# ocantu journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 3:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592 "2014-04-02T03:20:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/102 "2015-08-08T15:09:19Z")
> [@von\_phero](#): > > Drop the enone or atleast seriously lower it for trying to pick up girls of your age.. Compare what happened here to last week and one spray of TAC? You should be using your mx297 more in this situation or make a mix of your tac shine and honesty.. Use your actions to create sexual tension or persume your natural enone will .. What pheros you got these days anyways? Worth a try Von. Im thinking of trying celery again for a whole week with warm showers lol I was doing cold showers and I think it makes a difference in your results. I was thinking celery for daygame and celery+Ammo 1 spray at night? I think that worked for me in a Dallas night club Just got a bottle of shine and of course tac 5mcg plus all my pheros in my signature below ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 7:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/103 "2015-08-24T19:22:22Z")
Went simple twice last week with 1 spray ammo. Went to the pool hall thursday night with 1 spray ammo to my neck and I saw this caucasion girl I see regularly. Ive been wanting to talk to her and I finally made a move. She was very nice to me and she gave me sexy eye contact while I challenged her to a game, she was assisting in our conversation alot and hinting at me to ask her out. I asked if I can take her out for a drink sometime and she said yes, although she never replied to my text. She has just got out of a relationship. I can tell she was attracted to me though. Went to the bars with my friend saturday night with 1 spray ammo and I got hits. Everything was subtle at first, but as I got some drinks in me and started having fun, thats when it picked up. First bar as we were leaving some hot latinas said bye as we left haha didnt expect that. second bar some decent drunk lady told me im cute out of the blue. Me and my buddy played pool with these girls and when i was on the 8 ball, this girl was talking about grabbing my male parts to distract me šŸ˜ƒ we ended up sitting and talking to these 2 girls at a 24 hour mexican restaurant. They made it easy for us, but I was just being wingman to my buddy.He ended up with the girls number. Ammo is better at night thats for sure, quite subtle though but i think I will stick to it solo for now on as I have been meaning to retire from so much [pheromone](https://a314.com/) use and rely on 1 product for a slight edge to my game. ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/104 "2015-08-27T01:56:43Z")
Dude something is happening with my natural mones lately. Last week 2 weeks been eating 1-2 bundles of celery and a little bit of canned oysters and this week Iā€™m noticing hits! School started and one older Hispanic lady just couldnā€™t help but smile at even though I was poorly dressed. Today went to cvs pharmacy and this black girl smiled and told me she liked my name haha it seemed like flirting to me. Went to school and one Latina stared at me and another Latina smiled at me at the snack bar. Just got back from a convenience store and this chick behind me removed something from my back with ā€œlet me get this off youā€ and rubbed my back haha Could be my imagination guys but Iā€™m going to record what Iā€™ve been doing 1. Eating 1-2 bundles of celery 5 days a week 2. Started deadlifting at the gym, it boost testosterone supposedly 3. 7 day cycle of nofap. Currently 3 days fap free. Testosterone raises high and peaks @ 7 days then drops 4. Cold showers. Also raises testosterone 5. Added oysters to diet. Looked at casanovas diet and heat ate 50 oysters a day 6. Use a little bit of magnetic body wash 7. Been reading models by mark Manson and itā€™s all about inner game. He claims once he fixed his inner game, women just started to pay much more attention to him like pheromones. I recommend everybody read this book, it is changing me. Since I started this book Iā€™ve been getting these hits. 8. Have not used synthetics since saturday 9. Eating more healthy fats (Avacado) 10. Been taking Monster-mass weight gainer ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 8:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/105 "2015-08-31T08:27:23Z")
I can attest that your diet is important when I smash my supplimented smoothies daily you radiate a healthy aura which people pick up on.. Have you looked into attract rx? I havenā€™t used it but it could be easier and cheaper than oysters.. Also why not try the not showering everyday route you could just rely on your own secretions.. Lol.. Nice report ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 12:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/106 "2015-08-31T12:26:13Z")
> [@von\_phero](#): > > I can attest that your diet is important when I smash my supplimented smoothies daily you radiate a healthy aura which people pick up on.. Have you looked into attract rx? I havenā€™t used it but it could be easier and cheaper than oysters.. Also why not try the not showering everyday route you could just rely on your own secretions.. Lol.. Nice report Good suggestions, worth a try. Went out to some bars with my buddy with 1 spray of regular ammo on my neck more like 2 as earlier in the day I sprayed some on. Didnt get much at all, my buddy approached these girls and they were very receptive to us. The girl I was talking to was freaking hot lol (Half latina, half white) she started off neutral with me, but she started slowly warming up to me. She was touching my tattoos quite a few times and as the night came to an end, I put my hand on her back and she lowered her hand and it barely touched my manly parts šŸ˜ƒ I guess this counts as a hit, wish i would have grabbed her number. Ammo is very subtle, got to realize its more useful when I Talk to girls and Dress Nice (I wasnt this time). It wont get girls just staring at me or jump on me, I must initiate contact first. Her and her friends called me a ā€œNice guyā€ though lol didnt like that at all. ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 12:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/107 "2015-09-01T12:50:41Z")
Ate 2 bundles of celery with a can of oysters sunday and went to gamestop on monday and this guy in line immediately wanted to talk to me. He was like ā€œwhats up manā€ in an hyper mood haha didnt know him, but it seemed like a phero hit somewhat. It feels like people want to talk to me more. Went to school afterword and this white girl was waiting for her ride when she saw me. She was looking at me with a smile. She did that twice and as I got close she looked at her phone haha maybe she was shy. Celery works or maybe the oysters i dont know. Oysters are high in zinc alright, i can taste the metal in my mouth that is a side effect of taking zinc. Zinc is a powerful testosterone booster wich would explain the hits as well. I know a guy who takes steroids (the most powerful testosterone booster) and he is a chick magnet. This guy has no job, no car, and a criminal record but women flock to him and he is also buff. testosterone certainly helps. ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 10:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/108 "2015-09-05T22:50:33Z")
Massive hits last night! It was my birthday so my buddy wanted to hang out. He texted the same two girls we met in my last report. They were not interested at first but my buddy got a surprise call from them to meet them at the nightclub. I wore 1 spray instant shine to my hair, 1 spray ammo to my neck. Told my buddy about pheromones and I told him Iā€™ve got to spray ammo on him and he obliged. Glad I did cause it enhanced him a lot. I also have been keeping up with my daily celery, I ate 1 bundle @ lunch time, oysters have been giving me bad side effects like weird vivid dreams and depression I think it was too much zinc. The girls show up and right off the bat they are receptive as fuck. The half Latina half white girl that I met last time was waaaay more into me than last time. I didnā€™t say much at all I just started putting my arm around her waist and she put her arms around me. I ended making out with her all night long and she kept grinding her booty on my cock ALOT! She could not get enough of me lol dang and weā€™ve barely met. My buddy also made out with his girl a lot lol We moved to another venue and while we were in my buddies truck she laid her head in my lap begging me to kiss her. We were drunk haha Got her number. Couldnā€™t pull because they left. Ammo seemed to enhance the attraction they already had for us. Besides that I didnā€™t notice any other women check me out or anything lol just this one girl. I did get an extra spray of ammo for me and my buddy. So I ended up with 1 spray shine 2 sprays ammo. Got a gift certificate for my birthday, looking at getting cttm2 see if itā€™s any good. ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/109 "2015-09-18T18:39:45Z")
Have tried CTTM2 this week at school. Tried 1 spray and got nothing, tried 2 sprays the next day and the same. Hmmm I admit I was anti-social though. ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/110 "2015-09-23T20:16:34Z")
Forgot to post. Went out last saturday with 3 sprays Mx297 to a few bars. I was drinking trying to have fun, but didnt get anything out of the ordinary. Although this may count. I approached these two set group of girls who by the way had big rocks on their fingers aka married. At first they were ready to blow me the hell out lol but I apologized for calling them ā€œhotā€ because they didnt like it, they said it was disrespectful lol. My friend dared me to say ā€œMy friend told me to come and talk to the hottest girls here.ā€ There faces were like saying ā€œfuck-off.ā€ I told them look im sorry to bother you ladies Ill go if you want. They quickly changed the subject and wanted to keep talking to me. They told me I can sit down if I want. They asked were my friend was at and I pointed to him and he came over and assisted. The girls were asking me questions. One of the girls kept asking over and over again what I do lol. I would not give her a direct answer, but when I told her finally she just shut down on me wtf. I really didnt like talking to married chicks and I told my buddy lets get out of here. I dont know if this was a hit, but I didnt feel like the life of the party and I was ignored by everyone else. I guess on moving on to TAC+Shine and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/111 "2015-09-23T21:17:17Z")
I have found also that when you are very healthy and feel good you tend to get more hits without doing nothing else. I know natural pheromones are tied into your diet and hormone production. Often over looked to is immune system. There are documents out there linking the immune system to pheromone and hormone production. I am not scientist by any means but once I started getting healthier overall I noticed more women would talk to me and hit on me. I honestly think the most important start is just being healthy. For me this is a lifestyle especially with pheromones. As far as Attract RX if you research enough you can find the ingredients that are in it. I know is had tribulis, ammino acids, gaba, and colostrum and not sure what else. The approach is hormone, immune, and mood support as these are tied to pheromone production. ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/112 "2015-09-23T21:29:21Z")
Have you tried just sticking yourself amongst girls on the dance floor and letting them congregate around you? That way girls that are interested can make it obvious they are interested and invite you to initiate. I have always been told and have learnt you should let it come to you.. I would never do what a friend dares when it comes to chicks you have your own initiative to develop. O I donā€™t think mx297 goes down great with the older crowd anyway it does sound like a salvaged hit from an awkward approach.. They want their erone and enoneā€¦ Generally forms of electronic music, like house garners a good pool of fish to dangle yourself in. What are your dance moves like? Also have you used up all your io? I would be using that up if I were you.. I did tac+shine this weekend and although it was good it wasnā€™t great.. It needs that p130.. Maybe use a little ih instead. ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 1:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/113 "2015-09-24T13:45:51Z")
> [@von\_phero](#): > > Have you tried just sticking yourself amongst girls on the dance floor and letting them congregate around you? That way girls that are interested can make it obvious they are interested and invite you to initiate. I have always been told and have learnt you should let it come to you.. I would never do what a friend dares when it comes to chicks you have your own initiative to develop. O I donā€™t think mx297 goes down great with the older crowd anyway it does sound like a salvaged hit from an awkward approach.. They want their erone and enoneā€¦ Generally forms of electronic music, like house garners a good pool of fish to dangle yourself in. What are your dance moves like? Also have you used up all your io? I would be using that up if I were you.. I did tac+shine this weekend and although it was good it wasnā€™t great.. It needs that p130.. Maybe use a little ih instead. Yeah I dance poorly haha. I have used IO but I have felt it makes me talk to much lol. is IO great for approaching Von? Does IH have [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/) in it? ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 12:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/114 "2015-09-25T00:37:10Z")
No ih is a blend of beta and alpha androstenol + steering. I consider p130 a bit of a social so was suggesting Io or ih as that part of the mix TAC + shine is missing. If the socials effect you too much maybe put them on the back of your neck or wrists.. Io and ih would be good for approaching yes as they are inviting and comforting. Also it will get them talking back to youā€¦ I specialize in Dad dance moves, been at it for over decade now.. Iā€™m just describing what works best for me but " approaching " girls has never worked for me.. I simply just make an effort to meet and talk to people in my vicinity as I bumble about.. ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 1:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/115 "2015-09-25T13:34:57Z")
> [@von\_phero](#): > > No ih is a blend of beta and alpha androstenol + steering. I consider p130 a bit of a social so was suggesting Io or ih as that part of the mix TAC + shine is missing. If the socials effect you too much maybe put them on the back of your neck or wrists.. Io and ih would be good for approaching yes as they are inviting and comforting. Also it will get them talking back to youā€¦ I specialize in Dad dance moves, been at it for over decade now.. Iā€™m just describing what works best for me but " approaching " girls has never worked for me.. I simply just make an effort to meet and talk to people in my vicinity as I bumble about.. ok worth a shot. So Ill start with 2 sprays TAC (10mcg) to inside of wrist, 2 sprays [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) to my hair, 1 Spray IO to back of wrist, 1 Spray IH to back of wrist the next time I get out. Been broke lately and havent been able to get P130. What mcgā€™s do you get for p130 von and what does p130 do anyway? ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 2:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/116 "2015-09-26T14:23:07Z")
With what youā€™ve got I would go with a mix like 5 mcg tac 1 spray shine 1 spray ih or Io Donā€™t get hung up on p130 you have plenty of good pheros to play with. I use it at 5-10mcg and like to pair it with shineā€¦ Its care free, anti anxiety, slightly dis inhibiting, opens up younger ages, has a male helper vibe and lasts for ages.. It can be quite subtle and has no negatives at reasonable doses, that I have noticed. Covered it a lot in my journals. ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 8:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/117 "2015-09-30T20:51:19Z")
Forgot to post. Went out last saturday with 1 spray IH to back of wrist, 1 spray 5mcg TAC, 1 spray IS to wrist and didnt have a good night at all. I dont know if it was the supermoon or what but I woke up feeling unusually blue, I was not in the mood to go out but my buddy insisted. I didnt do any approaches and was not being social at all at a birthday party I went to. There were no single girls there at all. ended up at a bar with my buddy later on and same shit. I got a little to drunk and me and my buddy had an uneasy conversation, I think i may have offended him and I also shouldnt have said some things to him that I regret. I suspect the alchol plus IH effected me and things went dark on me. I feel I need a break from the night life. ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 10:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/118 "2015-09-30T22:34:48Z")
Oh dear well I wouldnā€™t blame the mix. Without displaying attractive behaviour in front of single women your goal of picking up is not going to happen. Pheromones are just a tool. Where and how you use them you have to decide. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 1:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/119 "2015-10-03T13:53:05Z")
IH can be your best friend and your worse enemy. If you put IH on your wrist and spend the night lifting your hand near your face to drink at a bar, youā€™re in for serious self-effects šŸ™‚ . I have been betrayed that way once with IH on my hand too. I have this habit of often grabbing up my chin between thumb and forefinger, especially when Iā€™m thinking hard while talking or listening to someone. So the IH self-attack can be quite direct and intenseā€¦ and unwanted. Since then, I found out that the outside of the elbow is the best place to diffuse and avoid selfies. This makes people spill the beans around me and allows me to keep a cool head on what I choose to say. This way, I can even wear a double or triple dose with little to no effect on myself. ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 1:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592/120 "2015-10-04T01:54:03Z")
> [@Conjurator](#): > > IH can be your best friend and your worse enemy. If you put IH on your wrist and spend the night lifting your hand near your face to drink at a bar, youā€™re in for serious self-effects šŸ™‚ . > > I have been betrayed that way once with IH on my hand too. I have this habit of often grabbing up my chin between thumb and forefinger, especially when Iā€™m thinking hard while talking or listening to someone. So the IH self-attack can be quite direct and intenseā€¦ and unwanted. > > Since then, I found out that the outside of the elbow is the best place to diffuse and avoid selfies. This makes people spill the beans around me and allows me to keep a cool head on what I choose to say. This way, I can even wear a double or triple dose with little to no effect on myself. good call man i touch my goatee all the time lol i really think IH made me say things i didnt want to say. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ocantu-journal/61592.md?page=5)