# oi from utah. **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [March 11, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959 "2009-03-11T21:12:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TheCentaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TheCentaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCentaur)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959/1 "2009-03-11T21:12:55Z")
greetings from the west!! I am one of those people who had a sudden interest in body language and social interactions. funny though, I don’t get much of it at work being at computers all day. most of my socializing is done through IM or emails, or with family members and close friends. my coworkers are always unkempt, untidy nerds, just like me 🙂 we work in dark offices, eat microwave pizza, and drink every flavour soda in the cooler. I’m married, 31, and have the second child on the way right now. it’s a great time to be alive. I came upon this site doing some research into oxytocin, which led me to phero talk forums. my primary interest is in getting some deeper intimacy with my wife, and I don’t mean sexual as much as mentally and emotionally. all three balanced would be perfect. I bought some Beau Geste(-none) just before valentines day, and have been trying it on in different concentrations up till the weekend. I am off of it cold, because of the information on this site. not that it was bad, but how much I didnt know the range of the effects. as much as I enjoyed the one ‘hit’ I got off of it, I really want to find something stable and relaxing that I can use when my wife has a bad day, or just feels awful. I am surprised at the depth of the information here, as well as the importance that we feel to our partner physically as well as spiritually. my first assumption to this place was for people interested in getting some action. I am very impressed at the range of people here just looking for that extra enhancement to what they’ve already got or are learning how to use. no cheaters, and no devils, just the way it should be. ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959/2 "2009-03-11T21:19:16Z")
Nice to see you centaur. rest assured you are not the only married guy looking for a little something extra at home. Have a look in my sig strip, there’s a couple of threads that might be of some use ( bosshanks married guys thread is superb!) Now the major phero I would normally recommend for a married guy is IFM, unfortunately it’s going to be out of stock for a while, I’ll have a dig and find a thread that shows a pretty good substitute but Instant Shine and [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) will always be good. TUTH can be good if you want more ‘action’ but given that your wife is pregnant, that may be the last thing on her mind anyway. One word of caution, be careful with pheros when baby comes along, there is some thought that altering phero signatures can affect mother/baby bonding. There’s plenty of posts on here about it, just do a search. Have fun ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959/3 "2009-03-11T21:27:58Z")
Welcome to the forum Centaur! I’m sure you’ll love this place. There’s heaps of fun people to chat to and an enormous amount of info to read about phero’s 🙂 If you like stuff like studying body language (Tisha has a great link in her signature btw) and social interactions you’ll love reading Lor’s reports! They are brilliant! Diamond gave you some good advice…he’s one of the guys I always recommend new guys chat to if they are looking to spice things up with the wife. Bosshank is another great source of info for that 🙂 Oh, and like Diamond said… lay low on the phero’s (or better yet, don’t use at all) for the first few months after the new baby is born…YOu want to make sure he bonds with you and your natural phero signature. As for recommending phero’s for you to try… It would help if we knew a bit more about your personality. How would you describe yourself… shy, outgoing, chatty? How do you interact with others? ---
**Author:** ![TheCentaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TheCentaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCentaur)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959/4 "2009-03-11T21:29:07Z")
yeah, those pregnancy threads were the last ones I read about. I dont have any plans to wear after the baby is born, because she wants to breast feed, and most of my time is gonna be spent working and supporting our kids and my wife anyway. my big thing right now, is smoothing out her days, and making sure I’m always there for her. I just read an article here on how phermone signatures change men into fathers. I’d always welcome some action, but that wont be till the second trimester anyway 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TheCentaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TheCentaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCentaur)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959/5 "2009-03-11T21:35:27Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > Welcome to the forum Centaur! > > I’m sure you’ll love this place. There’s heaps of fun people to chat to and an enormous amount of info to read about phero’s 🙂 If you like stuff like studying body language (Tisha has a great link in her signature btw) and social interactions you’ll love reading Lor’s reports! They are brilliant! > > As for recommending phero’s for you to try… It would help if we knew a bit more about your personality. How would you describe yourself… shy, outgoing, chatty? How do you interact with others? wow, fast responses. this is cool, and I havent even purchased anything yet (except that beau geste cologne) I’m a B personality. I get A if I’ve had a few drinks, or if the topic is something I passionately share with the guests. I’m on the artsy side, and as embarrasing as it is, won my wifes heart with poems and serenades, though I think my phero signature helped immensely with that… I enjoy being the support of the party, not the host. I guess you could say I’m a soux chef, the one who knows how to do the work, and offer suggestions, not the one coming up with the recipes. I want to make sure everyone is comfortable and having a good time first before I join in the fun. I have gone through the body language site, and have even read a few books on it, and I’ll tell ya, its kinda scary to notice those signs from past conflicts or encounters. ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959/6 "2009-03-11T23:54:26Z")
HI there, Welcome aboard. FOr relationship with your wife, I agree with Diamond. YOu should try IFM, IH and TUTH. IFM will make your wife calm, relax and comfortable beside you. It increase the intimacy. Unfortunately IFM is out of stock at the moment. IH will build the relationship. It makes her closer as she will talk personal and details with you. TUTH is to spice up the sex life. It can sexually turn her on. Good luck ---
**Author:** ![TheCentaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TheCentaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCentaur)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959/7 "2009-03-12T15:57:34Z")
all of those sound like good splaces to start. I am very wary of androstenone, though, since I have found out I’m on edge and annoyed at everything when I had it on. perhaps an OD? at night, my wife also had nightmares of me demanding sex and assaulting her in public. as far as I understand, instant honesty and instant openness are combined to make CCTM2 ? is there any other steering pheros in there? also, what about the coupon? ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959/8 "2009-03-12T16:31:10Z")
If you are already a bit edgy then maybe go for [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) rather than TUTH… both are none based but ammo is well buffered with socials so it’s less agressive 🙂 In terms of effects ammo gives off an attractive sexy vibe whereas TUTH is blatantly sexual 🙄 If you notice you are getting edgy or your wife seems uncomfortable then maybe you are ODing… This is just a guess but now that your wife is pregnant her own phero signature is slightly different producing higher levels of bonding & nesting stimulating phero’s… It may be that she is then instictively less responsive to or put off by none…if you think about it, her own body chemistry is telling her the sperm has done it’s job, her body is reproducing so there is no need for more sperm…what her body is doing is preparing for the new baby, milk production etc 🙄 I may be wrong… I’m sure Tisha woudl be able to tell you… With CTTM2… well, it’s based on alpha and beta nols like IO & IH but the ratios are different. The “old” CTTM was a 50:50 ratio of alpha:beta, but the CTTM2 I believe is not quite that, close but not quite…it also has one or two other classified molecules in there. In the others the ratios of alpha:beta are roughly 30:70 for IH and 70:30 for IO 🙂 Your gift certificate is awarded by Tisha…she’s a busy lady but she’ll swing by and sprnkle you with fairy GC dust before you know it 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959/9 "2009-03-12T17:04:36Z")
> [@TheCentaur](#): > > all of those sound like good splaces to start. I am very wary of androstenone, though, since I have found out I’m on edge and annoyed at everything when I had it on. perhaps an OD? Perhaps - but that is not uncommon with some guys when they first start using it. > [@TheCentaur](#): > > at night, my wife also had nightmares of me demanding sex and assaulting her in public. Funny - my wife has dreams like that but does not think of them as nightmares … 😮 J/K. Seriously - you may have one or a combination of factors going on here. First - you may have gone a little too high with the 'none the day that happened. Second - please be sure to read the Married Guy thread Diamond mentioned - women are very in tune with their guy’s phero signature. I am sure she picked up on the extra 'none and irritability and that played out in her dreams. If you know you are a B type of personality and she obviously loves you very much the way you are - it may not take much none to make her uncomfortable, especially right now. Leading to the third point which Xiphoid brought up - your wife’s hormones are probably such that she is looking for comfort, predictability, support (emotional. material), etc. and not necessarily “Mr. Macho who sweeps her off her feet and ravages her in a night of passion.” Remember, she is feeling a vulnerable right now, physically and emotionally. Studies have shown that women prefer masculine faces around the time they are ovulating ie: “Mr. Macho who sweeps her off her feet and ravages her in a night of passion” and BTW gives her some strong DNA to work with - but prefer less masculine faces esp. at the end of their cycle. I would imagine that hormonally pregnant women would want the latter guy also. Anyways - my two cents … ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959/10 "2009-03-12T20:24:02Z")
I concur, Instant Female magic, Sadly Un-Available in To-Go or spray the Androtics Store: To-Go: [Instant Female Magic for Men, TO GO! :: Pheromones To Go™ (Portable / Travel Size) :: Androtics Direct / SmartMones](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) Spray: “[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/)” Female Relaxant for Men :: Spray Pheromones :: Androtics Direct / SmartMones ([Instant Female Magic Pheromone For Men – Comfort and Excite Her – Contains Androstadienone - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/)) ---
**Author:** ![TheCentaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TheCentaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCentaur)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959/11 "2009-03-12T21:00:24Z")
has anyone had a good mix that could come close to IFM ? the more I research, the more I think this could help us out. ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959/12 "2009-03-12T21:11:49Z")
> [@TheCentaur](#): > > has anyone had a good mix that could come close to IFM ? the more I research, the more I think this could help us out. Whilst it’s not recommended for new users to use putatives, have a look at this thread > [@Can Ammo replace Instant Female Magic while it is out of stock?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-substitute/25957): > > Hej Everyone I am considering investing in “[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/)”, but it is out of stock and will be for a unknown amount of time. What would you recommend to replace it? I am buying the Instant Shine and Turn Up The Heat. When reading about Instant Female Magic, it sounded like just what I was looking for. Can Ammo replace IFM? For calming a pregnant woman, perhaps scenario 3 might be appropriate 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oi-from-utah/26959/13 "2009-03-13T02:03:21Z")
Hello There Welcome to Pherotalk 🙂 I see you have met some of our fabulous members already. They have given you great advice to get started so lets get things going with a GC. **Your GC is on its way** 😃 If you have questions just ask. Hope to see you in the forum Tisha Hostess/Guide