# Odd Results??...App. spots...Self Effect vs. Others?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 30, 2007, 7:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/odd-results-app-spots-self-effect-vs-others/3897 "2007-05-30T07:06:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 7:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/odd-results-app-spots-self-effect-vs-others/3897/1 "2007-05-30T07:06:33Z")
Okay, so I really am confused by the results I’ve been experiencing lately - or should I say LACK THERE OF?? I’ve been wearing only on the back of my neck for the past few weeks. I was using LS product before and thought maybe it’s just that they weren’t as effective. But even with Ammo lately, I can’t see the effects as I once did. So it’s led me to wonder… On the back of my neck, the [pheromones](https://a314.com/) don’t effect me nearly as much. So I feel like a lot of that times back then I misinterpreted things and because I was effected by the pheromones that I ‘thought I was seeing positive or negative reactions’ or something like that. So now that I can see clearly, I can’t seem to see any of that. Part of me is starting to lose faith in pheromones. But then again, I couldn’t have just been seeing things, because some of the stuff that happened is undeniable. Like, girls that I don’t know grabbing my ass in the grocery store (for example)…there’s no way in hell that would happen without pheromones because I have no ass, lol. I don’t write about everything that happened when I was wearing a lot pheromones, but some crazy stuff happened that definitely was the cause of pheromones. Now I’m wondering…when you wear on the back of you neck, could it be that it doesn’t register as well with girls that the signal is coming from me? Like is the back of the neck a sketchy place that just diffuses the pheromones in the air without pinpointing them on a particular person? Because today I put on 6 sprays of Ammo and noticed nothing! Of course both times I also added 2 sprays of CTTM. In the morning my coworkers and I couldn’t stop laughing/talking. But later on, I don’t notice anything. Either CTTM overbears Ammo’s sexual effect, or there’s just something about wearing on the chest that is much more effective than on the back. Anyone wear pheromones solely on their back with success? Because it really makes me wonder when I wear to my chest how much is it the effects on myself and how much is it effecting others? Has it been so ineffective all along…it just can’t be…because wearing to my neck or chest seems like it’s been killer effective. Or maybe I’m just not wearing enough, who knows. ---
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 7:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/odd-results-app-spots-self-effect-vs-others/3897/2 "2007-05-30T07:08:25Z")
By the way when I mention “pheromones” I’m talking androstenone. That’s my anti-drug. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 9:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/odd-results-app-spots-self-effect-vs-others/3897/3 "2007-05-30T09:01:12Z")
Maybe on the back of your neck it really cant mix with your own mone signature making it seem out of place on you. With the womens products and the unisex products I find my best results when i spray where I produce my own mones. Did you try using less product? I cant really say for the mens products but 6 sprays seems like alot for ammo. It could also be the OD effect. I have made the mistake plenty of times thinking wow 3 sprays works so great I will add a few more and it will be even better but mones dont work that way. Sometimes to much is not as good as a little. If the mix of both products dont work with you think back to what did work and revisit that. See if you can get that ass grabbing effect again. Once you do thats your sweet spot. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 12:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/odd-results-app-spots-self-effect-vs-others/3897/4 "2007-05-30T12:50:17Z")
6 sprays of ammo on a 22 year old is a lot, particularly if you only use soap and water to remove. try using less and using ozone and nioxin to remove. also you’ll get better results not watching for hits and just living your life - too much vigilance can get in the way. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 12:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/odd-results-app-spots-self-effect-vs-others/3897/5 "2007-05-30T12:58:52Z")
have u tried the Edge or NPA? or pheroproof? if u want exaggerated hits to see ur mones working u should give those a try. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 2:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/odd-results-app-spots-self-effect-vs-others/3897/6 "2007-05-30T14:30:22Z")
> [@smoothplayer](#): > > … > > Now I’m wondering…when you wear on the back of you neck, could it be that it doesn’t register as well with girls that the signal is coming from me? Like is the back of the neck a sketchy place that just diffuses the pheromones in the air without pinpointing them on a particular person? > … > > Either CTTM overbears Ammo’s sexual effect, or there’s just something about wearing on the chest that is much more effective than on the back. > Anyone wear pheromones solely on their back with success? Because it really makes me wonder when I wear to my chest how much is it the effects on myself and how much is it effecting others? Has it been so ineffective all along…it just can’t be…because wearing to my neck or chest seems like it’s been killer effective… When I spray Spaceland and [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) 4x to the back of my neck _only_, I get results that are more subtle. I think part of it is that most people do not come and stand directly behind you unless you are in the SRO section of some event. Our targets, and our visual attention, are directly in front of us, and so that also changes our perception of what is or is not a response. For example: is a group of people singing in a bar a response to pheros? Sometimes. But if you notice people’s facial expressions changing over time as they’re exposed to your androstenol application, and then they burst into song – if you notice that sequence, you’ll see it as the hit that it is. If not, you’ll be wondering whether your pheros got sucked into the ventilation system. Finally, I don’t know how many of the people you are looking for signals/response from have been exposed to you on pheros before. Because, I am 100 percent certain that people adapt their responses. For example: a co-worker became very talkative and self-revealing the first time we worked together; he had a classic, slightly manic response to Spaceland (with A314.) I have no doubt he went home, and asked himself “what the hell got into me?” and made a firm resolve to be more discreet in the future. Over the next month, as we worked together, I could see him consciously suppress verbal responses – although his body language was in conflict. (A casual observer at that point might objectively have discounted the idea that there was any phero-influence at all.) The story doesn’t end there, though. The effect of pheros can be insidious, heh! After a month of willful verbal suppression, he had decided that he’d “gotten back in control” – and then he was able to **freely choose** to bring up topics that he’d previously clamped down on responding to. My hypothesis, though, is that the androstenol “pressure” to talk built over time, more or less relentlessly. His response to the pheros was muted, transformed, delayed … but still clear. (He hated his job, and we found several paths / options for him to explore; he’s making more money in less time and he smiles more often now.) People **will adapt** their responses to your phero-influence, mostly. If you expect only the same response, I think you will be disappointed. Some few people don’t self-monitor, and they may respond the fifth or fiftieth time in the same way they responded the first – these are an exception to the rule. Of course, someone can be ill or tired or suffering whatever condition that so dampens their response that it’s not noticeable, but those situations are ‘one-off’ exceptions. So: most people are socially self-conscious. Adaptation does not equate to ‘no response’ – the adaptation, in many ways, is even more specific evidence of a response … if there was nothing to adapt to, it wouldn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 5:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/odd-results-app-spots-self-effect-vs-others/3897/7 "2007-05-31T05:12:00Z")
**WOW!** The difference is unbelievable! @#\*$!! I put on a drop of NPA on the back of my neck again this morning, and went out. Didn’t notice much of anything like the past few weeks. So anyway I got home around like 11am and did 1 spray of Ammo to my chest. Oh my. After this I became a female magnet for the rest of the day. I think I was in OD territory, but it just was unbelievable. And then again, OD territory is just another way to say that the results were so intense that they were almost too much to handle. > [@tisha23](#): > > Maybe on the back of your neck it really cant mix with your own pheromone signature making it seem out of place on you. With the womens products and the unisex products I find my best results when i spray where I produce my own pheromones. > > Did you try using less product? I cant really say for the mens products but 6 sprays seems like alot for ammo. It could also be the OD effect. I have made the mistake plenty of times thinking wow 3 sprays works so great I will add a few more and it will be even better but pheromones dont work that way. Sometimes to much is not as good as a little. > > If the mix of both products dont work with you think back to what did work and revisit that. See if you can get that ass grabbing effect again. Once you do thats your sweet spot. > > Tisha Wow, there has got to be some truth to this.. 😮 I can’t believe the difference. It’s like the spray to my chest just changed everything. Of course I felt a little affected by it myself, but it was just like whoa. I am honestly just shocked how different it was in contrast to wearing it on the back of my neck. … > [@MarkL](#): > > When I spray Spaceland and Instant Honesty 4x to the back of my neck _only_, I get results that are more subtle. I think part of it is that most people do not come and stand directly behind you unless you are in the SRO section of some event. Our targets, and our visual attention, are directly in front of us, and so that also changes our perception of what is or is not a response. Hmm, good point as well, but I think this experience overall has changed my thoughts on application spots… Maybe when I spray the Ammo on my chest it hits my nipples, which are naturally [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/)-producing areas. Whatever it was it was freaking strange how much different it was. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 7:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/odd-results-app-spots-self-effect-vs-others/3897/8 "2007-05-31T07:21:40Z")
The chest really is a great area for many. Most people use the back of the neck is best for pheros that affect them negatively, since pheromones really don’t seem to reach your own nose very much when applied there. It’s also said that women produce most of their pheromones from a gland in this area, thus one of the reasons for the infamous “hair flipping” ritual to attract men. Maybe it’s a better area for women than men due to our habits? You were also probably affected by the androstenone hitting you harder. A lot of guys notice more IOIs when their confidence goes up, and from what I can tell androstenone definitely makes you feel like you’re gods gift to women! 🙂 Haha… have you read perronec’s new post about [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/)? Besides male habits, is there anything else that would block pheromones from dispersing cleanly from the back of your neck? Long hair? Big collars? A bad case of “Too Furry” neck"? ---
**Author:** ![mindset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mindset](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mindset)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 9:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/odd-results-app-spots-self-effect-vs-others/3897/9 "2007-05-31T09:46:19Z")
Whenever I wear -none applied to the back of the neck, it still effects me strongly. The same goes for any other pheromone that I apply there. When you mean the back of the neck, do you mean closer to your hair, or closer to your shoulders? I spray it in mid-range, yet it still effects me. I’m going to try the infamous “pit-trick” for anything with high -none content. I’m guessing that being I’m 24, my -none production is already high, not to mention the A314 application/build-up. A314 is HEAVEN. 🙂