. > [@](#): > > I also look younger than my age in most cases people still think I’m a teen or early teen. It sounds like you have returned to pre-puberty. You’re too young to call it menopause. ---
**Author:** ![otter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/898d66/32.png) [@otter](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/otter)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nutrition-and-supplements/30421/25 "2009-07-11T15:06:25Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > One of the things I love about the Life Extension Foundation (LEF) is that you can order your own blood tests. They charge your credit card and snail mail you the papers you take to LabCorp. You get charged about the same amount LabCorp charges the insurance companies instead of the 500% markup if you walk in off the street or are uninsured! LabCorp sends the results to LEF who then snail mail you the results along with their reference ranges which are typically somewhat more detailed than the reference ranges LabCorp normally sends your doctor. > > You go to [www.lef. **org**](http://www.lef.org) click on “products” and then click on “blood tests”. Prolactin, for example, is $55 for members and $73 for non-members (DHEA $61/82). That isn’t much more than the co-pay you’d have paid your doctor. And the vampires at LabCorp never hurt as much as the doctor’s office. There are LEF health advisors, at least some of whom are MDs, that you can discuss your results with. If you get abnormal results then you go back to your doctor, shove them in his face and say, “Now, muther f\*cker, you gonna treat me or do you want a lawsuit?” After that the doctor will be extremely cooperative for years to come (or you sue him for abandonment). I hate to be so harsh about doctors – I have close family and friends in the profession – but that’s the problem with third party payers: Doctors don’t know who they work for anymore. > > And, no, I don’t have any financial connections with LEF. It’s just that they’ve saved my life several times over the decades when the medical profession would have killed or maimed me. So I’ve got a little attitude. Warning: So does LEF! At one time, they were the only people who’d ever sued the FDA and won. > > Can you just schedule an appointment with an endocrinologist yourself? In my medical plan, the co-pay is only and extra $15 if I don’t have a referral. > > As far as pheromones, I get the best results from doctors when I wear P106. Excellent cooperation from professionals. They need to keep P106 available! > > If I am understanding those numbers correctly, your DHEA is pretty low even for an old woman. I’d combine the pregnenolone with DHEA until you find a comfortable level and then get the levels checked again. > > It sounds like you have returned to pre-puberty. You’re too young to call it menopause. As far as my experience has been most 'DRs" will work with people, i have three drs in my family…:)😛 LOL..:eek: go after the insurance company, be happy there still in practice they may not be for long… enough of this i don’t the politics… I like the info on “[lef.org](http://lef.org)”🙂 If people became more proactive,they mite have a better go of it…😃 LOL 😛 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nutrition-and-supplements/30421.md?page=1)