# OPINION NEEDED - just bought some pheromones - going to test it out tomorrow **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 18, 2006, 12:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187 "2006-12-18T00:37:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mercury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@mercury](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mercury)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2006, 12:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/1 "2006-12-18T00:37:50Z")
so this is kind of a field report of sorts. i will keep you guys updated on exactly what my experiences will be tomorrow. [Pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) i have: -TURN UP THE HEAT -ALPHA A314 -a sample bottle of INSTANT SHINE version 1.1 strength 1X -a sample bottle of INSTANT HONESTY version 1.0 strength 2X and some old stock of PHERLURE (which in honesty, doesnt give me that much of an advantage) now my question which of these should i use first or use in combination with each other? what would you recommend i put on first? i am also well versed in the PICK UP ARTS so i will definately be mingling with people when i go out, as in cold appraoches. i approach around 5-6 sets a night without even thinking about it. So i guess my confidence would naturally be be high already. I think one of my main flaws (or watever) is that im shorter than most average hot women. So i guess its harder for me to attract them. Anyways let me know what you guys think i should use in conjuction with each other. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2006, 12:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/2 "2006-12-18T00:52:03Z")
-TURN UP THE HEAT -ALPHA A314 -a sample bottle of INSTANT SHINE version 1.1 strength 1X -a sample bottle of INSTANT HONESTY version 1.0 strength 2X Since you are small i would apply 1 drop of A314. I would also apply this: 2.2 sprays of IS + 1.7 sprays of IH + 2 sprays of TUTH. (I did a long mathematical equasion to get this right, i also factored in the fact that the sample bottles have slightly smalled sprays šŸ˜ƒ and that one of them is x 2) IMO, this is a great mix, you shoudl wait for more opinions though. ---
**Author:** ![mercury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@mercury](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mercury)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2006, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/3 "2006-12-18T02:16:12Z")
wow! i didnt expect a mathematical answer, damn you guys must really be serious about this stuff. i really cant wait now. and yes please i am open to as much opinions as possible. i would like to learn more about these stuff, field report it and hopefully help others in my quest to find that formula for instant attraction. im prety serious about the pick up arts, i have read countless materials (including the venusian arts, the game, double your dating, the system and other articles), approached countless women (mostly cold approaches) and am always looking for a way to improve myself thus my interest in these pheromones. I want to be able to approach a woman and ATTRACT her instantly within 10-20 minutes of chatting. I have totally reformed myself from a total geek, (i couldnt even look at a girl in the eye before, let alone talk to her!). oh and im around 5ā€™5 or 5ā€™6 asian lookin guy. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2006, 2:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/4 "2006-12-18T02:28:03Z")
I donā€™t want to quash your enthusiasm for the mix that thomas outlined, but you might want to consider having your own ā€œtest and varyā€ methodology. One simple way to do that is to use one product at a time. You can test drive each one by it self, get a feel for what happens and how ā€¦ the kinds of responses you can anticipate. You can change things around if you get tired of the ā€œone-noteā€. Then, after you get ā€œorientedā€ to each element, you might try a ā€œsymphonicā€ mix like thomasā€™s. Or, you might start with the symphonic mix, and then **repeat** that mix several times, until you get a handle on the dynamics, then adjust one element of the mix at a time. Thatā€™s the approach Iā€™m taking with pheros at work ā€“ two weeks with one drop only of A314 and some SPACELAND ā€“ every day, same way, for two weeks. On the other hand, there is something to be said for some random fun. Thatā€™s my plan for social use of pheros ā€“ a little of this, some of that, and ā€¦ Oh, sure, why not, a bit of that too, and cover it all with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), heh! Your mileage may vary, and I donā€™t suspect there is a ā€œone right wayā€ for you to start. But we wish you luck, well and truly, with the hope that youā€™ll share news of anything that works for you, or that we might want to avoid. Let us know! ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2006, 2:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/5 "2006-12-18T02:43:05Z")
Welcome aboard and good luck! ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2006, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/6 "2006-12-19T17:18:26Z")
How old are you Mercury? And what are you going for with [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) use? ---
**Author:** ![Gem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Gem](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gem)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2006, 5:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/7 "2006-12-19T17:49:51Z")
> [@mercury](#): > > , > I think one of my main flaws (or watever) is that im shorter than most average hot women. So i guess its harder for me to attract them. Me too fella - donā€™t let it hold you backā€¦ Are you familiar with eliciting values? Find out what the real reason that a girl likes tall menā€¦ Is it becasue they make her feel more secure? becuase they remind her of her father? Because, she likes feeling small? Etc and act in a way that will maximise these feelings within her without needing the height - I.e if you discover that tall men make her feel protected them make sure you show her your alpha, capable, strong and leader of men sideā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2006, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/8 "2006-12-19T18:45:38Z")
> [@](#): > > I think one of my main flaws (or watever) is that im shorter than most average hot women. So i guess its harder for me to attract them. three quick thoughts on this a) a girl might tell you ā€œI donā€™t go out with guys shorter than meā€ as a sh\*t test - way of probing how confident and secure in yourself you are. you probably want to think through ahead of time how you will handle that. b) itā€™s my sense that people see men that they respect as larger than they physically are, whether that is a 'none brute dominance vibe or an A314 respect towards the leader vibe. ā€œheā€™s a big manā€ isnā€™t just a metaphor - might literally capture how people perceive you. try also experimenting with alpha body language and attitudes. (get some independent feedback - might be worth taking Feldenkrais or Alexander to improve posture and gait). c)this sounds really silly, but this advice was given in all seriousness by Style. Try to find ways to meet women sitting down. ---
**Author:** ![Gem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Gem](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gem)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2006, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/9 "2006-12-19T19:25:17Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > three quick thoughts on this > a) a girl might tell you ā€œI donā€™t go out with guys shorter than meā€ as a sh\*t test - way of probing how confident and secure in yourself you are. you probably want to think through ahead of time how you will handle that. > b) itā€™s my sense that people see men that they respect as larger than they physically are, whether that is a 'none brute dominance vibe or an A314 respect towards the leader vibe. ā€œheā€™s a big manā€ isnā€™t just a metaphor - might literally capture how people perceive you. try also experimenting with alpha body language and attitudes. (get some independent feedback - might be worth taking Feldenkrais or Alexander to improve posture and gait). > c)this sounds really silly, but this advice was given in all seriousness by Style. Try to find ways to meet women sitting down. I couldnā€™t have put it better myself ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2006, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/10 "2006-12-19T19:32:25Z")
Plus some women are uncomfortable or feel intimidated by men who are substantially taller than they areā€¦ What some perceive as a weakness may instead be an advantage. Play to it. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2006, 7:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/11 "2006-12-19T19:39:23Z")
> [@](#): > > I think one of my main flaws (or watever) is that im shorter than most average hot women. So i guess its harder for me to attract them. Is that all youā€™re worried about? Geeez, get over it. In my younger days (30ā€™s), I lived with this hot 6ā€™ 3" blond. Iā€™m 5ā€™ 9", she towered over me,šŸ˜® but on her back wasnā€™t any taller than me.šŸ™„ ---
**Author:** ![Chris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/chris/32/2267_2.png) [@Chris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Chris)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2006, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/12 "2006-12-19T19:42:25Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > Is that all youā€™re worried about? Geeez, get over it. Yeah, or ā€¦ get under it. At it, to it, with it. šŸ˜‰ Mercury, itā€™s not harder, just ā€¦ different. You rule. šŸ˜ƒ Chris. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 6:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/13 "2006-12-20T06:01:32Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > Is that all youā€™re worried about? Geeez, get over it. > > In my younger days (30ā€™s), I lived with this hot 6ā€™ 3" blond. Iā€™m 5ā€™ 9", she towered over me,šŸ˜® but on her back wasnā€™t any taller than me.šŸ™„ I guess thatā€™s the reason why they say sometimes you have to look into things from ā€œdifferent perspectiveā€!šŸ˜› šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![mercury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@mercury](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mercury)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 7:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/14 "2006-12-20T07:38:34Z")
thanx everyone for the reply. First of, i do have a confident aura surrounding me now since i started doing some pick up techniques and field testing. I think i am totally over rejection from complete strangers. I do however still suffer from a slight one-itis problem with this girl in my movie course. Shes an actress im a crew member. Shes very cute. I think i still have a chance with her as i didnt really make any advances. I am still in what you call the A2 phase and i need to start going into A3 material, but i just cant get her alone so i could. I do get IOIs from her alot. anyways thats beside the point. > [@sigma](#): > > How old are you Mercury? And what are you going for with pheromone use? ive just turned 23 and i am using pheromones to attract the opposite sex. Just 5 months ago i was a total AFC and i am trying to cross that long but interesting bridge into PUA status. So my main aim is to get a girlfriend pretty much. I have never been in a relationship and i was totally afraid of women before discovering any of the tenchniques i use now. Can you guys believe that? Im 23 and ive never had a g/f nor even kissed a girl. And the thing is im not ugly either. A few of my relatives no doubt think im gay and my dad was also getting worried. It also has alot to do with the fact im very picky. Anyways i dont want to bore you guys with my life story. But to cut the story short i am now so good around women its a joke! Just last night i was attracting some of the hottest chicks in this venue i was in. So cliff notes: i want to use pheromones to help my game and attract that special someone i can spend the rest of my life with šŸ˜› seriously tho i am not in this just to get laid i really do want to find ā€œthe oneā€ and i believe if i want to find her by the time im 28, i need to start looking now and attracting as many potential mates as possible. Then i will have more to choose from. oh and thanks heaps guys for the being short issue. I do have alot of vunrabilities about being short. I feel like im getting screened by most women because of my height. I want to maximise my chances and being short seems like its decreasing it. ---
**Author:** ![robbie5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ad7895/32.png) [@robbie5](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/robbie5)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2006, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opinion-needed-just-bought-some-pheromones-going-to-test-it-out-tomorrow/1187/15 "2006-12-21T00:25:08Z")
i want to use pheromones to help my game and attract that special someone i can spend the rest of my life with šŸ˜› seriously tho i am not in this just to get laid i really do want to find ā€œthe oneā€ and i believe if i want to find her by the time im 28, i need to start looking now and attracting as many potential mates as possible. Then i will have more to choose from. oh and thanks heaps guys for the being short issue. I do have alot of vunrabilities about being short. I feel like im getting screened by most women because of my height. I want to maximise my chances and being short seems like its decreasing it. Hi mate,sounds to me like youā€™re half way there in finding a woman.šŸ†’ Being only 23 and since you say you have not had a steady girl I think you should play the field and have some fun,youā€™ve got plenty time to settle down -I wouldnā€™t worry about my height if I were you either - its playing on your mind too much and probably screwing up your chat up! Remember also that girls seem to ā€˜pick upā€™ on guys who are ā€˜desperateā€™ too,you might find its when your not looking hard that you will find ā€˜the oneā€™.Good luck mate,let us know your progress with the phereos!šŸ™‚