# Ordered IO, IH, Instant Shine, IFM and A314 at once: plans to test them all in 2006 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 29, 2005, 4:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72 "2005-12-29T04:02:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 4:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/1 "2005-12-29T04:02:46Z")
I just went nuts and ordered Instant openess, [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), Instant Shine, Instant first magic and A314!! I will be sure to keep you guys informed as to the effect of these products on me and I will be sure to extensively test these! I am Type O negative. In 2006 I have some major goals and one of the things I am experimenting with to reach those goals are pheromones. Personality improvements, appearance, clothes, lots of time in the gym, and picking up new hobbies rounds out the list. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 3:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/2 "2005-12-29T15:18:07Z")
on new years eve try this: rub 2 drops of a314 between your wrists and cover it with 1 spray of IFM, then 2 sprays of instant shine to your chest, 1 spray of instant honesty to both sides of your neck and 2 sprays of instant openess to your hair. you will be the first person ever to try that mix out but probably won’t be able to report back effectively because it is required to finish off the mix by drinking 2 shots of patron every hour on the hour until you pass out and have people lining up to make sharpie drawings on your face. 😃 anyway, if you aren’t brave enough to pioneer that mix it sounds like you have enough stuff there to create some of your own. 😉 have fun and have a safe new year ---
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/3 "2005-12-29T15:45:34Z")
That sounds like a solid mix but perhaps an OD? I dont think it would be because there are a lot of stabilizers in that mix and it has very little none in it. I wonder if I could get away with a little none too to or if I even need it??? ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 7:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/4 "2005-12-29T19:10:31Z")
ah, i was kinda sorta joking about that mix (well except of course for the patron 😃 ). you might OD the entire room or you might leave with all the women plus a few uncertains, it is your duty Fire and Ice, to be the everything but the kitchen sink mix pioneer and report back with your results. ---
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 8:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/5 "2005-12-29T20:41:32Z")
Heres the thing about that mix though. There is very little None in it. As long as the nol does not convert It should be ok. The alpha works as a stabalizer and if I keep it at two drops I cant imagine that being too much with the nol. IFM and IS are the wildcards. Although both are also suppose to support and work well to improve mixes. So if I keep it to one shot each and had 2 drops of A314 and can pull it off smell wise…that remains to be seen…than I am willin to give it a shot…probably not on a big night like that though!!lol ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 11:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/6 "2005-12-30T23:09:37Z")
> [@FIRE AND ICE](#): > > than I am willin to give it a shot…probably not on a big night like that though!!lol oh come on man, live a little. how many NYE parties will you ever get to hit up in your lifetime? do it for us, man! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2006, 4:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/7 "2006-01-02T16:47:36Z")
LOL!! Well I did not get my order yet (expect it early this week). I plan to try a similar combo this coming weekend. During the regular week I will look to test them individually. Regardless I had a great new years weekend (used perception which along with Chikara seem to be the best ones I have found so far) This week I will be running tests on Instant Openess during the work week. I will just keep providing tests and test results in this thread and by the time I am done I will have tested various combinations over prolonged periods in various circumstances and environments. ---
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 3:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/8 "2006-01-04T03:54:36Z")
Ok well today I got the mones in. This is a long post and it is a plya by play. If you have like 15 minutes to read it then go for it. If not you may get annoyed. **I did bold all the important points.** The first thing that I noticed is that the bottles were all very well designed and impressive looking. Everything was a spray bottle with the exception of the A314. None of them smell strongly at all…which makes me a little concerned because I know the smell of mones and they seem to have no mone smell at all. **The smells they do have are very subtle and pleasant**. 🙂 A **nother big thing I noticed was that the A314 has a well dispersed method for dosage drops. These bottles truely are well designed and allow for** **accurate dosage readings**. **This is important and very well done.** I was so excited that I did not stick to my plan to just test Instant Openess. lol. I will do that starting tomorrow though. Anyway **I pumped two drops out of A314 and put it on my neck. I also took a spray of Instant Openess to my hair. For good measure I pumped a spray of Instant Honesty on my neck.** Went in to schedule my hair and was immediately given undivided attention and treated well and professionally. I was asked if it would be ok to have my appointment at such and such time. Nothing really out of the ordinary with anything but the treatment was very formal and polite. **One big thing I did notice though was that I had kind of a buzz that was like drinking but more cool calm and controlled. I had a great sense of well being.** Next I went to LL BEAN. I noticed that people tended to pay quick attention to me and treat me very formally. Again not necessarily out of the ordinary cause it was LL BEAN. **The cashier struck up a conversation and appeared to enjoy my company. She asked me where I lived and started telling me how she used to live around there. She complemented the outfit I picked out. There were also some girls with their boyfriends and without that held eyecontact with me and some that smiled. All of this stuff was acceptable and good but really out of the ordinary.** Stopped in at Dunkin donoughts to buy some stuff and ask directions. I was treated very formally and they seemed eager to help me find my way. They were very polite and helpful. Again nothing too out of the ordinary. Collectively though everyone was being very helpful friendly and respectful to me. This is not necessarily out of the ordinary but collectively it was interesting. **Drove back for my haircut but before I went in I lost control and decided to add Instant Shine to the mix. I sprayed it in my hand and spread it on my face. It definately made me feel good and made me feel a calm and cool confidence and well being.** **Went in for haircut and the haircut girl started gabbing and never stopped. I was laughin she was laughin she dumped everything told me all kinds of things some of them personal. It was one of the best conversations I have ever ever had with someone I dont know. It was incredible. What really excited me was not only how great a mood I was in but how much more talkative I was. I was very talkative and comfortable where I am usually a bit self conscious or on the quiet side with strangers. As for her she was having a blast talking to me and just laughing at everything.** **Went to the mall and people are smiling at me. This is different than when I have none because its more subtle. I like it better though.** Its more of a feel good respect type vibe I was feeling. Went in to American Eagle and they took back a fleece for me and held it to the counter. Again everyone treating me very formally. I asked the guy if I could leave my fleece there while I left and come back to look around later and he was like “Of course you can” In a tone that was as if to say “You can do whatever you want who am I to tell you what to do”. Went into Filenes and ended up asking a girl where there was a cash register. She walked me to it and hand delivered it and even instructed the cashier to my service and helped him ring things up. She didnt leave till she saw to it I was all set. Went back into american eagle and collected some stuff to try on. **Everyone continued to treat me very respectfully and when they talked thier tones and words just conveyed that they felt I was important…Its subtle stuff but its consistant and it just felt good.** It was the equivalent of having a smoot good day. I found a shirt and it was a little small but there was no larger size. I came out and asked the girls that work there if they thought it was too small. She told me that if I wanted to dry it it would be too small and she would find me a larger one. I told her there were no larger ones but she insisted on looking. She came back with a large in the shirt I wanted but she brought me another shirt and said she wanted me to try it cause I would look good in it. It was the better shirt so I went with it. When I came out later all eyes and attention were on me from the staff. They asked me how it went and if I was happy with my clothes. The girl that rung me up remembered that I had brough a fleece in earlier and was like OMG they are so lucky I was still here to remember that!!! On the way outta the mall the shake guy flagged me down to give me a free shake!! So that is my update. **Obviously its too early to judge what does what or consistancy or anything really. I will say that I had a great day.** Whether it was coinsidence or not is still to be determined. I would have to say that I cannot believe that the haircut could have possibly been coinsidence. **I had a great day and I did indeed feel like I had a suit on and people were friendly too.** I will keep the updates coming but will probably not give any more play by plays unless its something I feel is valuable or interesting. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 9:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/9 "2006-01-04T09:25:44Z")
how much instant shine did you use? would you say the smiling was associated with shine, and wasn’t there before? thanks. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 1:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/10 "2006-01-04T13:23:17Z")
I’ve been quite busy the past few days, but just popping onto the forum real quick. Glad to see all your nice results! 🙂 Thanks for all the nice comments on the design. Every aspect of the products took tremendous amounts of time and research to produce. The mones definitely do have a scent, especially in A314 (anyone with the white cap version can attest to that). That’s part of the reason light fragrance is added. The Neroli in the sprays is excellent at masking odors in a pleasant way, as all citrus notes are. Pheromones help frame you (much like looks do or your clothing)… They “set you in a certain light” and introduce you before you introduce yourself with words or physical gestures. That’s what they do from the getgo, and you generally want to be act congruently with the pheromones (i.e., act friendly when you’re wearing friendly pheromones, act authoritative when you’re wearing A314, etc.). Beyond that, there’s also a ramp up that takes up to 15 or so (some mones take longer, 30-45 minutes) from your first contact with someone, where rapport and emotional charges buildup and start to peak. So there’s at least 2 stages of “pheromonal magic” (that I’ve noticed, anyway): the instant framing (like the first note of a song), and the slower burn/warming up (the buildup of a song)… the latter being what some might even all enchantment, depending on the mix. You especially notice the “enchantment” on dates, when getting your hair cut, longer buying experiences, walks. All the social experiences that last for more than a few seconds or a minute. It’s great that you tested the way you did, as you exposed yourself to both pheromonal stages. Aside from occasional buildup issues (mostly with -none), pheromones are pretty consistent when dosed. Mones + a good attitude will take you far. Again, they won’t always work as well when you’re incongruent (wearing happy pheromones while frowning, -none while acting submissive, etc.). Congruency is something picked up mostly by the unconscious mind (the part of your mind that beats your heart, blinks your eyes is the same part that makes snap judgements about people). Incongruency (which basically means “mismatching”) tends to generate actual feelings of unease in people around you. That’s how we tend to experience the “conclusions” of our unconscious minds sizing things up… as feelings or “intutions”. Feelings and intuitions are the tips of the unconscious iceberg that peak through and get our _conscious_ attention. **So, to sum up your day in a how to sort of format, your initial formula was:** 2 drops A314 to the neck (good area) 1 spray Instant Honesty to neck (might want to try wrists next time) 1 spray [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) to hair (a GREAT place for it!!) **Then later on…** 1 sprays Instant Shine to face (it’ll really affect you when applied anywhere near the face) Approximately how many hours did this occur over? If you have a sense of it, I’d like to know how long 'till the mones started generating good effects, and then how long those effects lasted. And, of course, the obligatory question: what flavor shake did you get? I sure love getting freebies and discounts from mones. 🙂 Heck, I just returned from a quick breakfast wearing an experimental version of Ammo (v1.4), and I got most of my breakfast free. I was even brought an extra order of fries and onion rings “by accident”, like I was some sort of food magnet! Ammo v1.4 is an unusual social mix because the waitress talked to everyone but me (overt avoidance), but _I got the freebies_. Interesting. It’s not meant as a broadband social mix, though, so it could be doing exactly what I want. Have to test it out in different social contexts. ---
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 1:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/11 "2006-01-04T13:53:36Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > how much instant shine did you use? would you say the smiling was associated with shine, and wasn’t there before? > > thanks. 1 SPRAY…Yes absolutely. I really like it but again…gotta test longer its 1 day here! ---
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 2:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/12 "2006-01-04T14:28:18Z")
The mones definitely do have a scent, especially in A314 (anyone with the white cap version can attest to that). That’s part of the reason light fragrance is added. The [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) in the sprays is excellent at masking odors in a pleasant way, as all citrus notes are. Approximately how many hours did this occur over? If you have a sense of it, I’d like to know how long 'till the mones started generating good effects, and then how long those effects lasted. And, of course, the obligatory question: what flavor shake did you get? I sure love getting freebies and discounts from mones. 🙂 I actually put the shine on a couple hours into the experiment after Dunkin Donughts and before the haircut. I felt a peppy high from the first application of Honesty Openness and A314…felt real happy. Also to note was that I felt very cool calm and collected. My movements all had purpose I felt together. Now I normally do not feel like a shambles but I really felt everything was in order and had a great sense of well being. The Shine just made me feel more carefree and confident but it was a subtle reserved confidence. The kind that is not over the top where you just know it and dont even feel the need to show it. I also noticed that time would slow down slightly. My free shake was strawberry. I have noticed immediate reactions within close range with people during my mone career. However the reactions that are most attributable to mones and are the most over the top do tend to be over a prolonged exposure. I wonder why for some it is immediate while others require time? I agree with the congruent statment to a degree too. However I do notice that friendly mones will reduce the negative vibe you may be sending out on a bad day. so they still help…just not as much. Also by the way…the feeling good lets up a little bit around 45 minutes into the application but it stayed with me to a degree until I went to bed 8 hours later. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 2:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/13 "2006-01-04T14:41:55Z")
The calm, cool and collected probably came from the A314 more than the [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/). The good feeling let up after 45 minutes of wearing A314+Instant Honest or Instant Shine? With myself, I’ve noticed over the top confidence at about 4-5 sprays of Shine. Again, when it comes to instant effects vs. prolonged, I think the music metaphor works very well. Music is very linear, and can hook you on the very first note. Some people it doesn’t hook until the first chorus. Others might need to listen to the whole song first, then find it echoing in their heads. Some people even find themselves mouthing the words to songs they don’t even like, but it somehow “hooked” them nonetheless. Yet others might not notice those kinds of songs at all, instead preferring long pieces of music. There’s not as many popular examples, as most people prefer songs that just a few minutes long. But there is classical, or, in modern times, something more like anthemic “trance”. With that kind of long music, the first note can grab you, but it’s the complex movement of notes over time that really moves you and makes you cry tears of joy. So bam… something sucks you in, then you get a full, encompassing effect later. Or Bam… Something gets your attention, and you get a cascading cresendo of joy later on. Why it works like this is why anything in the body works like this. While we’re capable of responding physiologically in an immediate way (we almost instantly size people up, for instance, on any number of conscious and unconscious data), there are some chemical changes in the body that take many minutes… some, even hours. It’s like getting to know people for the first time, without pheromones. They may like you for something small at first, like the way you dress or your smile, but it’s not like they’re going to seriously laugh or cry or have any other major human response to you the very first second they meet you. It takes time. Conversation. Making love, you don’t orgasm the first second, either. The first second of contact might be great, but the full effects take time. I’ve yet to notice pheromones that take hours to achieve full effect, though. There seems to be about a 10-15 minute average for most mixes, and a 30-45 minute max to achieve peak for some of the experimentals. ---
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 2:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/14 "2006-01-04T14:49:46Z")
With instant Openess/Honesty there is an initial spike in feeling. I feel it right now and its been almost 2 hours… The spike settles down and becomes a reserved underlying feeling that stays with you. The instant shine I am not sure how long it lasts. I can tell you that all of them alter you to some degree for an indefinate period…its just that the emotions it causes in me tend to stabalize and become more refined and laid back after the first hour or two. Today though it seems like that spike is staying longer than on yesterdays attempt. I can tell you this. For the second day in a row I feel real confident and good after application. If this stuff can make others feel this way with me than this is great stuff! ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 2:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/15 "2006-01-04T14:53:42Z")
> [@FIRE AND ICE](#): > > With instant Openess/Honesty there is an initial spike in feeling. I feel it right now and its been almost 2 hours… The spike settles down and becomes a reserved underlying feeling that stays with you. The instant shine I am not sure how long it lasts. I can tell you that all of them alter you to some degree for an indefinate period…its just that the emotions it causes in me tend to stabalize and become more refined and laid back after the first hour or two. Today though it seems like that spike is staying longer than on yesterdays attempt. I can tell you this. For the second day in a row I feel real confident and good after application. If this stuff can make others feel this way with me than this is great stuff! Yes, many people will feel good around you with [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Shine. Some of the impact is instant, some takes place over time. I’ve noticed somewhat of a crowding effect that occur with Shine, because healthy people NATURALLY move toward what makes them feel good. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 3:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/16 "2006-01-04T15:20:11Z")
I’ve yet to notice [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) that take hours to achieve full effect, though. There seems to be about a 10-15 minute average for most mixes, and a 30-45 minute max to achieve peak for some of the experimentals. beta-nol seems to take a bit longer than most to really kick in? ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 3:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/17 "2006-01-04T15:42:37Z")
have noticed this as well One of the great mistakes is to assume that you will see results with 5-15 minutes. Sometimes you do, sometimes it appears that nothing is happening. “Appears” is the operant concept here… one alternate possibility is that most people are experiencing life stresses on one or more levels and their thinking becomes locked into various thought loops and conceptual rigidities around those stresses. Few people are so free and elastic that they can reset their emotional states on the fly. In many cases there seems to be a latency period where the mind reorients itself in preparation for a new internal context… i.e. internally stressing out about work, relationship, health, family, then dropping all of that, or processing it in a new and different way, then becoming more externally focused. Or there are some types who are emotionally unavailable, self absorbed either through mild depression or egotism or just wrapped up in their head movies that take a while to snap out of it and join the universe. Sometimes this is the result of a combination of good social interaction skills and pheromones, where the pheromone by itself can’t turn a sow’s ear into a silk purse… OTOH, intelligent use of pheromones will, over time, enhance the social skills of the pheromone user because of the increased depth of interaction… so there is a synergistic learning curve here, you may attribute your success over time to the pheromones, where you may be overlooking your own increased social competence… then think, some months later, wow, this new pheromone is so good, and maybe it is, while you’ve gotten better too. I now think of pheromones as a role or a mask that deepens and intensifies some of my own qualities and allows me to concentrate my psychic energy in a very focused or productive way, and with others these energy foci may take hours or days to fully develop. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 4:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/18 "2006-01-04T16:00:57Z")
suppose you have an amazingly open, deep and almost intimate discussion with a girl you just met (or at least don’t know very well). what do you think goes through her mind afterwards? i mean i could imagine she could be left with a very positive impression of you and her interaction with you if she can find a way to rationalise it. but if her mental map is incongruous with how she feels i suppose she might feel strange about things. so I suppose it might sometimes be important as well as behaving in a way thats congruent with your pheromonal signature to indirectly hint at potential reasons for the openness and your good rapport that will stick in her head later on when she is going over things again. I don’t know. but as MHarris has pointed out I think it is key to find ways to strengthen congruence. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 4:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/19 "2006-01-04T16:05:05Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > Few people are so free and elastic that they can reset their emotional states on the fly. OTOH, intelligent use of pheromones will, over time, enhance the social skills of the pheromone user because of the increased depth of interaction… so there is a synergistic learning curve here, you may attribute your success over time to the pheromones, where you may be overlooking your own increased social competence… then think, some months later, wow, this new pheromone is so good, and maybe it is, while you’ve gotten better too. I now think of pheromones as a role or a mask that deepens and intensifies some of my own qualities and allows me to concentrate my psychic energy in a very focused or productive way, and with others these energy foci may take hours or days to fully develop. This seems very true. Many people seem to use ethanol as a learning tool also - using it to blunt the fear of talking to somebody unknown and potentially being rejected - and then acquiring more permanent social skills via trial and error. Not without its pitfalls, obviously. Beyond acting classes and NLP, any particular exercises or games you would suggest when moned up to improve one’s social competence? ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 4:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72/20 "2006-01-04T16:07:27Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > I’ve yet to notice pheromones that take hours to achieve full effect, though. There seems to be about a 10-15 minute average for most mixes, and a 30-45 minute max to achieve peak for some of the experimentals. > > beta-nol seems to take a bit longer than most to really kick in? I’ve seen blips of candidness fast, but, yes, it can take awhile substantial effects to develop. I’d say a minimum of 10-15, then another half an hour to develop. BNOL may be one that keeps developing even after that. I can remember times when intimacy ramped up for several hours after exposure. (but then, intimacy begets intimacy, as like always tend to beget like) I’ve also seen a conversation started off on a less than ideal footing turn around within 10-15 when wearing bnol, with another half an hour or so for obvious additional development. While there are always nearly instant reactions to all stimuli, it can take awhile to see the full effects of anything. To me, while there are always some quick effects, some of the most rewarding effects of pheromones occur over time. While I know people want results now, I’ve often told them it’s best to expect to see result on an actual date, a long walk, or other extended experience. Think of an especially long,emotionally moving piece of music. Even if you love it dearly, do you like it as much at the very beginning at you do 3/4s of the way in? Doubtless, you are moved more later in the experience. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ordered-io-ih-instant-shine-ifm-and-a314-at-once-plans-to-test-them-all-in-2006/72.md?page=2)