# Oil based composite suggestions? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 26, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592 "2009-10-26T02:59:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/21 "2009-10-27T19:34:01Z")
this is a quote from Tacitus, who wore huge amounts of pheros compared to most mortals it seems > [@](#): > > interesting you noticed this facet of some of the P series… the cool objective sizing up… really felt that in spades with [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) when the dosage got high… my guess is that higher ranges of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) may have this mind clearing effect as well… and yes, some of them do add in this focus… so you’re more aware than usual of things you might let slip by… like behaviors in significant others… you might try lower dose ranges where [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) sxeems to have a warmer quality, like maybe 10 [mu](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) maximum… I’m often shocked at how low the dosage can go with some of these and still impart a particular spin to events, or… you could balance the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) with a warming alpha -nol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) …😉 ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/22 "2009-10-27T19:54:26Z")
Here is some more info from Jasmin and Visionary talking about low doses of P83 being effective: Quote: Originally Posted by **Jasmin** [view post](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-do-pheros-come-from/1824/12) _Actually, in some cases, this seems like the perfect thing to do. Some putatives appear to have “gob it on” qualities._ _Others, (like **P83** for instance) show activity in “smidge” quantities._ Quote: Originally Posted by **Jasmin** [view post](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-do-pheros-come-from/1824/12) _Hey nbully,_ _I can’t speak for Lord Tacitus’ giant megadose adventures, but in some of my preliminary [putative](https://a314.com/) testing, some molecules totally CAN be in giant doses and work to great efficacy. For me, anyway._ _I’m discovering that in some cases, what we hypothesized about doses is completely different from reality._ _For instance, **P83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) **WORKS** in smidge quantities. I was feeling overdosed and spaced out even at 5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)! (2.5 spread between wrists and neck) I was led to believe that I might want to explore going at a much lower dose to explore its properties…_ _Whereas some [putatives](https://a314.com/) can go into bathtub quantities: the more you submerge yourself, the more effect you get. [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) comes to mind for this effect for ME, but everyone’s mileage varies. I know some ladies can get agitated under [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/)’s spell, while some, like myself, walk around bowlegged and intense._ _Some other [putatives](https://a314.com/) that aren’t even really really explored, like [P77](https://pheromonelabs.com/) or [P76](https://pheromonelabs.com/)… I have no idea on dosage. Maybe they are things that glisten in giant quantities! Maybe they’re duds?_ _We’re introducing more [putatives](https://a314.com/) shortly, to all you crazy ass Tacitus wannabes. We might even bundle a few, to get more people on the [putative](https://a314.com/) train._ _[Tac](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/), keep up the good work! I wonder what would happen if I mixed up a batch of this exact mix and covertly sprayed it on a layman?_ Just wondering Jasmin with regards to your **P83** experiences, and how it **WORKS** in smidge quantities. You were feeling overdosed and spaced out even at 5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)! I will have to try this lower quantity out as I am finding it does tend to make me quite aggressive and angry at 25 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) and more. Tension and aggression can be an aphrodisiac though of course (eg. make-up sex) so it might not be all bad 😠 . **What have you seen exactly in what P83 does at smidge quantities?** **Also generally if you are finding that some [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) work at really large quantities (perhaps Meo-Est?) maybe you guys could try selling/giving away as order bonuses these ‘putatives’ at the higher quantities of mcg. 300 mcg of Meo-Est or 500 mcg of P77 for example might become a standard application that way.** That way more people could test and more results would appear before everyone ‘forgets’ about the old putatives as they play with the new ones. I am thinking it is like in the supplement world. There, some things work in gram doses, most in mg doses, and some (like the herb Huperzine A and the mineral Selenium) in [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) doses. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/23 "2009-10-27T20:05:02Z")
Another quote from Tacitus on mixes in gereral: > [@](#): > > the best thing I’ve learned is to make symphonic mixes with high levels of basics and low levels of accessory pheromones… instead of piling them in at the same concentrations… tiny bits of **P83** , [P86](https://pheromonelabs.com/) , [P87](https://pheromonelabs.com/) , [P88](https://pheromonelabs.com/) together give a special twist that is fascinating… some of those small additions add a surprising degree of complexity and richness to the entire experience, where high levels of many of the putatives alone are too exotic for common social use. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/24 "2009-10-27T20:14:37Z")
a quote from examine: > [@P83 - Mind Bending Sex](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/26): > > i just came in here to say that since this thread i have beeing adding more P83 to my P74 +P79+p90 mix and i have been getting more blunt hits. in fact, this middle eastern waitress slid me her number at the pool hall. i still dont know what P83 does, or if it OD’s after time, but its been a couple of days, and the IOIs have been looking nice. > > for the newbies… > > it doesnt cause girls to walk up to me, but i notice the stares, hair twirls, and when i do talk, more eye contact. > > disclaimer: I dont know if P83 is causing me to notice more, if its making them notice more. but i like the hits > > experienced users: ive been using about 7mgs. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/25 "2009-10-27T20:19:16Z")
Too bad so many of those good things are out of stock right now! 😠 ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/26 "2009-10-27T20:24:22Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > Too bad so many of those good things are out of stock right now! 😠 No doubt! What it also shows is that low doses of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) are effective. So we do not need a super high mcg count to use it in an oil. It also gives some dif ideas on what to pair P83 with. ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/27 "2009-10-27T23:31:34Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > No doubt! What it also shows is that low doses of P83 are effective. So we do not need a super high mcg count to use it in an oil. It also gives some dif ideas on what to pair P83 with. From my experience [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) with nol creates a happy go lucky, touchy feely mood. P83+None= wild bitch fits/wild crazy sex. It’s a very aggressive molecule from my experiences. It’s got P79 amplifications qualities but from what I’ve seen those qualities can be extremely sexual or extremely happy. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/28 "2009-10-28T00:01:50Z")
> [@K-Train](#): > > From my experience P83 with nol creates a happy go lucky, touchy feely mood. P83+None= wild bitch fits/wild crazy sex. > > It’s a very aggressive molecule from my experiences. It’s got P79 amplifications qualities but from what I’ve seen those qualities can be extremely sexual or extremely happy. I completely agree. I like [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) with Spaceland or with my 50mcg alpha-androstenol (in grapefruit) it works very well. Upbeat but still has a sexual side that gets lots of touchy feelies. I just found some more P93 so I discovered I have enough to make a batch of ICM …1a so I am going to see what a ~none based mix does in oil. I hope my goodies get here by Thursday so I can composite it. Still deciding what Common Scents cover scents to use. The Common Scents, uh, scents work okay but they aren’t exactly inspired. Some things smell pretty close but others smell nothing like the original. They do work VERY well as far as diffusion however. I can’t wait to see what the new scent is going to be from Androtics because I plan to try an oil with the Androtics scent. ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/29 "2009-10-28T02:02:45Z")
Hey Snoop, just to be sure, how many mcgs of TAF did it take you before you noticed it started amping [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)’s effects? I’m mixing a to-go of the two up and I want to see how they combine with A314 since it’s my base mix. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/30 "2009-10-28T02:13:23Z")
> [@K-Train](#): > > Hey Snoop, just to be sure, how many mcgs of TAF did it take you before you noticed it started amping P83’s effects? I’m mixing a to-go of the two up and I want to see how they combine with A314 since it’s my base mix. I was seeing effects at 5mcg per spray. I’m getting ready to order some things to try a new (non oil mix 😮) and I plan on using 5mcg per spray. That is just my experience, I’d say give it a try at various amounts and see how it works for you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592/31 "2009-10-28T02:17:04Z")
Will do. Once I’ve got my ingredients I’ll keep you posted on the results, because I’m quite certain I’ll see some interesting ones.😃 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-based-composite-suggestions/33592.md?page=1)