# Openess vs CTTM2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 17, 2007, 12:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706 "2007-05-17T00:03:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jimbo5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e7dd6/32.png) [@jimbo5](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimbo5)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 12:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706/1 "2007-05-17T00:03:50Z")
Hey, I’ve gotten little results with my previous pheremones and I’m just really looking to make girls eager to chat, generally once im in solid conversation i can take it from there. I was thinking about getting A314, and either Instant openess or CTTM2, is CTTM just for women? how does it stack up compared to openess ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 12:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706/2 "2007-05-17T00:44:09Z")
i’ve been curious about instant openess vs. CTTM2 also. ---
**Author:** ![m3turbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m3turbo)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 12:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706/3 "2007-05-17T00:53:12Z")
I too would like to know the difference between CTTM2 and Instant Openess or Intant Honesty for that matter. I think CTTM2 is just higher dosages of the same stuff but I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![24isnotM24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/c57346/32.png) [@24isnotM24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/24isnotM24)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 11:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706/4 "2007-05-18T11:53:54Z")
Instant openness is 80/20 Alpha/betanol with a few putative s to keep everything rounded . Instant honesty is 80/20 Beta/alphanol with a few putatives or [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) to keep it rounded. CTTM2 is straight 50/50 alpha/beta with no extras. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706/5 "2007-05-18T15:08:27Z")
> [@Matthew24](#): > > Instant openness is 80/20 Alpha/betanol with a few putative s to keep everything rounded . Instant honesty is 80/20 Beta/alphanol with a few putatives or pheromones to keep it rounded. Come Talk To Me Mix 2 is straight 50/50 alpha/beta with no extras. interesting… do u have an idea which putatives? for some reason im skeptical that CTTM2 is _only_ alpha and beta-nol. gegogi said that it outperformed his own chemset brew with the exact same ingredients. maybe it has a major dose of p79 in it for the boost. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706/6 "2007-05-18T17:01:12Z")
> [@jojobiz](#): > > for some reason im skeptical that Come Talk To Me Mix 2 is _only_ alpha and beta-Androstenol. gegogi said that it outperformed his own chemset brew with the exact same ingredients. maybe it has a major dose of p79 in it for the boost. 😕 That may be due to better quality (purity) of ingredients and better diffusion. I doubt P79 can be added to any feel good communication oriented mixes without making it too heavy for it’s own good. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 5:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706/7 "2007-05-18T17:10:52Z")
It _is_ just alpha and beta nol. I swear! That’s just the difference between American synthesized pheros and pheros from Chinese or unknown descent. And the difference in diffusion packages. And anal retentive dosing. And … _maybe_ a partridge in a pear tree, too. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 5:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706/8 "2007-05-18T17:11:55Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > That may be due to better quality (purity) of ingredients and better diffusion. I doubt P79 can be added to any feel good communication oriented mixes without making it too heavy for it’s own good. Dammit! You’re not allowerd to respond while I’m already typing the same response! No fair, Nbully!!!😃😃😮 ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 5:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706/9 "2007-05-18T17:54:11Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Dammit! > > You’re not allowerd to respond while I’m already typing the same response! No fair, Nbully!!!😃😃😮 Cho Chorryyyyy!😃 ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 7:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706/10 "2007-05-18T19:14:10Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Cho Chorryyyyy!😃 ROFLMAO ~~~~~~~ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 8:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706/11 "2007-05-18T20:06:08Z")
I cut my chemset -nols with cologne (5:1 as I recall) and probably diluted it too much. To get a good dose I’d turn into that cologne guy… Sometime this summer I’ll try a small batch with 1:1 nols and cologne. The chemset nols are from South African, Croy or Kroy (sorry don’t have the bottles with me.). I have some nols from the unmentionable company but have only dabbed it so far. ---
**Author:** ![bronzie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@bronzie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bronzie)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 9:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706/12 "2007-05-18T21:39:00Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I have some nols from the unmentionable company let me guess? blubbercomerect? ---
**Author:** ![CharliePrinceBKNY](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/charlieprincebkny/32/5174_2.png) [@CharliePrinceBKNY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CharliePrinceBKNY)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/openess-vs-cttm2/3706/13 "2008-02-14T18:41:23Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > It _is_ just alpha and beta Androstenol. I swear! > > That’s just the difference between American synthesized pheros and pheros from Chinese or unknown descent. > > And the difference in diffusion packages. > > And anal retentive dosing. > > And … _maybe_ a partridge in a pear tree, too. 🙂 what scent does CTTM2 use..? I like it better than IS/IH.. first spray today since my package arrived after lunch, gonna try it out tonight at class, see how the girls act