# OK What in the 7 hells am I doing wrong? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 30, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-what-in-the-7-hells-am-i-doing-wrong/58002 "2013-01-30T18:43:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-what-in-the-7-hells-am-i-doing-wrong/58002/1 "2013-01-30T18:43:37Z")
So I’ve been on this forum pretty often and many know I just bought some newbie to-go pheromones. But lately, no matter how much I spray, I get ZERO affects. I used to be a huge advocate of Chikara, now I get absolutely nothing with it. I’m starting to feel negatively towards [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) in particular. I’m aware it isn’t really supposed to affect other people, but now it even barely effects me, other than making me exhausted and irritable as fuck after a few hours. Is there such thing as a required break from pheromones? Like it’s the point where now I’m noticing people being friendlier WITHOUT the pheromones, especially Chikara, when Chikara used to get me the most insane friendly hits. I have a feeling I may be OD’ing without realizing it, but I sprayed my normal amount of Chikara today. The only thing I can think of is (TMI) I didn’t take a shower today since I woke up super late. But could my own natural pheromones really be fucking it up that much? I highly doubt my body produces THAT MANY pheromones that quickly. Do you guys recommend a shower every time before applying pheromones? Even if I showered already today? I also think it might be the way I’m applying the pheromones. I can’t spray more than 1 spray of half the pheromones I have, but I want to apply it to all my application points. I spray it on my hand and use my finger to apply it to every application point. I even tried today to put it on my bare chest to see if it would diffuse better through my clothing, rather than putting it directly onto my clothing. ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-what-in-the-7-hells-am-i-doing-wrong/58002/2 "2013-01-30T19:20:16Z")
You really can’t measure how much your body is producing its natural [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) especially at this age. Now, yea it is recommended that you take a shower and scrub application points very well after pheromone usage. Instant shine is supposed to make you and everyone bubbly and feeling good… Use up to 4x-8x and see the effects. Another thing is your application point. May be you are applying it in a area that doesn’t diffuse properly… and make sure to have a consistent vibe with certain people. For example, your friends should have a certain mix, may be another place people should know you with another mix… if you switch mix with same people over and over again, eventually you will be ghosting with anything (happened to me in highschool first hand experience) and you will see that using nothing is better off, hope that helped ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2013, 8:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-what-in-the-7-hells-am-i-doing-wrong/58002/3 "2013-01-30T20:30:25Z")
I would also ask how OFTEN are you using mones? One thing I’ve noticed when I first started out is that I would wear insane amount of mones after trying them out. I wouldn’t give it a rest. So, I would eventually ‘see’ that the mones were not providing the initial responses from others. I NOTICED in my own system that my body would ‘need’ a time away from wearing mones as the mones, like IH and IShine that I liked to use, would not be getting me the results I expected. What you’re stating reminds me of your system needing time to reset from too much synthetic mone use. I’d recommend a few days off of mones, at least, and JOURNAL how you see other react to you and you’re on reactions through out the day. Then, give ONE mone product a go and see what you see… BTW, best is to have a ‘clean’ slate, fresh shower with a good scrubbin’ when you get to your mone testing comparison. Don’t take a shower for a few days when you’re off of them. Or not… Whatever tickles your pickle… 😃 ALSO, it could be WHO you’re around and what they’ve got going on in their brains/lives. I’d say give these two links a read, the first one is a bit of a narrative of my own experience and thoughts with a mone influencer in those around me in differing settings. > [@Personal Thoughts on Mones... 1Alpha's ramblings!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/personal-thoughts-on-mones-1alphas-ramblings/53580): > > I have this nagging feeling that this has been touched on in my stroll through this labyrinth of a forum. I’ve been reading up on the forum and thought about how mones fit in the social equation. Some have proposed that certain none heavy products are prone to cause fisticuffs others, that an other than desired response will be directed at the mone wearer. Or that the user will be getting women clawing all over him like a 21st century Casanova. Also, that being Ghosted, completely ignored, … The other is a gem of a post on what to expect from the mones by the delicious and straight shooter mone goddess, Tisha23. > [@What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-do-and-what-they-cant-updated/9558): > > A lot of people come in to the forum and read all the wonderful stories about peoples experiences with [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/). New people end up trying them out with high expectations and usually as they get to know the product those expectations are met to some extent and sometimes not because there expectations were to high But I think its best for people to have a realistic view on what exactly they can and can not do. I get a lot of PM’s from people asking me why "they couldn’t get there cheati… 1Alpha ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-what-in-the-7-hells-am-i-doing-wrong/58002/4 "2013-01-31T01:12:59Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m starting to feel negatively towards Instant Shine in particular. I’m aware it isn’t really supposed to affect other people, but now it even barely effects me, other than making me exhausted and irritable as fuck after a few hours. Who told you that bull ? Ishine is, as all pheromones are, to communicate with others. They are not for self effects. Self effects tend to be placebo and do not last. Pheromones work primarily in the subconscious. If your spraying them on your conscious of it. Your experiencing a phero crash with Ishine much like a caffeine crash. Give Ishine a break for a while. Always apply your mones to a clean body. Yes while you sleep you sweat quite a bit and lots of mone residue will remain. You probably have some build up as well so rotating what you use of taking breaks from mones is important. I notice you mentioned clothes applications. Make sure you wash those clothes with an oxidizing detergent after every use. Cloth will hold onto molecules and build up. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![EGuz92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eguz92/32/1475_2.png) [@EGuz92](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/EGuz92)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2013, 9:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-what-in-the-7-hells-am-i-doing-wrong/58002/5 "2013-01-31T09:40:13Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Who told you that bull ? Ishine is, as all pheromones are, to communicate with others. They are not for self effects. Self effects tend to be placebo and do not last. Pheromones work primarily in the subconscious. If your spraying them on your conscious of it. > > Your experiencing a phero crash with Ishine much like a caffeine crash. Give Ishine a break for a while. > > Always apply your mones to a clean body. Yes while you sleep you sweat quite a bit and lots of mone residue will remain. You probably have some build up as well so rotating what you use of taking breaks from mones is important. > > I notice you mentioned clothes applications. Make sure you wash those clothes with an oxidizing detergent after every use. Cloth will hold onto molecules and build up. > > Tisha So you’re saying pheromones are completely placebo? Or just the self-effects? ---
**Author:** ![stefan\_jo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@stefan\_jo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stefan_jo)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2013, 11:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-what-in-the-7-hells-am-i-doing-wrong/58002/6 "2013-01-31T11:13:05Z")
> [@EGuz92](#): > > So you’re saying pheromones are completely placebo? Or just the self-effects? No they are not. I don’t know what tisha means exactly but -mones DO have selfeffects. You can build up a tolerance against them so the selfeffects are not that strong anymore. Sometimes a break of mones help. So to selfeffects: I don’t get that happy feeling of IS anymore or it’s very week. I also noticed that when I apply many different -mones like in my daily work mix I get a kind of tunnel view and carefree feeling. If I stop breathing through nose and only breath through mouth these effects stop. If I breath through nose again the effects return. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2013, 11:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-what-in-the-7-hells-am-i-doing-wrong/58002/7 "2013-01-31T11:24:04Z")
> [@EGuz92](#): > > So I’ve been on this forum pretty often and many know I just bought some newbie to-go pheromones. But lately, no matter how much I spray, I get ZERO affects. I used to be a huge advocate of Chikara, now I get absolutely nothing with it. I’m starting to feel negatively towards Instant Shine in particular. I’m aware it isn’t really supposed to affect other people, but now it even barely effects me, other than making me exhausted and irritable as fuck after a few hours. Is there such thing as a required break from pheromones? Like it’s the point where now I’m noticing people being friendlier WITHOUT the pheromones, especially Chikara, when Chikara used to get me the most insane friendly hits. I have a feeling I may be OD’ing without realizing it, but I sprayed my normal amount of Chikara today. The only thing I can think of is (TMI) I didn’t take a shower today since I woke up super late. But could my own natural pheromones really be fucking it up that much? I highly doubt my body produces THAT MANY pheromones that quickly. Do you guys recommend a shower every time before applying pheromones? Even if I showered already today? I also think it might be the way I’m applying the pheromones. I can’t spray more than 1 spray of half the pheromones I have, but I want to apply it to all my application points. I spray it on my hand and use my finger to apply it to every application point. I even tried today to put it on my bare chest to see if it would diffuse better through my clothing, rather than putting it directly onto my clothing. If you were to wear 4 sprays of TUTH , which should be about 10 mcg of androstenone IIRC, you ought to get some results. You might not like them, but people should respond to that much NONE. Try some simple uses, like [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) and TUTH or TUTH + IShine and IO. Go easy. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-what-in-the-7-hells-am-i-doing-wrong/58002/8 "2013-01-31T17:02:26Z")
> [@EGuz92](#): > > So you’re saying pheromones are completely placebo? Or just the self-effects? No I did not say mones are completely placebo. However because your not blind testing and your aware of the signal they produce this influences your feelings. That influence is placebo. You can not determine how effective your mones are working by how you feel wearing them. Self effects from pheromones are sort of like a new shirt that looks great on you. It makes you feel good wearing it not because it signaling you to feel that way. After wearing that shirt over and over you probably still like it but it doesn’t produce the same feeling. These type feeling are caused by conscious stimuli. The affect that pheromones have on others is a true chemical response which is processed in the subconscious mind without the person being aware of the stimuli. They then look for that stimuli and it leads to the one wearing or emitting the pheromone. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ok-what-in-the-7-hells-am-i-doing-wrong/58002/9 "2013-01-31T21:08:53Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > No I did not say mones are completely placebo. However because your not blind testing and your aware of the signal they produce this influences your feelings. That influence is placebo. You can not determine how effective your mones are working by how you feel wearing them. > > Self effects from pheromones are sort of like a new shirt that looks great on you. It makes you feel good wearing it not because it signaling you to feel that way. After wearing that shirt over and over you probably still like it but it doesn’t produce the same feeling. These type feeling are caused by conscious stimuli. > > The affect that pheromones have on others is a true chemical response which is processed in the subconscious mind without the person being aware of the stimuli. They then look for that stimuli and it leads to the one wearing or emitting the pheromone. > > Tisha [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) may be the one product for which I see no attenuation of the self effects after about two months of near daily use. The mind and personality gradually adapt to it, in the way attributed to the effects of A314.