# Old School User - need New Tips **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 13, 2012, 7:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385 "2012-08-13T19:28:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 7:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/1 "2012-08-13T19:28:15Z")
Hi All, Old school user here (well 3 years ago). Used to hit it hard but took a break for over a couple of years as I was in a relationship that was basically like a marriage. But alas now I’m free and I’m ready to cause trouble once more. Want to start slow as I had a serious 'mone problem of several hundred dollars a month back in the day. So I used to use IG/Ammo/TUTH/ and loads of IH/IO/IS with my favorite being CTTM2 (that was so good for me with TUTH) hope that John brings it back some day. Also dabbled in [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) and a 301 I think?? don’t remember. Going to start restocking the basics again but I noticed something that I’m hoping is just a typo or something. The Price of IO/IH is now over $100 and even more than A314 😮 . Is this the right price? I remember it being about 40-50 range before. So hopefully someone can let me know when/why this price was bumped up so much as that is pretty much a staple for buffering. Outside of that I’m thinking of the following to get my feet wet: 2X IS Summer AMMO (seems to have good reviews) 2X IH (provided price is reasonable) 2X IO (provided price is reasonable) One of the A314 sprays (which one do you all like) Also want to dabble in some of the newer mixes - MX series. Any favorites/new concoctions here for me to try and report on. I used to be killer with the ladies but been out of the game for a bit so looking for fun/friendly vibes and making some friends to start and just having fun going out again (which I haven’t done in a long time). Thanks, Gatsby ---
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/2 "2012-08-13T19:31:52Z")
Also I forgot to Add I can’t seem to choose 2X strength on IO/IH either anymore. Did this change as well? Thanks, Gatsby ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 1:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/3 "2012-08-14T01:51:52Z")
The "official replacement for CTTM2 now its off the shelves is an equal mix of IO and IH. As for the rest, you need to read this: > [@The Future of Pheromone Technology: The Golden 13 Molecules.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034): > > Hello Folks. The future of pheromone technology. Mighty molecules with incredible effects. Innovative formulas. Repeatable results. Sustainable production. We can have all of this. If we focus on THIRTEEN GOLDEN molecules. Read on to get the backstory. Or just scroll to the bottom so you know which ten we’re talking about. These are the molecules we’ve invested in for the future. These are the molecules we have figured out how to make sustainably. Every one of them is a Pure Lab Standard,… The rest is price and availability of molecules. They drop the higher strengths when supplies are short. I was able to restock my 2x a few weeks back but we have not seen 4x for a long time! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/4 "2012-08-14T13:59:13Z")
Hey Mobo, I remember you. I think we both started dabbling around the same time. Glad to see you’re going strong I’ll have to catch up on your journal. Thanks for the reply. I didn’t realize the -nols were in such high demand. I know AD is a fair company so that’s why I posed the question. Oh well at that price I’d rather test with new things as I’m already pretty aware of IO/IH effects. Here’s my order placed today - I’ll try to report back on it soon. Summer AMMO - Really looking forward to trying this. 2X IS IG A314B Spray Has anyone tried the MX405 Experimental pack thats a CTTM replacement? Also can anyone recommend some good socials, -nol replacements in the P or MX series that I can try. IG is my all-time everyday favorite and A314B looks new so I’ll be writing up some comparisons on it when I try them out. Thanks, Gats ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/5 "2012-08-14T14:27:25Z")
[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and P114 are reasonable alternatives for IH and IO. Although P74 has its limitations in a sexual mix. P114 is an absolute talk monster though! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/6 "2012-08-14T15:17:42Z")
Damn P114 seems to be out of stock. I think I want to try MX403 but having been out of it for a while I don’t know if I’m dialed in enough to give it a shot. I’m going to stick with my current stack and see how it goes. Thanks for the help. ---
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/7 "2012-08-15T01:00:28Z")
I knew I shouldn’t have gone back to my shopping cart - added a few more things. Final Order. Summer AMMO 2X IS IH - ToGo A314B Spray [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) 10mcg - 30 ml IG The cycle begins again. I’ll keep a journal this time around so check it out as I shake off the rust and get back to being no good. Thanks, Gats ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 7:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/8 "2012-08-15T07:25:23Z")
A friendly tip, for women over 30, IS + TuTH + [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is golden. They will do a good chunk of the work for you. ---
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/9 "2012-08-15T17:52:46Z")
Ha Ha appreciate the advice but I haven’t dated over 25 since I WAS 25. "That’s what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age. " Good words to live by. Of course i’d change out high school for college as I’m a law abiding citizen and all. I’m really curious about [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) though it’s gotten very mixed hits from what I’ve been reading so far. Good thing about me is that I can put what I read out of my mind and be objective. If it doesn’t work at least it’s a good cologne. I’m now trying to find IH/IO replacements until the price comes down. Is P75 a decent replacement? I need social mones at this point. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/10 "2012-08-15T17:58:31Z")
Not P75 for IO or IH - Its a very masculine phero that can get folk very edgy at anything over tiny doses. Better to moder it with plenty of socials like IO/IH. Its also a good none alternative around women who don’t usually respond well to none - Young ones, Asians etc. As for summer [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) - I’m getting brilliant hits from it consistantly but at my age I do find it benefits from some extra none, especially as it raises the age of your responses into a less scary-young range - although I’ve had good results with P75 as well. ---
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 8:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/11 "2012-08-15T20:05:51Z")
Hmm interesting I thought most people were reporting that [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) seems to be a social one and combine with IH. I think I’m just going to go straight to the source and buy betanol. Any experience going straight to the nols? The betanol is priced reasonably so i wonder what other ingredient could be driving up the price for IH/IO. Thanks, Gats ---
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/12 "2012-08-15T20:06:25Z")
Also my order just shipped, I’ll have it today. I have never seen faster order fulfillment from any company. Go AD. ---
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 8:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/13 "2012-08-15T20:40:33Z")
Also sorry I had my p’s mixed up I meant to say P74 not [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/). I think P74 is what many people say is similar to IH. Does that sound right? ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 10:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/14 "2012-08-15T22:26:20Z")
Yup, [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) tends to be a tad more best friend vibe, so for attraction you may need a bit of steering. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/old-school-user-need-new-tips/56385/15 "2012-08-16T02:45:02Z")
> [@gatsby](#): > > Also sorry I had my p’s mixed up I meant to say P74 not P75. I think P74 is what many people say is similar to IH. Does that sound right? Yes - [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) is much better, just don’t dose too high or its straight into best friend hell. Although they are similar, P74 does bring extra qualities to IH when used together - Makes for a very inyeresting, almost crushy vibe and goes really well with A314 for a work mix to impress people. Can get you mega fallout/stalkers though - I stopped using it at work for this reason.