# Official "UF Test pack" report thread! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 4, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380 "2010-09-04T18:45:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ioncell](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ioncell/32/1844_2.png) [@ioncell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ioncell)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/21 "2010-09-05T00:16:21Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > You bought it for over 150$ ? šŸ˜® > Well, no one has even tested any of the mixes yet, and I already have 10+ posts here, lol It is not about the post count. Nor the price. but the Instant line became more familiar in its feel and effects. The unknown territory is more appealing. or is it ?šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 12:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/22 "2010-09-05T00:17:53Z")
Heā€™s got a good point. Iā€™m hoping that the newer members realize that. And hoard, say it sucks, never report/use again and it would have been a waste ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 12:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/23 "2010-09-05T00:19:30Z")
> [@ioncell](#): > > It is not about the post count. > Nor the price. > > but the Instant line became more familiar in its feel and effects. > The unknown territory is more appealing. or is it ?šŸ˜ƒ It always is, manā€™s curiosity is always going to get the better of everyone involved. ---
**Author:** ![ioncell](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ioncell/32/1844_2.png) [@ioncell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ioncell)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/24 "2010-09-05T00:25:56Z")
> [@Olfact\_Amorous](#): > > Perhaps from a newbieā€™s point of view they feel that their getting ā€œmoreā€ and you know how more of everything is always better šŸ™„ 25 mLs in 5 bottles > vs 1 bottle of 10 mL. From a newbie point of view , It feels like a rude comment šŸ˜› however there are still 38 available of Project UF if your wallet is deep enough šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 12:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/25 "2010-09-05T00:46:07Z")
> [@ioncell](#): > > From a newbie point of view , It feels like a rude comment šŸ˜› > however there are still 38 available of Project UF if your wallet is deep enough šŸ˜ƒ Well to be totally honest everyone I went to school with had deep pockets. Iā€™m probably the poorest church mouse compared to any of them. One of my good friends has 2 cars full insurance coverage and Cellphone paid by parents. Heā€™s never had a job outside of working for his Dad and he gets paid Tax free. His parents even bought him a townhouse near to the school so he didnā€™t have to be in a dorm. If a 16-18 year old can find money to buy wendyā€™s and mcdonalds at 5-6 bucks a go 4 times a month and still have money to see a movie every other week and money to buy gas as well then I donā€™t see how they canā€™t squeeze out 109 dollars for a bottle of something that will last 6 months. Even the poorest kids I know that work get at least 200 a week. Theres no excuse in this country. If you go to china and compare their money to ours many people over there canā€™t even afford to buy a pair of Nike sneakers with their peasant like wages. I just dont understand how people are willing to buy fast food/ starbucks without a second thought spending anywhere from 4-10 dollars constantly yet when it comes to something like 109 dollars for a cologne that can aid them socially/professionally/sexually they whine about it. ---
**Author:** ![ioncell](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ioncell/32/1844_2.png) [@ioncell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ioncell)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 1:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/26 "2010-09-05T01:12:27Z")
> [@Olfact\_Amorous](#): > > I just dont understand how people are willing to buy fast food/ starbucks without a second thought spending anywhere from 4-10 dollars constantly yet when it comes to something like 109 dollars for a cologne that can aid them socially/professionally/sexually they whine about it. Thanks 'nuff said,well done Lets calculate how much is needed to reach a ā€œproā€ status in understanding and mixing phermones. lets say (without shipping)instant line+A314 initially :approximately 319$ The putatives needs specific concentration lets say 10mcg to reach satisfactory levels taking p51mustang as reference (P75, P76, P77, P78, [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), P86, P93, P96) each 41$ \>\> 328$ Add mixes and Experimones reaching 12 (excluding highly priced molecules) \>\> 480$ The Total= 1127$ without shipping These phermones when used continously it may be depleted within 2-3 months depending on your usage. not mentioning the ā€œnew formulasā€ and natural ODing of newly discovered products. That is more than 300$ a month šŸ˜®,not whining about it because it worths every penny.šŸ˜› Peace out ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/27 "2010-09-05T01:20:21Z")
> [@Olfact\_Amorous](#): > > Well to be totally honest everyone I went to school with had deep pockets. Iā€™m probably the poorest church mouse compared to any of them. One of my good friends has 2 cars full insurance coverage and Cellphone paid by parents. Heā€™s never had a job outside of working for his Dad and he gets paid Tax free. His parents even bought him a townhouse near to the school so he didnā€™t have to be in a dorm. > > If a 16-18 year old can find money to buy wendyā€™s and mcdonalds at 5-6 bucks a go 4 times a month and still have money to see a movie every other week and money to buy gas as well then I donā€™t see how they canā€™t squeeze out 109 dollars for a bottle of something that will last 6 months. Even the poorest kids I know that work get at least 200 a week. Theres no excuse in this country. If you go to china and compare their money to ours many people over there canā€™t even afford to buy a pair of Nike sneakers with their peasant like wages. > > **I just dont understand how people are willing to buy fast food/ starbucks without a second thought spending anywhere from 4-10 dollars constantly yet when it comes to something like 109 dollars for a cologne that can aid them socially/professionally/sexually they whine about it**. Screwed up priorities I would say. Is 109 bucks a bit much for cologne? Yup. But is A314 typical of cologne? Hell no. Iā€™ve gotten more hits, subtle or obvious from A314 than I have with my $50 Calvin Klein cologne. As for the UF test pack, I am still a noob so I wonā€™t go dumping my money on a product when Iā€™m not experienced enough with testing to make it worthwhile. I say leave it for those that can properly test and report. ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 1:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/28 "2010-09-05T01:28:12Z")
You still have to take it one step at a time. You donā€™t need all of those putatives to get good results. Heck theres users on here whoā€™ve been through all the putatives and back yet lots of the time they still go back to A314 and the instant line and maybe 1-3 odd putatives. Unless you use a putative religiously like every day every time you go out it wonā€™t run out that fast. Other than [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and A-1 I can certainly live without all the other crap. the molecules contained in the instant line and the use of A314 is enough to make me happy forever in terms of enhanced social reaction with men and women. But as humans we always want more and explore more out of curiosity so thats why I end up using my cash on this ā€œotherā€ stuff. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 2:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/29 "2010-09-05T02:29:58Z")
> [@ioncell](#): > > Thanks > 'nuff said,well done > > Lets calculate how much is needed to reach a ā€œproā€ status in understanding and mixing phermones. > > lets say (without shipping)instant line+A314 initially :approximately 319$ > The putatives needs specific concentration lets say 10mcg to reach satisfactory levels > taking p51mustang as reference (P75, P76, P77, P78, P83, P86, P93, P96) each 41$ \>\> 328$ > Add mixes and Experimones reaching 12 (excluding highly priced molecules) > \>\> 480$ > > The Total= 1127$ without shipping > These phermones when used continously it may be depleted within 2-3 months depending on your usage. > not mentioning the ā€œnew formulasā€ and natural ODing of newly discovered products. > > That is more than 300$ a month ,not whining about it because it worths every penny. > > Peace out Allow me to say this and please take no offense as I mean no personal attack butā€¦excrement. The main consumer line products aimed at men can be purchased in to-go sized bottle for less than 75 dollars not including S&H. Now if somebody follows Steves advice for sweet spot testing (3 days on 2 days off) with each product theyā€™ll use 6 of the 40 sprays in 5 days (assuming they refresh once per day), then 12 within the next 5 days, 18 sprays in the next 5 day cycle. Thatā€™s 36 of the 40 sprays in a 15 day period, they can then go balls out and use the remaining 4 sprays on the last day (for MOST people you will have ODā€™d at 4 sprays of almost anything.). This means it will take over a month to test just two products. So if a guy goes through Instant Jerk, Instant Openness, Ammo, Instant Shine, Instant Honesty, Turn Up The Heat, and [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) following those instructions then his 75 bucks will last him three and half months! That comes to a pockect draining 21 bucks a month. Then thereā€™s the experimone series (pure isolated molecules with no buffers or steering agents involved) You have your basics None Rone A-nol B-nol Then you can play around With TAA TAC TAK Now I confess these are a TAD bit more expensive but you can get 7 bottles of of the above listed mones for $196 and test them over the next three and a half months which breaks down to 56 bucks a month Combined with your expenses on the instant/consumer line (not including A314) youā€™ve spent an average of $38.71 dollars a month. Keep in mind this is NOT including the 25 dollar gift certificate for new members that post in the intro section, nor does it factor in reward points for purchases. OK so you think you have the basics down and want to really go deep into this stuff and start testing the putativesā€¦ohhh fun. There are prepacks of two putative series, the P70 series and the P90 series (sadly no P80 test pack hint hint) since by now youā€™d definately have RU status and deservedly so you can get them both for $89.94. Now thatā€™s 12 bottles so sweet spot testing/reporting would take 6 months for thatā€¦14.99 a month average cost. Or to put it in a more long term perspective $27.76 per month ove 13 months. Hell by that point youā€™d probably not only be able to tell whatā€™s in any and every MX you try (and possibly even in what ratioā€™s) but youā€™ll have honed your social intelligence and ability to read peopleā€™s tonality, facial expressions and body language better than most PUAā€™s, Poker Players and FBI Interrogators. Not bad for less than 30 bucks a month for just over a year. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 2:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/30 "2010-09-05T02:38:09Z")
Radmans correct and so is olfact. For me specifically I bought the test pack, I tested it religiously then started buying more. I spent about $1100 worth of [pheromones](https://a314.com/), but with points and other stuff its still under $1000, and you see my sig, I have all the stuff. You really donā€™t need to do putatives imo, the instant line is sufficient. If you have the want and inclination to really really customize then do it. For me I can live with just A314 IS and IH, for me at least. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/31 "2010-09-05T02:48:09Z")
Exactly, Iā€™m FAR from being an expertā€¦hell I have to confess I havenā€™t even tested all the products Iā€™ve listed above. I like to try new stuff once in a while but for the most part I can be more than happy with A314, and either Ammo or MX301 and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). For the most part these products are my base mix as Iā€™m not out to become a phero guru that knows the intricacies of every molecule under the sun. Iā€™m using a product/combination of products that make my life better. Along the way I experiment and learn what I can, when I can because for me this has become a very fun hobby and not near as expensive as some might assume. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 2:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/32 "2010-09-05T02:51:57Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > You bought it for over 150$ ? šŸ˜® > Well, no one has even tested any of the mixes yet, and I already have 10+ posts here, lol Itā€™s not $150. Itā€™s $57.85, you could get almost 3 for $150! šŸ™‚ We donā€™t expect even one person to order it at $150. Thatā€™s just to make sure people who donā€™t report on mixes donā€™t buy them. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 3:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/33 "2010-09-05T03:00:31Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > I donā€™t get it. And this is not directed to you. But I see the new people on the forum interested in Project UF @150 bucks, but at the same token you have people complaining about A314 @ $109. > > Thatā€™s aside from the RUā€™s out here. Yeah, thatā€™s sort of funny. To be perfectly honest, though, we donā€™t expect anybody to pay $150 for UF or anything. Itā€™s just there to make sure non-reporting users donā€™t buy it. We need money to operate, sure, but if we didnā€™t have to pay money for our own supplies and to live day to day, weā€™d easily take feedback as the only source of currency. When you have good products, thereā€™s other ways to make money. Also, I think the people who complain about A314 @ $109 or $129 are mostly the reporting users, the very ones we want to be treat the bestā€¦ so I donā€™t mind their feedback in that sense. Iā€™m very carefully considering the context in this part, who itā€™s coming from. Regular consumers donā€™t seem to care, rather itā€™s the people who we should be giving special privileges to who care. The people who give us what we really want: feedback. We do need to treat them best. Itā€™s only fair. While our best people can always call it and get a better price or a bundle deal, I know some have more of an online ordering preference. Weā€™ll work on making sure they get a better price on A314 when we have the new [Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) Detective Squad levels in the new cart. Good? šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 3:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/34 "2010-09-05T03:09:28Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Iā€™m picking it up, but I just donā€™t think you need a heavy -none mix to get laid. Iā€™ve tested and tested and Iā€™ve gotten laid/hooked up with high quality girls without any -none. Some were with AMMO and some completely different. Actually the only constant was A314. If youā€™ve got balls, youā€™re going to arouse them regardless. > > My whole point that -none isnā€™t the end all be all for attraction. I think too much creedence is given to -none and the rest of the molecules gets ignore. Does it have its place? Yea. Would others work as effective, absolutely. In fact I test out IJ on a regular basis but that doesnā€™t mean that IH and A314 canā€™t do the same job as TUTH. It can and it has IME. Youā€™re exactly right, however people are not just looking for help with women. Many of the gentle products and mixes would help with that all day long, if only Joe Normal would put a little effort into noticing womenā€™s actual responses. Women IOI to _tons_ of things. Instead, new users are often looking for the unrealistic expectations about pheromones they get from movies like ā€œOceans 13ā€. Thatā€™s why they buy things like Pherlure. Thatā€™s _exactly_ what they promise, although obviously donā€™t deliver. Itā€™s a fraud. Now can we, as people who have some semblance of reality, deliver some of those eerie sex crazed IOIs? Well, yeah, kinda. For anything remotely close to ā€œThe Gilroy Patchā€, heavy androstenone with some modifiers is the easiest route to obvious, almost eerie IOIs. If I was a guy, Iā€™d prefer some Shine for flitty girls or some A314 for the more serious girls. Simple stuff, but the IOIs are dead obvious to _me_! Not to most guys, though. Flies right over most guys heads. Weā€™re just wired for noticing subtle body clues, guys arenā€™t, even though thatā€™s the bulk of what women send. ---
**Author:** ![ppHamelin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pphamelin/32/758_2.png) [@ppHamelin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ppHamelin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 3:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/35 "2010-09-05T03:40:19Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > You bought it for over 150$ ? šŸ˜® > Well, no one has even tested any of the mixes yet, and I already have 10+ posts here, lol Lol the price tag is $165. I want to try it out but I donā€™t have any $$$ budgeted for pheros left till next monthā€¦ Is the price adjusted by the # your posts count here? price = store - ((#log posts)/(info value))^thankedby \* (AD factor)? šŸ˜ƒ I wanted to report more but Iā€™ve been busy like hell lately. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 4:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/36 "2010-09-05T04:04:01Z")
> [@ppHamelin](#): > > price = store - ((#log posts)/(info value))^thankedby \* (AD factor)? šŸ˜ƒ OH NO! THE SECRET FORMULA!!! ā€¦ I think its actually a much simpler equation šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 4:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/37 "2010-09-05T04:06:17Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Also, I think the people who complain about A314 @ $109 or $129 are mostly the reporting users, the very ones we want to be treat the bestā€¦ so I donā€™t mind their feedback in that sense. Iā€™m very carefully considering the context in this part, who itā€™s coming from. > > While our best people can always call it and get a better price or a bundle deal, I know some have more of an online ordering preference. Weā€™ll work on making sure they get a better price on A314 when we have the new Pheromone Detective Squad levels in the new cart. I just really truly believe its an honest price to pay for something that helped so much. I was out tonight, and I know these women that for a fact do not like me, which is fine because I was an asshole to them way back when and it did carry forward. Normally when someone takes a pot shot at me back then, I would get all pissed and nervous and self-conscious. Tonight, nope, nothing. Even my friends said wow I would be pissed off at that, I just simply told them, let them believe what they want to believe, but I answer to me and me alone, I know I fucked up in the past but Iā€™m not going to dwell on it. To me, having that state of mind, is priceless. Prices keep going up, it sucks, and I know your standpoint, you want the best reporters out there to report and give feedback for the growth of the company, but I just hate it when people bust balls about something thatā€™s obviously needed and fair. And thatā€™s my two cents on that. > [@ppHamelin](#): > > Lol the price tag is $165. I want to try it out but I donā€™t have any $$$ budgeted for pheros left till next monthā€¦ > > Is the price adjusted by the # your posts count here? > > price = store - ((#log posts)/(info value))^thankedby \* (AD factor)? šŸ˜ƒ > > I wanted to report more but Iā€™ve been busy like hell lately. From what I know its the quality of your posts. I was given RU after detailing my experiences and Steve took notice and gave it to me relatively quickly. But I do understand that you canā€™t just post about BS things and get it. Granted I have 2k plus posts in less than a year, but I spend time at the New Users section and I try to help out as much as possible. Once I got it I tried to give back as much as possible to the community. ---
**Author:** ![ioncell](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ioncell/32/1844_2.png) [@ioncell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ioncell)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 4:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/38 "2010-09-05T04:24:25Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Radmans correct and so is olfact. > > For me specifically I bought the test pack, I tested it religiously then started buying more. I spent about $1100 worth of pheromones, but with points and other stuff its still under $1000, and you see my sig, I have all the stuff. > > You really donā€™t need to do putatives imo, the instant line is sufficient. If you have the want and inclination to really really customize then do it. For me I can live with just A314 IS and IH, for me at least. Thanks 1-So, My initial quota is approximately correct šŸ˜ƒ 2-For me , The joy of seeing new (unexpected)effects far outweighs of seeing repetitive IOIs. Of instant line,IMO IH is the greatest product of AD as far as social effects are concerned. But we are human beings, once we know our boundaries, we cross them. 3-Jas ,it is not of pure logic that the users who lacks experience gets highest prices, while the ones whom reached highest levels of experience gets lowest prices.Pure irony. The process of turning over average Joe into wizard would form the bulk of your income by many means. Every molecule needs time to form a ā€œmental image"of it characteristics(diffusion,social,LTR,age,sexual,self,race and personality),with a lot of wrong mixes,usage to reach a singleā€ individualized "foumula which cannot be just prescribed or repeated"kissing frogs as MHarris wrote ", not mentioning the inherent impurities of molecules, differences between batches,and out of stock messages. It seems a lot of stress on AD lately. Sorry for your loss Life is tough. Peace out ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 5:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380/39 "2010-09-05T05:31:39Z")
> [@ioncell](#): > > The process of turning over average Joe into wizard would form the bulk of your income by many means. Yes, youā€™re absolutely right. That _would_ be ironic if this was a purely commercial project. Right now, itā€™s a sort of funny hybrid of consumer sales channel and highly crowd sourced R&D project. We really need to open another sales channel/store to do what you recommend. Thatā€™d be fine. (although we canā€™t do that completely on our own yet, thereā€™s not enough of us to staff and $ to handle this operation, yet alone multiple ones) So further on down the line ā€“ when we get a good mix, weā€™ll sell it commercially through other sales channels at higher prices, and actually make some money. Thatā€™s a good idea, but I would like to keep prices low for the people whoā€™ve helped give the feedback that makes the products better. I want to make sure theyā€™re rewarded for having helped. That is to say, I want to keep the sort of ā€œAmerican made pheromones at Chinese pricesā€ thing going on here at Androtics HQ, at least for the people whoā€™ve reported over the years. The people who are basically helping to form the future of [pheromone technology](https://pheromonelabs.com/). Please understand that we do it this way due to the very primitive nature of the market we exist in. Nobody ever bothered to really develop pheromone tech very much before us, and itā€™s still in a primitive state compared to what we want to see ultimately. We really need as much help as we can get, so we can evolve the tech as fast as possible. The more feedback we get, the faster it moves. Years back, we saw on pheromone forums before ours that people had the role of ā€œtestersā€, and those people paid the most. Which is what youā€™re talking about, but _that_ seemed backwards to us. ā€œWhat kind of beta tester pays more than a consumer?ā€ we thought. Thatā€™s why we do what we do. We strongly feel that we should make the least money from people who _pay in other ways_. It only seems fair to reduce the cost in one currency when people are paying in another. Feedback is a real type of currency, a type of profit. We also view a better world as a type of profit. Thereā€™s many kinds of profit beyond cash. Thatā€™s why our modus operandi now is pretty much ā€œCash or feedback, your choiceā€ When we have people who report, weā€™re _rich in usable information_, which through the principles of delayed gratification and steady effort, can make us rich in other ways down the line. And hey, maybe if we improve the world enough, maybe even rich in the afterlife as all religions sell you on. šŸ™‚ Who knows. Hahaha So later on, with something easy to understand like Ammo 2.0, we can start to turn Joe average into a wizard. Start them on an easy to use product, and make an easy advancement path to trying other thingsā€¦ not just products, but behaviors, too. That involves a little more than pheros, of course. In a truly commercial project, we want to include educational videos to help people learn social awareness, and really shine. Pheromones work best when used by highly aware people. Since thereā€™s nobody else to really make them aware, thatā€™s yet another thing we have to do. Thatā€™s why Iā€™ve been gathering the best self help type friends over the years. Theyā€™ll be part of the commercial project that some day comes from Androtics. I want Androtics to stay on, though, as the nichey place for all the ā€œcool kidsā€ and insiders. The hardcore enthusiasts and researchers who challenge us, feed us perspectives we wouldnā€™t have ourselves, and really drive the tech forward. > [@](#): > > Every molecule needs time to form a ā€œmental image"of it characteristics(diffusion,social,LTR,age,sexual,self,race and personality),with a lot of wrong mixes,usage to reach a singleā€ individualized "foumula which cannot be just prescribed or repeated"kissing frogs as MHarris wrote ", not mentioning the inherent impurities of molecules, differences between batches,and out of stock messages. > It seems a lot of stress on AD lately. > > Peace out Yeah, it can be tough, and the project we chose is technically challenging even _without_ the nasties in the industry. Fragrance tech in general is more of a black art today than a well documented science, so almost every aspect of creating good products in this realm a bit of an uphill battle. It takes a lot of sheer effort and experimentation to get through to the next advance. Youā€™re very kind and generous with your wisdom. I sure do appreciate you! ---
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Still waiting for the order to process and arrive, lol. While we wait for this, can someone suggest some VERY good places for this, save for bars and clubs? [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/official-uf-test-pack-report-thread/41380.md?page=3)