# Order Received, Now Need A Push. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 13, 2013, 7:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733 "2013-04-13T07:39:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Omar182](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Omar182](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Omar182)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 7:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/1 "2013-04-13T07:39:10Z")
Hey all, I just received my order of ammo, instant openness, a314 (oil), and a to-go bottle of p102. Now what?! Lol. What’s the best combo of these things for my job as a medical device salesman? What about for NYC bar hopping and clubbing? And also what about daytime grocery store or Central Park excursions? Bear in mind I have never used any of these products before. What exactly is p102? An enhancer for my other products? I know, a bunch of questions. But any help from you beautiful people would be much appreciated! Thanks! -O ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 8:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/2 "2013-04-13T08:46:15Z")
A314 standalone is best for your job. Once you have your effective dose of A314, you might find [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and less A314 than normal a good bar/club mix at your age. Otherwise, Ammo alone, Ammo/IO are also good. The idea of Putatives is that you test them and tell us what you find. Again start singly, then in combination. ---
**Author:** ![Omar182](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Omar182](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Omar182)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 11:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/3 "2013-04-13T11:08:48Z")
Ok, I’m going to try ammo alone tonight as my first run. What’s the best place to apply it? ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/4 "2013-04-13T13:35:38Z")
I just tried P102…wife was all over me and we both wanted to sit together and talk. Things that normally irritate us both did NOT. ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 2:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/5 "2013-04-13T14:34:22Z")
A314 alone for work. I suggest IO and Ammo for day game. If you want you can give A314 and Ammo a go, but you will see that you need to be expert at leading if you are going to use this 🙂 Dont use A314 and IO together. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/6 "2013-04-13T16:37:21Z")
> [@Mysterion](#): > > A314 alone for work. > I suggest IO and Ammo for day game. If you want you can give A314 and Ammo a go, but you will see that you need to be expert at leading if you are going to use this 🙂 Dont use A314 and IO together. Why can’t you use those two together? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/7 "2013-04-13T17:25:13Z")
I take it you didn’t read all of the A314 store page then? 😉 IO (mainly Alphanol) is the product advised for toning down A314 - Which IME it does very effectively, to the point where using both together is pretty-much a waste of both products as they wreck each other most comprehensively. Use less A314 instead. If you want nol that’s good to use with A314, the mainly Betanol IH is the one to go for - Deepens the trust/bonding aspect of A314 no-end and forms the basis of many of the best fallout mixes. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/8 "2013-04-13T17:57:37Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I take it you didn’t read all of the A314 store page then? 😉 > > IO (mainly Alphanol) is the product advised for toning down A314 - Which IME it does very effectively, to the point where using both together is pretty-much a waste of both products as they wreck each other most comprehensively. Use less A314 instead. > > If you want nol that’s good to use with A314, the mainly Betanol IH is the one to go for - Deepens the trust/bonding aspect of A314 no-end and forms the basis of many of the best fallout mixes. I just read that it makes you seem friendlier. Maybe I misunderstood. I know that [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), A314, and TUTH are a monster. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/9 "2013-04-13T18:41:06Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > basis of many of the best fallout mixes. It is. Good, but subtle. The fallout is a bit time shifted. Did we decide it’s the IH (or the third ingredient) rather than straight betanol? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/10 "2013-04-13T19:42:30Z")
I’m not convinced its a single ingredient - More a combination with a “greater than the sum of its parts” effect. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/11 "2013-04-13T19:51:35Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I’m not convinced its a single ingredient - More a combination with a “greater than the sum of its parts” effect. Tell me more, please. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 7:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/12 "2013-04-14T07:40:09Z")
Well, there are certain pheros when used in specific combinations that seem to produce “fallout” effects on repeated exposure - These can include, wanting to monopolise your time, becoming unreasonably jealous at your giving others attention, missing you unduly, wanting to involve themselves in everything you do, regarding you as an absolute authority on everything and other signs that might suggest they are a bit gaga on you. So you can imagine how useful these combos can be in some situations - notably work and dating! Then this can develop or be steered further into the noted “crush effect” which is a far more romantic/sexual version of the same and the holy grail of phero use to some - Although I’d council against going for fallout all the time as it can be unpredictable and even downright difficult in people who are not in a place where they can get in so deep, or married/in relationships, or your boss or just someone you don’t want as a hanger-on. A314 and A314/IH is one phero/combo that can cause fallout in the broadest sense straight out of the bottle but if you have a search in here, there are other threads discussing combos that can also be useful to differing degrees in different mixes. ---
**Author:** ![Omar182](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Omar182](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Omar182)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 9:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/13 "2013-04-14T09:53:27Z")
I used Ammo last night for the first time. 2 sprays on one wrist/forearm and rubbed my arms together to spread it around. My friends and I went bar hopping in NYC, and while I didn’t necessarily notice any effects on others, I definitely felt a little different. Slightly more confident and upbeat if that makes sense. I guess the next step is using a little more and seeing what happens? Should I spray a different part of my body? On clothes or skin? Did I do something wrong? Noob needs advice! ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 10:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/14 "2013-04-14T10:37:55Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Well, there are certain pheros when used in specific combinations that seem to produce “fallout” effects on repeated exposure - These can include, wanting to monopolise your time, becoming unreasonably jealous at your giving others attention, missing you unduly, wanting to involve themselves in everything you do, regarding you as an absolute authority on everything and other signs that might suggest they are a bit gaga on you. > > So you can imagine how useful these combos can be in some situations - notably work and dating! > > Then this can develop or be steered further into the noted “crush effect” which is a far more romantic/sexual version of the same and the holy grail of phero use to some - Although I’d council against going for fallout all the time as it can be unpredictable and even downright difficult in people who are not in a place where they can get in so deep, or married/in relationships, or your boss or just someone you don’t want as a hanger-on. > > A314 and A314/IH is one phero/combo that can cause fallout in the broadest sense straight out of the bottle but if you have a search in here, there are other threads discussing combos that can also be useful to differing degrees in different mixes. I’ve done searches, but it can be a bit overwhelming. I have noticed that Instant shine and A314 are really all you need in the purest sense. How much is a fallout dosage? Its hard to say, I have always been somewhat “magnetic” no offense. Not my good looks, I’m like a small notch above average, but I have always had that issue. I think what I am really asking is the full on dope on [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) and A314 and not trying to hijack this man’s thread, but hoping to get more vauable info on A314 and Instant Shine. I have noticed how my wife’s attitude is better when I use both. I just want to know more. P102 seems to hit me more than anything. TUTH is a tad awkward, but useful. I think I’ll use less of it now. A314 seems to be the monster I have been searching for, but the question is “how much is too much?” Getting more A314 as soon as possible!!! ---
**Author:** ![Omar182](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Omar182](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Omar182)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 10:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/15 "2013-04-14T10:58:40Z")
Hijacking the thread is fine, as long as you still try to help and answer my questions from time to time haha. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 11:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/16 "2013-04-14T11:43:11Z")
> [@Omar182](#): > > Hijacking the thread is fine, as long as you still try to help and answer my questions from time to time haha. Great attitude man. If I have anything to help, I definitely will. I know that at 38yrs old, AMMO was pretty effective for a few things, but I found it a tad limited for what I wanted. I know that I was collecting stares from younger ladies as well as older. ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 12:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/17 "2013-04-14T12:56:04Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > Why can’t you use those two together? mobocaster explained. They’re like the opposites of each other. Using them combined is no good. But both are great products. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/18 "2013-04-15T04:09:24Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > I’ve done searches, but it can be a bit overwhelming. > > I have noticed that Instant shine and A314 are really all you need in the purest sense. > > How much is a fallout dosage? > > but the question is “how much is too much?” Here is one that was active recently: > [@Nuclear Fallout: Building a Pheremone WMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789): > > Comrades, I have been occupied these last few days perfecting a very special weapon in the Great Pheremone Arms Race. While members of this forum continue to brew mixes for meeting and attracting fine young ladies in social settings, I have taken it upon myself to pursure a slightly different kind of mix. Something catering to the less, shall we say, “sportsman like” sentimentality? A brew not meant to be wielded by soldiers on the front lines, storming bars and classrooms to chalk up a wanton … but search, there are several more. 🙂 Yes, that is a useful combo but there are others that may suit your situation better - A314/IH/IS is one that may be useful to you because of its fallout and deep bit pleasurable communication aspects. If she’s taking badly to TUTH, there may be an underlying communication/trust issue and this can help get to the bottom of it. Again, lots of info on A314/IS here if you search. Take time, read well and try to see what is doing best for guys around your age/situation. That all plays its part too. Doses do vary and some are better kept small, whilst others go large - you need to test to see what works for you. Also remember that **repeated exposure** is a critical part of developing fallout, so once you have a mix, you need to stick with it for a while. Too much - Again, you have to determine that for yourself. And remember that fallout combos are not always the most suitable - sometimes something simple and direct can be just as good. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/19 "2013-04-15T04:15:41Z")
> [@Omar182](#): > > I used Ammo last night for the first time. 2 sprays on one wrist/forearm and rubbed my arms together to spread it around. My friends and I went bar hopping in NYC, and while I didn’t necessarily notice any effects on others, I definitely felt a little different. Slightly more confident and upbeat if that makes sense. I guess the next step is using a little more and seeing what happens? Should I spray a different part of my body? On clothes or skin? Did I do something wrong? Noob needs advice! That’s not an unreasonable dose for your age but in bars/clubs, you can often need to go higher. Also, wrists/forearms are good but not first line application points - I’ve always found that it suits me best to have anything with none mainly on my neck/throat/upper chest (depending on clothing) area and socials mainly on my wrists/forearms but again, with any mix I’ll try to even it out a bit, with sexuals to mostly to the centre and socials mainly to the extremities, with some overlap. The only one I find I can split evenly between these points is A314. Think on how an interaction develops - you usually want the sexuals to have the strongest impact when you get physically close - and yes, I have had my app points get particular attention in bed. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 6:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/order-received-now-need-a-push/58733/20 "2013-04-15T06:41:10Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Here is one that was active recently: > > [Nuclear Fallout: Building a Pheremone WMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789) > > but search, there are several more. 🙂 > > Yes, that is a useful combo but there are others that may suit your situation better - A314/IH/IS is one that may be useful to you because of its fallout and deep bit pleasurable communication aspects. If she’s taking badly to TUTH, there may be an underlying communication/trust issue and this can help get to the bottom of it. Again, lots of info on A314/IS here if you search. Take time, read well and try to see what is doing best for guys around your age/situation. That all plays its part too. > > Doses do vary and some are better kept small, whilst others go large - you need to test to see what works for you. Also remember that **repeated exposure** is a critical part of developing fallout, so once you have a mix, you need to stick with it for a while. > > Too much - Again, you have to determine that for yourself. And remember that fallout combos are not always the most suitable - sometimes something simple and direct can be just as good. 🙂 No, TUTH is awkward for me. Sometimes I feel a little disoriented from it personally. She reacts well to it. Problem with IH, I don’t know if I want to hear people’s thoughts aloud. Nervous about that.