# Oklahoma declaring sovereignty **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [May 6, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717 "2009-05-06T17:50:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717/1 "2009-05-06T17:50:50Z")
> **[The Oklahoman: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, News, Politics and Sports](https://www.oklahoman.com/)** > > The Oklahoman is the number one source for Oklahoma City breaking news, politics, business, sports, entertainment and obituaries. > [@](#): > > Key said HCR 1028, which, if passed, would be sent to [Democratic President Barack Obama](http://www.newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Barack+Obama&CATEGORY=PERSON) and the Democratic-controlled Congress, would not jeopardize federal funds but would tell Congress to "get back into their proper constitutional role.” The resolution states the federal government should "cease and desist” mandates that are beyond the scope of its powers. > > Key said many federal laws violate the 10th Amendment, which says powers not delegated to the ([The Oklahoman: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, News, Politics and Sports](http://www.newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=United+States&CATEGORY=COUNTRY)) government "are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.” The Constitution lists about 20 duties required of the U.S. government, he said. > > Congress should not be providing bailouts to financial institutions and automakers, he said. > > "We give all this money to all these different entities, including automakers, and now they’re talking about, ‘Well maybe it’s better to let them go bankrupt,’” Key said. "Well, maybe we should have let them go bankrupt before we gave them the money.” ---
**Author:** ![gronga](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gronga/32/1240_2.png) [@gronga](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gronga)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 12:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717/2 "2009-05-15T12:52:00Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > [The Oklahoman: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, News, Politics and Sports](http://www.newsok.com/house-bypasses-governors-veto-to-claim-oklahomas-sovereignty/article/3366762) Ding Winner! I hope when he presents it he is wearing some A314… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717/3 "2009-05-15T15:14:06Z")
I can;t believe Okie got it before us Texans… I’m surprised Cali hasn’t done this either… ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717/4 "2009-05-15T15:56:43Z")
It was just a matter of time. Washington has been way overstepping their bounds for years. They can’t even get their stated federal responsibilities right most of the time (border control, a tax code the average person can understand, IRS accounting for the tax dollars that fund them, etc.) so why do they think they have the wisdom, knowledge or expertise to do anything else correctly? ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717/5 "2009-05-15T17:37:08Z")
‘Nullification’ goes all the way back to 1798. It’s the basis for several states resolutions written by such notables as Jefferson, Madison and John C. Calhoun. Because of the “Necessary and Proper Clause” in Article I of the Constitution and the lack of the word ‘expressly’ in the Tenth Amendment (The powers not {_ **expressly** _} delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.), these resolutions carry no weight at the federal level. It will take 38 states legislatures, 67 Senators, and 290 Representatives to fix it…who’s up for the fight? 🙂 Be aware, doing this would negate just about every Supreme Court decision you’ve ever heard the name of, from Roe v Wade all the way back to Marbury V Madison. The unintended consequences are staggering. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717/6 "2009-05-15T18:38:44Z")
Screw them all! I’m declaring myself sovereign! From now on you all can refer to me as _ **mark-in-his-own-little-world** _! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717/7 "2009-05-15T18:45:39Z")
I can only sit here in the Democratik People’s Republik of Vashington State, comrade, and silently salute. I see this less as an actual attempt to secede and more of a commentary on the state of affair in Washington. A state of affairs, I should point out, that crosses party lines. -D4 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717/8 "2009-05-15T18:50:40Z")
Agreed! A number of States have started passing resolutions to reign the Fed back in and take back what’s supposed to be theirs. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 6:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717/9 "2009-05-15T18:58:20Z")
> [@data4](#): > > I can only sit here in the Democratik People’s Republik of Vashington State, comrade, and silently salute. I see this less as an actual attempt to secede and more of a commentary on the state of affair in Washington. A state of affairs, I should point out, that crosses party lines. > > -D4 They aren’t trying to secede, but rather are trying to get Washington to halt its illegal activities with regards to the rights of the States. Diane ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717/10 "2009-05-15T20:37:09Z")
> [@mark-in-his-own-little-world!](#): > > Screw them all! I’m declaring myself sovereign! From now on you all can refer to me as _ **mark-in-his-own-little-world** _! 🙄 you got it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jedi\_Nights](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jedi_nights/32/346_2.png) [@Jedi\_Nights](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jedi_Nights)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717/11 "2009-05-19T01:19:02Z")
Stop the Bail Outs! Don’t reward bad behavior! Let the market correct itself. Prop it up and we’re in for a long depression. See 1929. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717/12 "2009-05-19T18:38:27Z")
> [@Jedi\_Nights](#): > > Let the market correct itself. > … > See 1929. Yup, you’re absolutely correct, that’s exactly what Alfred Mellon said to do in 1929, and Hoover listened! ---
**Author:** ![jankren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jankren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jankren)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oklahoma-declaring-sovereignty/28717/13 "2009-05-20T04:21:16Z")
The Union is better off without the backward South anyway.