# Older Gentleman Seeking Advice On Strength **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 11, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297 "2008-09-11T18:23:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sundance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@sundance](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sundance)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/1 "2008-09-11T18:23:41Z")
I’m a little bit confused about the amount of pheros to use when you’re 56. I’ve read through all the threads on this Forum and I understand that I should be applying a greater amount of pheromones to compensate for the loss of my natural production of pheromones. My confusion arose because some say a guy should use LESS if your target is young women (say age 20 -30) and use MORE if your target is older women (ages 40+). Could some of the more experienced users set me clear on this? BTW, I’m in the “testing mode” right now trying to determine what is my mix. I currently have the To-Go sizes of Ammo, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and IS. Any suggestions? Thanks, everyone. ---
**Author:** ![in\_uk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/in_uk/32/2130_2.png) [@in\_uk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/in_uk)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 6:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/2 "2008-09-11T18:32:00Z")
thats a good question, but im not experienced to answer. i would also like to know if you need more for older women and less for younger. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/3 "2008-09-11T18:37:18Z")
Younger women tend to have more sensitive noses then their older counterparts - you need less because they can sense it better. The older a guy gets the less natural mone production he has - the more artificial he needs to stand out. My educated guess is that a guy will need more -mones progressively from 18 and on, while females will sense [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) better and better until they reach 30-35 (sexual peak) and then progressively worse from then on. (I could be wrong about the 30-35… but it would make sense that as they reach their sexual peak a species would become more sensitive to something important towards reroduction) ---
**Author:** ![in\_uk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/in_uk/32/2130_2.png) [@in\_uk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/in_uk)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 6:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/4 "2008-09-11T18:43:07Z")
good answer, reps. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 6:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/5 "2008-09-11T18:47:12Z")
For the most part that bit is in reference to androstenone, saying relative to your personal dosage, you will want to increase your dosage for older women and decrease the dosage for younger women. On a younger man, the increase in dosage might be 5 mcgs for older women, and the decrease takes it down to no -none at all. On a mddle aged man, that might translate to 10 mcgs of older women, and the decrease might be around 5 mcgs. And so forth, however, those are very rough estimates and you should take the time to learn your personal sweet spot as it is completely dependant on your natural chemistry. For you, you may find that your sweet spot is at 12.5 mcgs. Older women might want more, younger women might be a little put off, so you could decrease it. Ultimately you need to find what works for you, but the general concept remains the same. Out of the products you have, Ammo is the only one that contains -none. [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Shine can be worn with no worry of OD for the most part. Just find your sweet spots with them. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/6 "2008-09-11T19:04:21Z")
Great question Sundance! First let’s differentiate between the androstenone products and the others. Get Turn Up The Heat and AMMO in the heavy concentrations. You are over 35 and that’s why they make those two in heavy concentrations. -None levels tend to drop as we age and as it’s the one that says to fertile women “I’m the guy to mate with”. An older guy with a strong -none signature is very different from a young guy with one. He’s seen as either more sexual or creepy. Which one depends much more on you than the amount you are wearing. A younger man is just seen as more dangerous the more he wears and they are starting from a higher baseline. Do you have to wear a lot? No. CAN you get by with wearing a lot? Depends on you. Start low and work up. “A lot” to me means 15 mcg (3 sprays of either heavy AMMO or heavy TUTH) and up. For a daily baseline 5 to 10mcg. As far as all the other products, you are in the same boat as everybody else. Test test test. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/7 "2008-09-11T19:15:38Z")
Renny’s done a great jhob of answering the question, and provided great advice as usual! I’m just going to step in and make a correction on the reason for using lower levels of None on younger women: It has nothing to do with sense of smell. The reason younger women cannot handle the higher levels of None that older women can, is that are usually not as comforatble about sex, their own sexuality and of sexual situations as older women are. High levels of None can be very intimidating and confusing to to a young girl. While women in their late thirties and forties are usually a whole lot more comfortable with themselves, their sexuality and about sex in general. However, I’ve seen more than a few very promiscious girls in their early twenties ready to explode over high levels of None, and I’d be willing to bet that if you exposed a forty something year old lady that had just come out of a sexually abusive relationship to nearly any level of None, it could send her running. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 7:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/8 "2008-09-11T19:21:53Z")
> [@sundance](#): > > I’m a little bit confused about the amount of pheros to use when you’re 56. > > I’ve read through all the threads on this Forum and I understand that I should be applying a greater amount of pheromones to compensate for the loss of my natural production of pheromones. My confusion arose because some say a guy should use LESS if your target is young women (say age 20 -30) and use MORE if your target is older women (ages 40+). Could some of the more experienced users set me clear on this? > > BTW, I’m in the “testing mode” right now trying to determine what is my mix. I currently have the To-Go sizes of Ammo, Instant Openness and IS. Any suggestions? > > Thanks, everyone. Yes i am closer to 60 than 50 and have been using [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) for over 10 years and i have tested out so many that i’v lost count. But i do not have any problems with wearing a substantial application of Androstenone of say 20 mcg, my results are really pleasing and works well on me with young women and also those around 40. If i was spraying Ammunition alone then i could spray on at least 5 or 6 regular sprays. And if you are not wanting so much fragrance with the applications then get some Ammunition double strength and spray it at 3 or 4 sprays. I usually aim for 20 mcg Androstenone applications and then for excellent results i use some added aNOL/aRONE . ( SOE ) @ 30" So therefore Ammunition would be a good all round product for you. I have noticed that starting out with 7 regular sprays for a full nights outing could be a little overpowering to the sensitivities of the sweet asian girls but after an hour or two your invisability to them will alter somewhat to one of attraction. But your initial application rate will score points with women around 40 and also give you an amount of discernable respect and awe from the younger white males and females. I would work with each product individually so as to get a good idea of the basic characteristics of each and what application amounts to suit you. Try the IS alone for some social interactions, I had good results with spraying several sprays on the back of each hand when at meetings, and when resting the hand on the targets shoulders they get a good whiff and notice something special is with you. If you decide to use the Instant Openness with the Ammo then cut back the Ammo to a couple of sprays only or vice versa. But i recon some Ammo worn alone at 5 or 6 regular sprays will get positive results, and a spray or two IS to the back of the touch hand would be of an advantage. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/9 "2008-09-11T20:13:28Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Renny’s done a great jhob of answering the question, and provided great advice as usual! > > I’m just going to step in and make a correction on the reason for using lower levels of None on younger women: > > It has nothing to do with sense of smell. The reason younger women cannot handle the higher levels of None that older women can, is that are usually not as comforatble about sex, their own sexuality and of sexual situations as older women are. > > High levels of None can be very intimidating and confusing to to a young girl. While women in their late thirties and forties are usually a whole lot more comfortable with themselves, their sexuality and about sex in general. > > However, I’ve seen more than a few very promiscious girls in their early twenties ready to explode over high levels of None, and I’d be willing to bet that if you exposed a forty something year old lady that had just come out of a sexually abusive relationship to nearly any level of None, it could send her running. I guess I had the wrong impression from the posts I had read - Thanks for the clarification Mark - On that note I still think sexual peaks factor into the equation somehow ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 10:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/10 "2008-09-11T22:17:27Z")
Sundance, Welcome to the world! You have probably noticed by now that this place is full people who are friendly, helpful, intelligent, articulate,… Well, you get the idea. Hell, even the young bucks around here aren’t so puffed up that they can’t admit when they’re wrong. That’s always a good sign. Mark is right that somewhere 40ish [pheromone](https://a314.com/) response becomes more and more individual. The response in both you and the women around you become more experiential and more influenced by social context. It made huge difference in my understanding when I read Renny’s thread [Congruence? What's That?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/congruence-whats-that/9805) ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/11 "2008-09-11T23:02:42Z")
Not a problem Wrlprchnx, I will agree that a womens sexual peak probably does have have an impact on phero effects, but also take into consideration that by the time a woman is starting to peak she has likely also become comfortable in her sexuality, and I think that probably has something to do with a womans sexual peak. I knew a 26 year old girl who had already had over 150 sexual partners. Yeah you heard right 150, at least the was the number that she bragged about. You could wear extremely high levels of None around her and never get a bad reaction. And, I knew another 20 year old that was also quite promiscious, and once again, the higher None levels I wore the more intimate she’d become. Then again I’ve had 30 and 35 year old women ghost me when my None signature was pretty low. ---
**Author:** ![flabrother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a698b9/32.png) [@flabrother](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flabrother)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/12 "2008-09-11T23:54:45Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Renny’s done a great jhob of answering the question, and provided great advice as usual! > > I’m just going to step in and make a correction on the reason for using lower levels of None on younger women: > > It has nothing to do with sense of smell. The reason younger women cannot handle the higher levels of None that older women can, is that are usually not as comforatble about sex, their own sexuality and of sexual situations as older women are. > > High levels of None can be very intimidating and confusing to to a young girl. While women in their late thirties and forties are usually a whole lot more comfortable with themselves, their sexuality and about sex in general. > > However, I’ve seen more than a few very promiscious girls in their early twenties ready to explode over high levels of None, and I’d be willing to bet that if you exposed a forty something year old lady that had just come out of a sexually abusive relationship to nearly any level of None, it could send her running. With this same line of thought. Would that mean Latin women are more comfortable with sexual situations and their sexuality since they tend to be attracted to high levels of None? ---
**Author:** ![flabrother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a698b9/32.png) [@flabrother](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flabrother)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 12:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/13 "2008-09-12T00:08:27Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Renny’s done a great jhob of answering the question, and provided great advice as usual! > > I’m just going to step in and make a correction on the reason for using lower levels of None on younger women: > > It has nothing to do with sense of smell. The reason younger women cannot handle the higher levels of None that older women can, is that are usually not as comforatble about sex, their own sexuality and of sexual situations as older women are. > > High levels of None can be very intimidating and confusing to to a young girl. While women in their late thirties and forties are usually a whole lot more comfortable with themselves, their sexuality and about sex in general. > > However, I’ve seen more than a few very promiscious girls in their early twenties ready to explode over high levels of None, and I’d be willing to bet that if you exposed a forty something year old lady that had just come out of a sexually abusive relationship to nearly any level of None, it could send her running. Mark, with this line of thought.. Would the reason Latin women respond so well to higher levels of none be because they are really in touch with their sexuality and more comfortable with sex? ---
**Author:** ![flabrother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a698b9/32.png) [@flabrother](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flabrother)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/14 "2008-09-12T00:24:05Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Renny’s done a great jhob of answering the question, and provided great advice as usual! > > I’m just going to step in and make a correction on the reason for using lower levels of None on younger women: > > It has nothing to do with sense of smell. The reason younger women cannot handle the higher levels of None that older women can, is that are usually not as comforatble about sex, their own sexuality and of sexual situations as older women are. > > High levels of None can be very intimidating and confusing to to a young girl. While women in their late thirties and forties are usually a whole lot more comfortable with themselves, their sexuality and about sex in general. > > However, I’ve seen more than a few very promiscious girls in their early twenties ready to explode over high levels of None, and I’d be willing to bet that if you exposed a forty something year old lady that had just come out of a sexually abusive relationship to nearly any level of None, it could send her running. I’ve tired to reply to this 3 times and it didnt work.. hope this works!!! Mark, with this line of thought.. Why do Latin women respond so well to None? Is it because they’re more comfortable with their sexualty and sex? ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 1:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/15 "2008-09-12T01:06:46Z")
> [@flabrother](#): > > With this same line of thought. Would that mean Latin women are more comfortable with sexual situations and their sexuality since they tend to be attracted to high levels of None? I don’t know that they are more comfortable with their sexuality, I think it’s due more to Latin Men tending to produce higher levels of None than Caucasians, and that’s what they’ve become acclimated to. The opposite would be Asian women who in general cannot handle much Androstenone, most likely because Asian men tend to naturally produce lesser amounts than other races. ---
**Author:** ![flabrother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a698b9/32.png) [@flabrother](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flabrother)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/16 "2008-09-12T01:14:47Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > I don’t know that they are more comfortable with their sexuality, I think it’s due more to Latin Men tending to produce higher levels of None than Caucasians, and that’s what they’ve become acclimated to. > > The opposite would be Asian women who in general cannot handle much Androstenone, most likely because Asian men tend to naturally produce lesser amounts than other races. Nicely put. I see what where you’re coming from. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 1:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/17 "2008-09-12T01:37:40Z")
This has been discussed before and if I remember right there was also a line of thought that it was more a cultural phenomenon than particularly racial. After all there is a wide racial range among Latins and a wide -none tolerance among Asians. Cultures with larger more tightly knit families were thought more tolerant of -none than those with smaller more nuclear families. Lots of brothers, cousins, and uncles in close proximity leads to more comfort around men generally. Whether they are comfortable in a sexual situation would still depend on individual experience. > [@What works best on older blond Asian women, with a limp?????](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-works-best-on-older-blond-asian-women-with-a-limp/7468): > > Often we report effectiveness of a compound or a mix, and tend to sort our data and perceptions along racial or physical lines. For instance, “it had a strong effect on blonds” or “Hispanics responded strongly to this mix.” There are multiple ways to sort our experiences, and sometimes I think that we may be conceptualizing the observable responses to pheromone exposure in a less than optimal manner. I have a strong suspicion that personality factors have as strong or greater influence than th… Great thread by a great poster! ---
**Author:** ![sundance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@sundance](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sundance)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/18 "2008-09-12T01:52:11Z")
I want to thank all you fine gentlemen for your responses and suggestions. I’m having fun on this journey even though I’ve just started. Perhaps I’ll be able to share some of my interesting, and I hope incredible, experiences with you very shortly. Again, thank you for your help. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/19 "2008-09-12T17:30:27Z")
> [@renny](#): > > This has been discussed before and if I remember right there was also a line of thought that it was more a cultural phenomenon than particularly racial. After all there is a wide racial range among Latins and a wide -none tolerance among Asians. > > Cultures with larger more tightly knit families were thought more tolerant of -none than those with smaller more nuclear families. Lots of brothers, cousins, and uncles in close proximity leads to more comfort around men generally. Whether they are comfortable in a sexual situation would still depend on individual experience. > > [What works best on older blond Asian women, with a limp?????](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-works-best-on-older-blond-asian-women-with-a-limp/7468) > > Great thread by a great poster! I am one that believes in the cultural aspect. Latin culture encourages feminity in women and masculinity in men, not really the case in some Asian cultures. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297/20 "2008-09-12T18:24:24Z")
The promiscuity thing is an interesting angle - I’ve found the -none products (with the exception of A314) to be very hit and miss around my LTR (who is 32) - sometimes it hits bang on and sometimes they make her very tense - I wonder if perhaps she is actually quite sensitive to -none but just very comfortable with me? (The reason this relates to promiscuity is because her total of sexual partners is 1 - I.E. not very promiscuous) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/older-gentleman-seeking-advice-on-strength/19297.md?page=2)