# Ok, some life important advice needed =P **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 5, 2007, 12:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360 "2007-03-05T12:56:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Flip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/53a042/32.png) [@Flip](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flip)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 12:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/1 "2007-03-05T12:56:10Z")
There is this one girl I know for about a year, always thought she was someone very special and she is very good looking. When I met her, we were on the streets chillin with a group. 3 days later, a few of my friends went to the cinema to watch Mission Impossible 3 and I didnt go because I’ve already seen it. But some girls including that girl I’m reffering to, were there and a friend of mine hooked up with that girl. Now she’s single again (for about 5 months already), and I very recently told her I like her on the phone. I’m hoping to see her next week or the next time we go out again and that will be soon and I am getting my shipping of phero’s this week ( if not then… grr.. ) so I dont have a lot of mixing experience and that stuff so I need advice on what I should put on me. This weekend I was with her but I think I didn’t even say more than 50 words the whole night and I dont know why, maybe because I was very tired (because I had a rough day) or because I was seeing her for the first time in a few months - we talk on msn or phone though) or if it was really the pot but usually I talk a lot usually but I dont want next time to be like this one (I told her that I like her after that night). She also said she likes me but doesn’t know me too and wants to be more around me then. I really like her… I’m also going to break up with my current girlfriend because I found out I can love someone more. What else should I say =/… this is what I should be getting: AMMUNITION Instant Shine - Double Strength Turn Up the Heat Instant Honesty - DOUBLE Strength Alpha A314 MX14MX144 to MX147 [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) Test Pack ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 3:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/2 "2007-03-05T15:12:55Z")
> [@Flipsider](#): > > There is this one girl I know for about a year, always thought she was someone very special and she is very good looking. > When I met her, we were on the streets chillin with a group. > 3 days later, a few of my friends went to the cinema to watch Mission Impossible 3 and I didnt go because I’ve already seen it. But some girls including that girl I’m reffering to, were there and a friend of mine hooked up with that girl. > > Now she’s single again (for about 5 months already), and I very recently told her I like her on the phone. I’m hoping to see her next week or the next time we go out again and that will be soon and I am getting my shipping of phero’s this week ( if not then… grr.. ) so I dont have a lot of mixing experience and that stuff so I need advice on what I should put on me. > This weekend I was with her but I think I didn’t even say more than 50 words the whole night and I dont know why, maybe because I was very tired (because I had a rough day) or because I was seeing her for the first time in a few months - we talk on msn or phone though) or if it was really the pot but usually I talk a lot usually but I dont want next time to be like this one (I told her that I like her after that night). > > She also said she likes me but doesn’t know me too and wants to be more around me then. > > I really like her… I’m also going to break up with my current girlfriend because I found out I can love someone more. > > What else should I say =/… this is what I should be getting: > > AMMUNITION > Instant Shine - Double Strength > Turn Up the Heat > Instant Honesty - DOUBLE Strength > Alpha A314 > MX14MX144 to MX147 Instant Openness Test Pack Heya flip, I wish you the best with this girl. The good thing is you already have a connection going with just your personalities and believe me that is KEY to everything else. I wouldn’t actually start mixing just yet, as I would be fearful something I mixed would screw things up. Here’s what I would do at your age: The next date/gathering try a bit of shine, check for a more happy/open vibe that will get you talking. It should open things up a bit more. I’ve noticed that when I wear shine alone, people in general, seem to get closer verbally with me. Not like with Instant Honesty but closer in a sense of hey, I don’t know you, but you seem like someone I’d like to exert my energy with and get to know. Try that first. The next time try just a tiny, itsy, bitsy spray of Ammo. At your age you’re already producing enough -none and although the -none in ammo is buffered there’s no use in risking a young relationship. It’s powerful stuff and sometimes the -none can have a negative affect especially on young ladies. See Toilofday’s comprehensive post here: Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp ([Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/basic-noob-phero-bootcamp/2159)) You can add more ammo as you progress, but with pheromones the IOI can be quite subtle, like hair twirling, shift changes, space invasions (not the Alien type) but they can be missed so don’t overdo it. If you are going to use Instant Honesty be careful and not apply it somewhere it will affect you or you will be telling this girl how much you love her and she will get that “Oh no, he’s needy” vibe and get out before it’s too late. Be careful with this one. It can be used as a secret ingredient when things progress and creates sometimes overly chatty reactions, but brings out the truth. When I use it I would give out my credit card number and my pin number just because. Turn Up The Heat: save for right before sex and again use sparingly. This is a sex cocktail and will heat it up. You don’t want this girl to think that’s all you’re about. Maybe if things are moving into that realm, but never before or she might say all this guy wants is sex from me. That’s not a good thing. A314: Interesting choice. I use it to garner respect and at my Old age it does what it’s supposed to. I might stay away from this until after the relationship matures. Use it sparingly so she might get that I have a boyfriend who I can trust, is respectful and is sooo cool like James Bond. If you use this one too early she might believe you have to mature of a vibe and not be fun enough for her. It would be a great thing coupled with shine when meeting the parents. [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/): Look at my advice again for Instant Honesty and to me it’s about the same. Coupled together they form a temper for each other. Open and honest, but not ridiculously chatty. Again start off very slow, with very little to find your sweet spots. I’m sure others will swing by to drop advice. Good luck and let us know how it goes for yah. ---
**Author:** ![Flip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/53a042/32.png) [@Flip](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flip)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 6:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/3 "2007-03-05T18:05:42Z")
Thanks a lot steveo 😃 I’d love to have some more comments on this.. it’s so damn important to me =/ and I dont want to overdose or make it negative in any way. I’d like to attach that whenever wherever with whoever I go out, there will always be either booze or weed (its %50-%50, weed is legal here). Any negative or positive comments when also having one of those? ---
**Author:** ![alseides](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alseides/32/1039_2.png) [@alseides](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alseides)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 1:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/4 "2007-03-06T01:48:11Z")
I PMed ya, Flip. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 1:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/5 "2007-03-06T01:51:47Z")
Here are my thoughts, FWIW. To build a sexual relationship you need to build, in this order, safety, trust, respect (fear), and comfort. The respect/fear is tricky because it has to be just the right amount and you’ll only learn how much is the right amount through practice. The excitement of attraction and lust comes from the fear, the willingness to allow the fear comes from the respect, saftey, trust, and comfort. It’s very tempting to want to use lots of stuff to help you out; you are in new and (emotionally) dangerous territory and you want all the amulets and totems you can have to protect you. My best advice to you is to resist that temptation and instead put all your faith in one thing at a time. I recommend you start off the first few weeks using no pheros from your order but [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (and that in moderate doses). I recommend against smoking weed as it dulls your senses too much. Limit your alcohol, too, for similar reasons. Depending on your tolerance, probably one drink per hour is the upper limit. If you notice you are having the slightest bit of trouble with your balance, coordination, or pronounciation, you’ve had WAY too much. Err on the side of drinking too little. Your target is simply to feel a little more relaxed and talkative. If your girl wants to smoke or drink, let her, but don’t let her have so much that she starts to have trouble walking, talking, thinking, or paying attention to you. I’ll leave it up to you about how you handle your current girlfriend. The unfortunate truth is that you will be much more attractive to the new girl while you’re still having sex with someone else, but at the same time she may not trust you enough to sleep with you if she feels you are cheating on another girl. This is an endless debate with no right answer; it’s a choice you have to make on what kind of man you want to be. I strongly advise you not to lie to or mislead anyone, but other than that there’s no moral high or low ground in your choice. You can try talking your girlfriend into letting you “see other people” (probably not), you can break up with your girlfriend first and then try to sleep with the new girl, you can sleep with the new girl and then tell your girlfriend about it before you sleep with her again, or try something else. Just know that if your current girlfriend expects you to be exclusive, there is no way you are going to get away with trying to hide that you are sleeping with someone else. Keep in mind also that your current girlfriend will remain in your social circle. Other women will ask her about you and believe what she says. You want to handle things in a way that she’ll be a good “reference.” ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/6 "2007-03-06T01:58:41Z")
If you use A314 you can temper it with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) … if you will be alone with her on a date, the Instant Shine isn’t essential, but it can be fun. ---
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/7 "2007-03-06T02:16:41Z")
A lot of people have had problems with A314 on first or second dates with women of any age and problems at any time with younger women. Since you’re in the early stages of dating a young woman, I recommend you avoid A314 with her entirely (or at least until you’ve slept with her on three separate days/nights). ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 2:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/8 "2007-03-06T02:38:35Z")
> [@kSage](#): > > A lot of people have had problems with A314 on first or second dates with women of any age and problems at any time with younger women. Since you’re in the early stages of dating a young woman, I recommend you avoid A314 with her entirely (or at least until you’ve slept with her on three separate days/nights). Yes I agree. That’s why I said this earlier in the thread. It creates a serious respect presence about you. You don’t want her to respect you more than you want her to feel comfortable with you. It might make you seem like you are too high on the maturity plain for her rather than someone she can talk too and be friends with. ---
**Author:** ![XDragonX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/6f9a4e/32.png) [@XDragonX](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XDragonX)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 5:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/9 "2007-03-06T05:52:56Z")
Ok here’s my advice and sadly you probably won’t take it because well you won’t. I wouldn’t have taken this advice when I started using [pheromones](https://a314.com/) either but it really is for the best. Use only one product at a time and get used to it, you will probably not get any results for the first 1-3 weeks with that item but eventually it’ll just hit u like a brick and no it’s not slight body motions or anything but like a duh smack in the face real obvious. I’d suggest starting with instant openness since I found it really easy to see the results since you just seem to make so many awesome jokes and all and people around you are funnier and happier and move up from there. As for the date, unless you’ve been well acquainted with everything for some time, you should only use the instant openness which will be pretty good on its own ---
**Author:** ![Flip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/53a042/32.png) [@Flip](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flip)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 9:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/10 "2007-03-06T09:18:19Z")
its not a date. we’re just like a big group and some people just hang around eachother on the streets or when some parents are home so we can make a small house-party 😛 Last time (last weekend) I was there and I barely could speak… this was HELL for me as I was no fun at all and the girl was never close to me. Drinkin mostly helps because it gets me a bit extra hyper as Im never really hyper… but I love to be it… if you know what Im saying =/ Without any drinkin next weekend, Im afraid nothings about to change.. unless there’s pheromones that affect ME into talking more, smiling more, makin mor jokes etc. ---
**Author:** ![HeinzHummer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/heinzhummer/32/941_2.png) [@HeinzHummer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HeinzHummer)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 10:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/11 "2007-03-06T10:32:57Z")
> [@Flip](#): > > There is this one girl I know for about a year, always thought she was someone very special and she is very good looking. > When I met her, we were on the streets chillin with a group. > 3 days later, a few of my friends went to the cinema to watch Mission Impossible 3 and I didnt go because I’ve already seen it. But some girls including that girl I’m reffering to, were there and a friend of mine hooked up with that girl. > > Now she’s single again (for about 5 months already), and I very recently told her I like her on the phone. I’m hoping to see her next week or the next time we go out again and that will be soon and I am getting my shipping of phero’s this week ( if not then… grr.. ) so I dont have a lot of mixing experience and that stuff so I need advice on what I should put on me. > This weekend I was with her but I think I didn’t even say more than 50 words the whole night and I dont know why, maybe because I was very tired (because I had a rough day) or because I was seeing her for the first time in a few months - we talk on msn or phone though) or if it was really the pot but usually I talk a lot usually but I dont want next time to be like this one (I told her that I like her after that night). > > She also said she likes me but doesn’t know me too and wants to be more around me then. > > I really like her… I’m also going to break up with my current girlfriend because I found out I can love someone more. > > What else should I say =/… this is what I should be getting: > > AMMUNITION > Instant Shine - Double Strength > Turn Up the Heat > Instant Honesty - DOUBLE Strength > Alpha A314 > MX14MX144 to MX147 Instant Openness Test Pack Friend, Brother, Comrade, I think you should dump the girl as long as she acts this way. This is the most friendly way of saying “I don’t like you, but I will keep you around, Just in case other things go wrong.” I know…I have been there myself. But as much as it may seem to be so hard, you may just get over her and fing the woman of your dreams. I don’t advise you to ditch her immediately, but just distance yourself a little bit. Check the situation. Gauge your level of risk. Know, your, enemy. I think if it continues, then you are better off either going stag, or giving the relationship like 6 months off…Either way, you should move on. HH 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Flip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/53a042/32.png) [@Flip](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flip)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 1:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/12 "2007-03-06T13:33:08Z")
hehe thanks, I dont really have anything to say about my ex.. but yeah.. shes my ex now and since I dont love her, there’s nothing going to be between us to anymore except for going out sometimes but no date or something. I need feedback on the upcoming girl instead of my ex 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Flip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/53a042/32.png) [@Flip](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flip)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 1:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/13 "2007-03-06T13:46:52Z")
and wouldnt even A314 help abit if I add like only half a drop or something..? its like " no you cant because if you wear it near girls same age as you, they will stand back \<\_\< " =/ ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 5:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/14 "2007-03-06T17:55:54Z")
IO will help you feel more like talking. A314 probably would not, at least not in a light fun social way. ---
**Author:** ![LJB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@LJB](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LJB)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 2:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/15 "2007-03-07T14:23:23Z")
Hmm, interesting thread - your situation mirrors my own, in some ways. I’ve just parted with my gf of 5 years. Very amicable split, still great friends, etc. We were just headin’ in different directions. I’ve met this girl who, as yet, isn’t hooked. She was from my school, just re-united after 8 years with some friendly Internet messages, and a one time 3 hour meet-up. I implanted the suggestion that we should take a trip to NY next month (knowing that’s where she’s always wanted to go, but made it sound like an original idea) and she’s game for it. So like you, I want to make my first few dates/impressions count. The variable that’s different in my case is that I’ll be spending 5 solid days with her, just the two of us in a big city. I was suggested on another thread to use A314 (since I’ll be on a plane, it might be good to gain respect points from air staff to look somewhat confident/edgy). However - like you, I don’t want to seem TOO cool in an unattractive/untouchable/just purely respected sense. I want to appear DESIRABLE, too. I’m gonna test A314 on subjects before our trip next month and will report back. My initial feeling is, I should couple one drop of this with the IS and a spray of the Female Magic. We’re 24 so slightly older than you, had experience with other partners, so the variables might be slightly different (not saying you haven’t, just stating my situation compared). ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 5:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/16 "2007-03-07T17:10:13Z")
> [@Flip](#): > > and wouldnt even A314 help abit if I add like only half a drop or something..? its like " no you cant because if you wear it near girls same age as you, they will stand back \<\_\< " =/ First of all, I say “feel free to experiment”. Definitely try out whatever you plan to wear before actually meeting your target. What about this: _suppose you’re planning to meet your target at 6pm; put a drop of A314 on early in the morning. Notice responses all day. But then put on a spray or two of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) at 5:30pm and see what happens THEN…_ Also, Flip, do you ever hesitate to walk up to people and start a conversation? Or can you push yourself to obey the 3-second rule? If you are outgoing and initiate conversation, don’t worry about wearing A314 – because even if it does create the “bubble of respect” for you, _ **people will be glad that you talked to them** _, even if they don’t get the impression that you are a fun-monster. (That’s what the Instant Shine is for.) Best to you, Cheers ---
**Author:** ![Rapaille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Rapaille](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rapaille)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/17 "2007-03-07T18:28:51Z")
Hi Flip, I don’t know if you already got some products from here, if not and you really need them PM me, I can make a small sample size and mail it to you. I also live in the Netherlands, most orders takes ages (± 3 weekes) to arrive nowadays. Just mail me what you would like to have, I can also make a small ‘safe’ custom mix. The best thing is to order some products from here because these sample sizes will last approx 5/6 times. ---
**Author:** ![unknown\_user88](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown_user88/32/842_2.png) [@unknown\_user88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown_user88)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/18 "2007-03-07T18:44:54Z")
all i can say Flip is, use a bit of Alpha 314 and some Nols and use psychological skills like i do. If she knows you like her, just start acting like you don’t realise she is there, like acknowledging all the others when in a group but not her much, not in a hostile way but like you don’t really notice her much, but not to much, every now and again say something briefly to her, avoid convo, and avoid eye contact at anytime, and that my friend will drive her a lil crazy about you as she is used to having your attention. Plus the alpha 314 will make her think you status has gone up, plus does she know you have a current GF?? ---
**Author:** ![Flip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/53a042/32.png) [@Flip](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flip)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 6:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/19 "2007-03-07T18:46:24Z")
Thanks for the advice guys. And Rapaille, that would be awesome as I was supposed to get my shipping about 10-15 days ago through USPS… but nothing has come up yet so Im not 100% sure Ill be getting it till friday. But I think youre reffering to buying it instead of giving it to me to test it and for being sure I can get it when I go to this girl 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Flip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/53a042/32.png) [@Flip](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flip)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2007, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360/20 "2007-03-07T18:50:26Z")
unknown, thanks for the advice, and she and I had some rough chat conversation through msn about her not knowing I had a girlfriend and I wouldnt give her the name of the ex (yes I dumped my girlfriend so I dont have one now) and then she started acting as if I was just making up some random girl though Im almost sure she already knew… it screwed up and all and she said she didnt like how im so too mysterious or something… pretty fucked up… [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-some-life-important-advice-needed-p/2360.md?page=2)