# One night, one man, Instant Honesty

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/one-night-one-man-instant-honesty/189807>\
**Category:** Lounge\
**Created:** [June 2, 2007, 4:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/one-night-one-man-instant-honesty/189807 "2007-06-02T04:20:42Z")\
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**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 2:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/one-night-one-man-instant-honesty/189807/9 "2007-06-04T02:05:20Z")

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> [@Carrie](#):
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> Can anyone link me to evidence that gay men respond like straight women to Androstadienone? and can anyone on the forum testify to this response firsthand?

Heya Carrie! _waves_ How have you been?

Here’s the study that itwow posted here on Pherotalk: [A1, EST in straight men, gay men and women](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-est-in-straight-men-gay-men-and-women/80)

My testimony – which, like any evidence might ‘support’ but not ‘prove’ – is that some homosexual men do respond positively to A1, with clear signals of sexual arousal. But there’s also plenty of non-evidence (j/k) because a good percentage of the gay men who I’ve observed either covered their response or did not have a response to cover.

> [@Carrie](#):
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> … do we have _any_ idea how a bisexual man would respond to androstadienone?

I don’t think there’s a categorical response for bisexual men, or, for that matter, for homosexual men. If we’re going to make well-qualified statements about A1, then I think the categorical statement  
“_Let H0 be the group of all males who have a history of overt homosexual activity, then for every h in H0, every exposure to A1 produces noticeable sexual arousal._”  
will be easily proved false. Some men with a history of homosexual activity (which would include bisexuals) are not going to respond to A1 at all, and some will respond like heterosexual guys – and for some, whether they respond or not will depend on how well they’ve slept, or how much they’ve had to drink, or how long it’s been since they had sex to orgasm … So it seems more realistic to me to say  
“_Let H0 be the group of all males who have a history of overt homosexual activity, then there is statistically significant proportion of h in H0 for whom exposure to A1 sometimes produces noticeable sexual arousal._”  
describes the higher likelihood of A1 arousal in both “homosexual” and “bisexual” males. AFAIK, saying more than that is pushing the current research / evidence farther than it can go.

(My personal observation is that I’m not **aware** of responding to A1 at all – neither depressed nor aroused. I’ve loved men and women both, sexually and romantically, so I think I qualify as bisexual for the purposes of this discussion.)

In any case, I don’t think there is any possible harm in Tim’s wearing A1  
around his friend … unless you’d consider “arousal followed by panic reaction” to be “harm” (which case seems pretty unlikely, since he knows Tim is gay and remains his friend.)

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