# Oil based composite suggestions? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 26, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592 "2009-10-26T02:59:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/1 "2009-10-26T02:59:23Z")
I just ordered the ingredients to make another ICM …1b (because I have enough [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) for it since it is out of stock- along with so many other things) but I was interested in any ideas for another composite. I’m having fun trying this since my first time went much better than I expected it to. Anyone have any suggestions on what they think would make a good oil based composite? I’m not worried about whether or not the ingredients are in stock or even social vs sexual. Just brainstorming right now. ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 4:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/2 "2009-10-26T04:18:02Z")
PSST!!! Hey Snoop, heard ya needed help.😃 [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/): 20 mcgs per sray Andresterone: 10 mcgs per spray Andrestenone: 2.5mcgs per spray TAA: 10mcgs per spray * * * TAF: 2.5mcgs per spray TAA: 5mcgs per spray P83: 10-20 mcgs per spray Alpha Androstenol: 10 mcgs per spray * * * TAC: 5mcgs per spray -None: 2.5mcgs spray P83: 10mcgs spray TAF: 2.5mcgs per spray These are some of the mixes I’ve been wanting to test but I can’t afford to test all of them. As you can see, they all have our favorite ingredient in them which I’m sure you’ll like.🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 1:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/3 "2009-10-26T13:56:44Z")
> [@K-Train](#): > > PSST!!! Hey Snoop, heard ya needed help.😃 > > P83: 20 mcgs per sray > Andresterone: 10 mcgs per spray > Andrestenone: 2.5mcgs per spray > TAA: 10mcgs per spray > > * * * > > TAF: 2.5mcgs per spray > TAA: 5mcgs per spray > P83: 10-20 mcgs per spray > Alpha Androstenol: 10 mcgs per spray > > * * * > > TAC: 5mcgs per spray > -None: 2.5mcgs spray > P83: 10mcgs spray > TAF: 2.5mcgs per spray > > These are some of the mixes I’ve been wanting to test but I can’t afford to test all of them. As you can see, they all have our favorite ingredient in them which I’m sure you’ll like.🆒 Thanks, those look very interesting! I might composite a spray version first to see how it goes before giving one a whirl in oil. (I LOVE using the oil ICM I made but it is very expensive to make. The upside is that a little goes a long way.) Yup, one of the reasons I am making another …1b is because it is heavy in [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) (at least the way I make it!) 🙂 Love those touchy-feelies! ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/4 "2009-10-26T14:33:56Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > Thanks, those look very interesting! I might composite a spray version first to see how it goes before giving one a whirl in oil. (I LOVE using the oil ICM I made but it is very expensive to make. The upside is that a little goes a long way.) > > Yup, one of the reasons I am making another …1b is because it is heavy in P83 (at least the way I make it!) 🙂 Love those touchy-feelies! I agree!😃 [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) has one of the most obvious effects I’ve seen. It seems as if I can do anything and not get in trouble. I bet if I slapped a girl on the rear she probably wouldn’t get mad. In fact, she’d probably ask me to do it again!🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/5 "2009-10-26T14:44:02Z")
> [@K-Train](#): > > I agree!😃 P83 has one of the most obvious effects I’ve seen. It seems as if I can do anything and not get in trouble. I bet if I slapped a girl on the rear she probably wouldn’t get mad. In fact, she’d probably ask me to do it again!🆒 I’ve done that! She didn’t ask me to do it again but she did play it off like it was normal and slap me right back. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/6 "2009-10-26T15:11:10Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > I’ve done that! She didn’t ask me to do it again but she did play it off like it was normal and slap me right back. 😃 Sn…oo…p? That’s the kind of thing you got to put in your journal bro!😮 Lol, but anyway, I’m thinking about doing the mix in blue because those are the ingredients I can readily get. Except I’ll have to use TUTH in place of -none until I can get a chemset. The mix in black is supposed to be a mix between [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and Instant Gentlemen. I’ll breakdown the reasoning behind each ingredient: 1. The Andresterone is there to buffer the andrestenone but in combination helps to create the image of a mature, sexy man who is both smart _and_ attractive. 2. The Andrestenone is kept in a low dosage to keep it from being too overwhelming. At this low dose it also serves to ensure that the user isn’t walked all over and will make sure the girls see you as boyfriend/hubby material. Basically, it keeps you from the friend zone. 3. TAA adds youth to this mix. It allows you to seem outgoing and helps lift the spirits of everybody and helps take away intimidation so you won’t have too much of the A314 effect 4. P83…do I really need to say anymore? This is the main ingredient that(hopefully) will make women ACT on their underlying desire and with TAA in the mix will also add some touchiness to it. This gives help establish the BF/hubby vibe more by giving ladies the butterflies so they’ll think they have a crush. Again, THESE MIXES MUST BE TESTED FIRST, but the one I just described is the one I’m most excited to try. Feel free to chime in with suggestions guys. Also, Snoop, you can probably replace the TAA with TAC if you’d like.😉 ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/7 "2009-10-27T01:03:58Z")
I had a thought in my shower last night. It dosent exactly fit here, but it is about oil based products. Snoopy you chose to make yout ICM oil 4x spray strength, Steve went with 7x spray strength. Why did Steve go so much higher? We know Snoopy was playing the luck card, but before we start going oil crazy, I think we should try to figure that out. Save us all some money in the long run. Maybe its just me being a tight wad LOL but I think of crazy things in the shower. I do not like making ineffective mixes. I am sure no one else would either. If anyone knows or if Steve would care to chime in??? PS I am getting ready to place another order, I really want to work on an oil product, hence my concern. It would really be great if some products would be back in stock! ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/8 "2009-10-27T01:12:28Z")
If these work well as a spray, then you may need 4-7x strength for oil to work. > [@K-Train](#): > > PSST!!! Hey Snoop, heard ya needed help.😃 > > P83: 20 mcgs per sray > Andresterone: 10 mcgs per spray > Andrestenone: 2.5mcgs per spray > TAA: 10mcgs per spray > > * * * > > TAF: 2.5mcgs per spray > TAA: 5mcgs per spray > P83: 10-20 mcgs per spray > Alpha Androstenol: 10 mcgs per spray > > * * * > > TAC: 5mcgs per spray > -None: 2.5mcgs spray > P83: 10mcgs spray > TAF: 2.5mcgs per spray ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/9 "2009-10-27T01:19:11Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > I had a thought in my shower last night. It dosent exactly fit here, but it is about oil based products. Snoopy you chose to make yout ICM oil 4x spray strength, Steve went with 7x spray strength. Why did Steve go so much higher? We know Snoopy was playing the luck card, but before we start going oil crazy, I think we should try to figure that out. Save us all some money in the long run. Maybe its just me being a tight wad LOL but I think of crazy things in the shower. > > I do not like making ineffective mixes. I am sure no one else would either. If anyone knows or if Steve would care to chime in??? > > PS I am getting ready to place another order, I really want to work on an oil product, hence my concern. It would really be great if some products would be back in stock! Amen, brother! I’d love to try some different composites (alcohol or oil) but so much is out of stock that my hands are tied right now. That is why I am doing another ICM …1b. I happen to have enough [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) (out of stock) to make it. Actually, mine was at 5x strength but that is just nitpicking. I believe that Steve made his at 25% alcohol base pheros to 75% oil. Mine was more of a 50% to 50%. I don’t have the technical mind to figure out how one relates to the other strength wise (apples to apples). I agree that the lowest strength we can get away with the better for our wallets! I just know that I’m happy with my ICM attempt (the akuto scent turned out to be too weak, however.) Today I got an order from The Common Scents and I’ve made up 3 roll on bottles of the ICM I have with 20% cologne strength scents which will dilute mine slightly but I was really curious to see how it works with a roll on application like Scent of Eros. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/10 "2009-10-27T01:32:37Z")
Please report back on The common scents oils mixed in. I hav an order pending for when what I want is in stock at androtics. I really am excited for an oil mix. This was my whole thought I had in the shower. If A314 has 23.8 mcg per drop, that mcg content would have to be stronger than if is in a spray form. Steve came to a conclusion that 7x was the way to go for an oil mix. That would mean really if 1 drop of A314 was a spray, it would be like 2.72 mcg of Rone (23.8 x .8 = 19.04)/7 = 2.72 mcg (per spray). That is such a small amount. Less can be more. That is my point. Maybe higher is not better. That means at leat 11 other pheros would be added to Rone at .68 mcg (per spray). Is anyone following me or am I just thinking stupid. Like I said it really has nothing to do with your thread Snoopy, but just a thought in general on mixes and making them more effective. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/11 "2009-10-27T01:44:56Z")
This is a great discussion, I’m glad this thread went in this direction. I’m looking forward to reading the input from those who are much more in the know than I am. ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/12 "2009-10-27T01:55:19Z")
TAC: 5mcgs per spray -None: 2.5mcgs spray [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/): 10mcgs spray TAF: 2.5mcgs per spray Hey Snoop, do you think that the TAF needs a dosage increase? I’m about to make my order and I really want this mix to bring out that inner animal in girls. The andrestenone content is supposed to be lower than the TAC content to aid with buffering but I want TAF to drive P83’s sexual effects through the roof. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/13 "2009-10-27T01:55:54Z")
Yeah I really hope someone can help steer us 🙂 > [@Snoopyace](#): > > This is a great discussion, I’m glad this thread went in this direction. I’m looking forward to reading the input from those who are much more in the know than I am. The info I have is small. I have a quote from MHarris here: > [@](#): > > with something like TAF, a truly miraculous molecule if we’ve ever seen one, we see 3 distinct dosage curve. > > One is nanograms. .125mcg of TAF does make a difference. 10mcg of TAF makes a DIFFERENT kind of difference. Over 50mcg, and you start almost going into psychedelic territory, since you crate _very_ dramatic head shifts in some individuals – perhaps opening up some ancient tribal hunting mode out brains used to carry. and here s something else that mentions small amounts of pheros are effective: > [@](#): > > Rbt (January 28, 2008): > “…**Unfortunatley I preferred the lower androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) sample.** Will have to dig em out and see what the ratios actually were…” > > [It appears I've been banned from LS. - #266 by sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/266) ([It appears I've been banned from LS. - #266 by sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/266)) > sigma (January 29, 2008): > “…1) .5mg/mL A -None ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) & .1mg/mL A-Androsterone > 2) .4mg/mL A -None ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) & .2mg/mL A-Androsterone > \*\*3) .3mg/mL A -None ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) & .3mg/mL A-Androsterone > > \*\*\*\*I liked the 1:1 none:Androsterone ratio one too. I remember most people preferring that ratio…\*\*wonder why they opted for such an [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) heavy product like A7. Easier to market maybe? I was a little disappointed that they didn’t release a commercial product more in line with those bottles.” > > [It appears I've been banned from LS. - #269 by Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/269) ([It appears I've been banned from LS. - #269 by Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/269)) > Rbt (January 29, 2008): > “I dug out my sample test kit and noticed the .4/.2 was the one I must have used the most as it was the lowest. I gave the .5/.1 a try today paired with some LPP Adam as cover (a couple of dabs of both). No one ran screaming, in either direction (either toward me or away from me). May have to play with them some more, and with the actual A7 product when it arrives. There are more posts on using tiny amounts I just do not have them right here. It really makes me curious though. ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/14 "2009-10-27T02:24:12Z")
Wow, that’s EXACTLY what I needed! Thanks Andrew! Your the man!🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 2:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/15 "2009-10-27T02:28:50Z")
Yeah, very cool! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/16 "2009-10-27T18:51:14Z")
I wonder if we find that the 5x-7x strengths aren’t enough if P79 could help to amplify the effects (in a productive way). I am happy with what I’ve made at the strength I’ve made (still get mad self effects that I love) but if it would work better for others at a higher concentration, maybe P79 can help with that. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/17 "2009-10-27T19:06:31Z")
That could be a possibility, however, isn’t P79 kind of unpredictable sometimes? Maybe a small amount of P79 plus a small amout of TAF together can help amplify the [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) mix. > [@Snoopyace](#): > > I wonder if we find that the 5x-7x strengths aren’t enough if P79 could help to amplify the effects (in a productive way). I am happy with what I’ve made at the strength I’ve made (still get mad self effects that I love) but if it would work better for others at a higher concentration, maybe P79 can help with that. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 7:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/18 "2009-10-27T19:08:45Z")
Actually what we need to do is look at what pairs well with P83, that seems to make its effects intensify, then look at combining them into an acceptable ratio, then adding the next [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) and making it into an effective ratio and so on. ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/19 "2009-10-27T19:23:55Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > Actually what we need to do is look at what pairs well with P83, that seems to make its effects intensify, then look at combining them into an acceptable ratio, then adding the next pheromone and making it into an effective ratio and so on. If that’s the case then you’ll need a masculine phero like andoresterone or andrestenone. Usually either of these two pheros create somekind of attraction on their own so the addition of [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) usually skyrockets the effects. Today I used A314+MX116 and got a LOT of hair flipping from my G.O.I. She was also talking quite dirty…said a lot about penetration…😮 ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/20 "2009-10-27T19:27:20Z")
Just so I am clear, what specific effects are you looking for from the p83? [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592.md?page=2)