# Ok, new guy here. . . . . (Kinda Long)

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**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [October 18, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-new-guy-here-kinda-long/33387 "2009-10-18T04:06:35Z")\
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**Author:** ![chuck258456](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@chuck258456](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chuck258456)\
**Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-new-guy-here-kinda-long/33387/1 "2009-10-18T04:06:35Z")

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First of all, I’d just like to say hi to everyone here, name is Charles, 18 for a few months now, just recently graduated High School, been prowling these forums for a while now. I honestly won’t say how I came to find out about pheremones or hell even this website because I honestly don’t remember, lol. I first found it when I was house sitting for my aunt while she was out on her honeymoon. Anyway, that was about idk, 2 or 3 weeks ago and I been casually browsing over this site ever since.

Pheremones have caught my interest, and I think I’m going to try a bit of experimenting. I just recently broke up with my girlfriend of about 6 months (Serious relationship) in July, it’s now October and I’AM over her, however, idk, I just don’t seem to ‘have’ it lately. Plenty of girls around that I can talk to and tried, just never had the ‘steam’ to go past casual conversation, as opposed to . . . this time last year about when I had 2 or 3 girls that I was looking at (My Ex one of them, one of her friends and a completely seperate girl in Earth Science). Now, I’m not saying I’m a pimp or playboy, but I could have had any of them, my ex was just the first one and I guess the one I liked the most.

Fast Forward to my Aunt’s wedding, I can’t seem to talk to any girl their (my age mind you) for more than 2 minutes at a time, we talk for 2 or 3 minutes, then all is silent. It’s been like this since I broke up w/ my ex. And honestly, it’s really NOT because I’m still getting over her, I still have a few tender feelings for her, and I think she does for me, but since she’s now in college, she kind of made the decision to not want to be a girlfriend anymore (as in, she didn’t want to have to worry about keeping someone happy while balancing school and work at the same time). So, I’m 18 and only got about 60 years left to live so I need to get to work (🙂)

I do have a few questions. Like I said, I’ve been stalking these forums and getting somewhat familiar with the terminology

tuth = turn up the heat  
IG = instant gentleman  
IH = instant honesty

etc. etc. . . . . . .

There are however a few that I’m really really not familiar with.

I’m going to cite this thread for some specific examples

> [@Meo-Est, P80, P83, P93, P95, P96, P97, P102, P103](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/meo-est-p80-p83-p93-p95-p96-p97-p102-p103/33347):
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> Product name,scent and strength Meo-Est 50mcg (grapefruit) P80 50mcg (grapefruit) [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) 25mcg (grapefruit) P93 37.5mcg (grapefruit) P95 25mcg (grapefruit) P96 15mcg (grapefruit) P97 12.5mcg (grapefruit) P102 12.5mcg (grapefruit) P103 12.5mcg (grapefruit) CB I Hate Perfume Gathering Apples and Cedarwood Tea (oil base, applied both OVER the pheros on my neck and also applied each to the tops of my hands) Application dosage and locations Meo-Est 3sprays (1 spray to each side of the neck b…

That thread has a giant list of what I guess I’ll call the ‘P-Series’.

I click on the links in that and they bring me to what I assume is the ordering website for the actual Pheremones, but unlike for [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) for example . . . . . . .

None of those P-series provides a description of what they actually do, are they sex, emotional, social???!!!?!!?😃

That concludes my first question

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Second Question . . . . . . .

My ex girlfriend is quite attractive, in my opinion. She also has morals and ‘guidelines’ I guess you could call them. Some of these is that she’s not the type to sleep around, and according to her, she won’t ever have sex with someone unless she’s in a relationship with them, here’s the catch though, she tends to break those rules, they are very ‘flexible’ I know this cause she has bent her own rules a few times before. And example of this is before we started dating, before we started dating, we were already somewhat sexually active (after having only known each other for a few months) Kissing, making out, lol her ‘raping’ me (no penetration at this point, but keep in mind, this is after having only known each other for \<6 months (that’s less than 😉).

When she’s around that time of the month, she get’s extremely horny, and calls me telling me about the ‘wet dreams’ she has and how she can’t stop thinking of sex. I honestly think if I went down to her apartment, we would wind up having sex (we were sexually active during our relationship), however, she still may have those ‘rules’ in place, providing a slight barrier to get around, which MAY stay (even though she is super flirty and horny around this time).

I’m going to watch Saw 6 w/ her this Friday, and maybe I’ll try to make the move, it’s been a while, lol.

ASSUMING nothing happens, their is always next time, but if she won’t do it this time, she won’t do it next time.

ASSUMING she stops herself this time, which pheremones do you think I should TRY using next time to just push her over that edge?

-Sub Question (in addition to): Will using smaller doses of Pheremones have slighter than ‘usual’ effects, (IE, I use a ‘half spray’ of TUTH will it give me ‘half’ the sexiness ‘increase’ I guess you could call it?

Thanks in advance for all answers I get

Hope I can become a valuable member of the community 😃

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**Author:** ![LeafStamp](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/leafstamp/32/376_2.png) [@LeafStamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LeafStamp)\
**Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 4:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-new-guy-here-kinda-long/33387/2 "2009-10-18T04:29:40Z")

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1. The P series are the raw [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) which make up Mixes when mixed together. Androtics don’t tell anyone what each one is meant to do (sometimes even they don’t know). So the P series get tested out and reported on. Eventually, when enough research is gathered about a P product - it might go into an MX. These are mixes of steering pheromones, main pheromones, blah blah. Just a mish mash of things. We don’t get told what is in them either (except for the odd occassion). So everything gathered is research based.

And then, with enough patience - things get spit out as consumer series (i.e. IO, IH, TUTH etc.). These are being changed every so often too when information about new pheromones gets discovered so that they are improved 🙂

Reporting users (users who report frequently), get a discount on the Putatives. I think they start at $14 rather than $28 and go up from there. Plus, the P series and MX’s don’t have a guarantee on them. So it’s all for the sake of research! I hope that helps!

1. Girls often say things to make themselves out to not look like sluts to make them feel better about themselves. LMR (Last Minute Resistance) is another form of this. If they say “no, this is a bad idea”, but offer no resistance before you engage in sex with them - then they’ll be “safe” from being called a slut etc.

Take a look at [Ladder Wiki - Free Relationship Advice and Dating Tips for Men](http://www.ladderwiki.com) that should clear things up.

I also think that you should decide on what you want out of your (ex)girlfriend. It seems like you’re not quite over her yet. Set some ground rules for yourself and don’t break them.

That’s it for now 🙂

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**Author:** ![chuck258456](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@chuck258456](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chuck258456)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-new-guy-here-kinda-long/33387/3 "2009-10-19T01:52:31Z")

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> [@LeafStamp](#):
>
> 1. The P series are the raw pheromone products which make up Mixes when mixed together. Androtics don’t tell anyone what each one is meant to do (sometimes even they don’t know). So the P series get tested out and reported on. Eventually, when enough research is gathered about a P product - it might go into an MX. These are mixes of steering pheromones, main pheromones, blah blah. Just a mish mash of things. We don’t get told what is in them either (except for the odd occassion). So everything gathered is research based.
> 
> And then, with enough patience - things get spit out as consumer series (i.e. IO, IH, TUTH etc.). These are being changed every so often too when information about new pheromones gets discovered so that they are improved 🙂
> 
> Reporting users (users who report frequently), get a discount on the Putatives. I think they start at $14 rather than $28 and go up from there. Plus, the P series and MX’s don’t have a guarantee on them. So it’s all for the sake of research! I hope that helps!
> 
> 1. Girls often say things to make themselves out to not look like sluts to make them feel better about themselves. LMR (Last Minute Resistance) is another form of this. If they say “no, this is a bad idea”, but offer no resistance before you engage in sex with them - then they’ll be “safe” from being called a slut etc.
> 
> Take a look at [Ladder Wiki - Free Relationship Advice and Dating Tips for Men](http://www.ladderwiki.com) that should clear things up.
> 
> I also think that you should decide on what you want out of your (ex)girlfriend. It seems like you’re not quite over her yet. Set some ground rules for yourself and don’t break them.
> 
> That’s it for now 🙂

Thanks, I’ll probably stay away from all that advanced stuff for a while. Like I said in my first post, I’m no playboy or pimp, I’ve been shot down my fair share of times, lol.

As for my ex girlfriend, I really do honestly think I’am over her, but you may have a point, so I’ll be thinking it over for a while.

Again, as for my ex, when we broke up, it was mainly for her school thing, and having to balance way to much, to be honest if I was in her shoes, I may have done the same thing (although would have procrastinated on it probably a bit more than she did)

I think what I ‘want’ out of my ex is just a casual relationship, we are still friends, not ‘BEST’ friends, they went with her to school, HOWEVER, I think I’m probably her closest guy friend here in town, and we both know we can talk to each other any time for any reason.

In the end, I think she would be cool with a casual relationship, nothing that’s going to DEMAND that we do the stuff boyfriend-girlfriend do, just stuff that good friends do, hanging out every once in a while (like going to see Saw 6 for example).

**Side Note**

Would anyone happen to have an answer to ‘Sub-Question 2’? If by using a smaller dosage, or spray, would you get a ‘weaker’ effect? Again, like if I do a ‘half’ spray of TUTH will I get ‘half’ the effect of a Full Spray?

Again, TIA

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**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\
**Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-new-guy-here-kinda-long/33387/4 "2009-10-22T04:39:28Z")

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> [@chuck258456](#):
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> Would anyone happen to have an answer to ‘Sub-Question 2’? If by using a smaller dosage, or spray, would you get a ‘weaker’ effect? Again, like if I do a ‘half’ spray of TUTH will I get ‘half’ the effect of a Full Spray?
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> Again, TIA

Yeah I belive so

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**Author:** ![interestedone09](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/interestedone09/32/760_2.png) [@interestedone09](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/interestedone09)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-new-guy-here-kinda-long/33387/5 "2009-10-27T17:32:08Z")

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> [@](#):
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> Would anyone happen to have an answer to ‘Sub-Question 2’? If by using a smaller dosage, or spray, would you get a ‘weaker’ effect? Again, like if I do a ‘half’ spray of [TUTH](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) will I get ‘half’ the effect of a Full Spray?

I don’t believe that’s the case with [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). I strongly believe now, which I didn’t in the beginning, that it is a matter of finding the right amount for you, or at least who you are targeting.

Take me for example. I would use 1 spray TUTH 1x (2.5 mcg -none) and not see any results, but it was more a shot in the wind. Then I began trying 1/2 sprays without much success, until I tried a full spray to my wrists. For the average person (who will be smelling you), the neck may be too powerful, but with the wrists, they may only catch the tail end of the scent.

For self effects, I think that this is also evident. 1 spray TUTH 1x (2.5 mcg -none) on the neck tends to make me irritable, but to the wrists, its not as bad. I’m actually going to be very soon, dilluting mine to 1mcg or 0.5mcg per spray so that I have better control of the dosage.

And the age of your “target” matters alot too, so if she is around 17-21, I’d say maybe try a half-spray, so as not to ghost (have her not acknowlege you) or scare her looking like the big bad wolf 😃

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**Author:** ![BMasters87](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bmasters87/32/2048_2.png) [@BMasters87](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BMasters87)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-new-guy-here-kinda-long/33387/6 "2009-10-27T17:41:49Z")

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[Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is an amazing standalone product for you. The only bad thing right now is that it’s out of stock… =(

I hope everything went well with you Friday night.