# On crutches in LA clubs: Shine, A314 and -none mix draws women, but men interfere **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 24, 2008, 1:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/on-crutches-in-la-clubs-shine-a314-and-none-mix-draws-women-but-men-interfere/23223 "2008-11-24T13:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 1:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/on-crutches-in-la-clubs-shine-a314-and-none-mix-draws-women-but-men-interfere/23223/1 "2008-11-24T13:35:41Z")
Long time no chat people. So here’s the problem, I just recently had surgery on my knee, going to have another one on my hip (yep still fucked up from the car accident). So now Im back on crutches… But don’t get me wrong, this hasn’t kept me from hitting the LA life style. However, I am noticing that my Ishine, A314 and none (dash of spaceland) mix is attracting the ladies, but I am having a hard time keeping them around (after the set has been open for about an hour). Also, because of my mixture, too many males are ‘interfering’ with my game. I open up a set, and next thing I know, it’s like a big spotlight or neon arrow goes on and everyone at the club wants to chat my set up. Men that were just sitting there with their arms crossed, now have the ‘guts’ to come approach the ladies Im talking to (in a sleezy low key spy type of way) wtf gives? I think I know where the problem is lying…I have a broken wing, this may not be ‘desirable’ to some ladies on the hunt and weaker to other males, giving them the confidence to scavenge around me. Another thing that sucks is, I am getting one up’d so they are accomplishing their goals on my behalf, not cool. I know it’s not my conversation because I can roll tongue charm with the best of them, I just have no idea why other males are violating my sets, in some cases, I get distracted by one, while the other slowly moves in on my set, next thing I know, the girl is gone, either because she is now annoyed by the flood of men, or, because her attention gets grabbed to the new people. Im not sure what Im doing wrong, everything seems the same except my broken wing, What do you guys think? What should I get to counter these 2 issues? I was thinking IG or IH? I think my IShine is attracting these nutters to me too, because it’s not like they just ignore me and ask the girl right next to me if they want a drink (even tho Im clearly there talking to her) but more so they pal me up, convo gets started, me being the rambler that I am, start getting into the convo, and poof, either his wing man steals the deal like a hyena or I ramble so much the girl feels neglected and just leaves her own set and ventures off or she just isn’t feeling the now triple number of men that are surrounding her. I can’t wear too much A314, because that might put too much space on the wrong target (the girl). I need something that will help me establish comfort 2 (C2) to Seductive (S1) Let me know what you guys think. ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 1:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/on-crutches-in-la-clubs-shine-a314-and-none-mix-draws-women-but-men-interfere/23223/2 "2008-11-24T13:56:50Z")
Hey, you’ve been around a lot longer than me but to my mind, ditch the Shine and go for an ammo/IFM combo?? As I understand it, the club scene in LA is pretty competitive hence the hyena/wingman game. Maybe go with one of the ‘focus’ putatives to keep your attention on the girl? ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 2:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/on-crutches-in-la-clubs-shine-a314-and-none-mix-draws-women-but-men-interfere/23223/3 "2008-11-24T14:20:07Z")
> [@diamond](#): > > Hey, you’ve been around a lot longer than me but to my mind, ditch the Shine and go for an ammo/IFM combo?? > > As I understand it, the club scene in LA is pretty competitive hence the hyena/wingman game. Maybe go with one of the ‘focus’ putatives to keep your attention on the girl? You are very correct about the competitiveness of L.A. I have the components to make [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) myself, IFM is a good choice. Maybe an IFM, IH, IG, IS, -none mix? -nols are breaking focuses in the group, and making everyone too ‘free’ to walk on my sets. It’s great for opening, but thats not where the problem lies… ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 4:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/on-crutches-in-la-clubs-shine-a314-and-none-mix-draws-women-but-men-interfere/23223/4 "2008-11-24T16:46:54Z")
Hello Examine - good to see you back. Thought we had lost you. Sorry to hear you still have surgeries to go from the accident. That sucks. Hope it all goes well. I think you are on track. I have played a lot with [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), IH and/or Ishine and TUTH combos and gotten solid results. Keeping my marriage vows intact of course. I have also worked some with IFM and IShine combos. Works very well in the family. I have not tried it extensively out and about but I should. If would say to: First, drop the IShine. I think you are right and it is too inviting to other males. Second, maybe up the A314 a little. I know you are worried about the distance but if you add in Instant Gentleman it should warm it up a little, plus the IFM and IH will do their thing. But I think upping the A314 a little ought to help push the vultures away. My two cents worth. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 10:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/on-crutches-in-la-clubs-shine-a314-and-none-mix-draws-women-but-men-interfere/23223/5 "2008-11-24T22:07:23Z")
Hey Examine, it’s always good to see your posts. You have a lot of well wishers here. I think Boss is right about upping the A314 some. If you have some TAL that may help to allie the women to you. It really sucks that these scavengers would double team you like that. A small bit of TAL might help put the ladies on your team so to speak. Maybe even go with the intention of getting a “winggirl” to help deal with these guys…just a thought. Best to you and good luck with the surgery(s).