# Out of all you IS users **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 23, 2011, 8:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421 "2011-05-23T08:08:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 8:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/1 "2011-05-23T08:08:38Z")
How many of you who have been using shine for at least 3 months now use megadoses to get results? I use shine 3-4 times a week at first 2 sprays would put me in an upbeat mood I’d never forget it. Then it took 4 sprays. Now I use 6 in MIXES let alone standalone. I still don’t get upbeat. I’ve never been one to crash on the product. I am also not an upbeat kinda guy. I do see the effects on others but it kinda depressing to see others helpful and happy when you yourself feel low. Perhaps I need to invest in a bottle of 4x IS now and use 2 sprays (8 total). Its ridiculous. Is there even a limit to this? I’m about to try OCD’s rockstar mix and in it he uses 8 sprays IS. I’m starting to think most of the experienced in shine have migrated to 8 sprays or so. I wonder what would happen with 16 LOL! dsouza ---
**Author:** ![menger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@menger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/menger)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 9:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/2 "2011-05-23T09:53:00Z")
take a sabbatical from IS and you will get your self effects from low doses back. just like caffeine ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 10:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/3 "2011-05-23T10:02:00Z")
> [@menger](#): > > take a sabbatical from IS and you will get your self effects from low doses back. > > just like caffeine I can’t go without using shine at least 3-4 times a week. I need it in all my mixes. Even then I need a good 6 sprays or so to see any results. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 10:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/4 "2011-05-23T10:02:36Z")
Yes - Overusing any phero will eventually cause you to become resistant to its self effects. Taking a regular break will restore its effectiveness in no time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fade1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fade1/32/1949_2.png) [@Fade1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Fade1)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/5 "2011-05-23T10:03:35Z")
I experienced somewhat of a comedown when I stopped after using it daily for about a month. I also started to need more and more, at first it was just 1-2 sprays but I ended up needing 3-4 to get the same feelgood buzz. After I stopped for a few weeks I could get the buzz from 1-2 sprays again though. ---
**Author:** ![menger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@menger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/menger)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 10:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/6 "2011-05-23T10:30:17Z")
yeah i used to implement IS into all my mixes too lol i don’t know or have read of anyway to circumvent this tolerance effect other than to go cold turkey or at least put it on less frequently. Self effects are actually more like a nice bonus for mones usage since the user isn’t the original intended target ---
**Author:** ![samuraitea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/samuraitea/32/1998_2.png) [@samuraitea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/samuraitea)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 10:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/7 "2011-05-23T10:40:29Z")
You want to know something? I had IS for over 4 months before I ever noticed a thing! I did all sorts of sweet spot testing, mixing with other products, then one day I just stopped using it. Couple of my friends here on the forum suggested for me to give it a second go around (so I did), and **BAM**!!! Never felt anything like it before! I am ordering more this week! The caffeine comparison is a great analogy! I cycle on and off caffeine all the time! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/8 "2011-05-23T12:34:44Z")
If you need that much you need to step down. You’re desensitizing yourself to stimulation. I have a theory from working with it that the desensitization is placebic and that it can be overcome mentally, but for most people it’ll be easier just to take a step away and start finding your sweet-spot again. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 1:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/9 "2011-05-23T13:09:07Z")
Problem is I suffer from acute depression and anxiety. I _NEED_ IS to get me to a NORMAL man’s mood not to enhance my mood into a happy state. This is why I use it so frequently. Without it I would be depressed, serious and miserable. I also use antidepressants, anti anxiety medications etc so I do see a doctor for health issues. I’d rather use more IS than more prescriptions drugs as I find no bad side effects from lots of shine usage and never get the crash. So you’re all saying back down. Today’s I’ll just go ammo and work on getting happy in other ways. I could work on losing the last 10 lbs that would make me very happy. Maybe I’d need less reliance on shine this way. When I was younger I didn’t use mones but spent all my time in the gym and had hotties all over the place want to have sex with me. Then I got older, got into business, got a serious girlfriend, and got ill from overworking myself, and put on weight . I turned to mones to offset this. Big mistake. Mones seemed to be my holy grail for happiness and attraction while I neglected my body. I am now turning to my old ways and only use mones to enhance. I am not too good with social skills, but have a lot of experience in fitness and music. I think I’ll go back into building up the bod, and selling myself as a musician again. That should get my confidence roaring. Then maybe only 2 sprays of IS will do the trick from time to time! etc dsouza ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 1:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/10 "2011-05-23T13:26:03Z")
I’m no doctor, so I obviously can’t comment on your depression. Being dependent on anything foreign to your body is not great. Using them as tools? Yes. But dependency is not a good thing at all. Try backing down, taking a moment to breathe and feel the effects. You can feel effects on _ **one** _ spray if you concentrate. Then try two. Find our sweet spot again. Of course, it could be all of the meds you are on affecting your body chemistry. Again, I’m no doctor. I only know about the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). Edit: By the way, quick tip on instant shine. I get my shower hot so it steams, then I do two sprays of IS into the steam. It diffuses in the shower pretty well in the humidity and really is a great pick-me-up. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/11 "2011-05-23T15:50:08Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > How many of you who have been using shine for at least 3 months now use megadoses to get results? > > I use shine 3-4 times a week at first 2 sprays would put me in an upbeat mood I’d never forget it. Then it took 4 sprays. Now I use 6 in MIXES let alone standalone. I still don’t get upbeat. > > I’ve never been one to crash on the product. I am also not an upbeat kinda guy. I do see the effects on others but it kinda depressing to see others helpful and happy when you yourself feel low. > > Perhaps I need to invest in a bottle of 4x IS now and use 2 sprays (8 total). Its ridiculous. Is there even a limit to this? > > I’m about to try OCD’s rockstar mix and in it he uses 8 sprays IS. I’m starting to think most of the experienced in shine have migrated to 8 sprays or so. > > I wonder what would happen with 16 LOL! > > dsouza I’ve been using Ishine for 5+ years and I still use 3 sprays of 1X for maximum effect. Are you using it to get self-effects? ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 7:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/12 "2011-05-23T19:23:51Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > I’ve been using Ishine for 5+ years and I still use 3 sprays of 1X for maximum effect. Are you using it to get self-effects? Yes. At lower doses I still see results from others. But I try to increase the dose to get self effects. Doesn’t always deliver even though I use it only 3-4 x week. dsouza ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 8:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/13 "2011-05-23T20:12:21Z")
Well personally I believe that’s where most will not experience those effects. Ishine has always created a subtle sense of well-being, that everything is OK. I use words here to say well being, but what does well-being mean to me? Its a feeling for me, something I know within myself that I am OK. Perhaps being OK is difficult to claim as a tangible self-effect of a product, but anything outside ourselves can only add to the stimuli that help us in feeling OK. It is we though, who must translate that stimuli and determine if it is in alignment with our feelings of OK, but it is always us who is OK. Cotton candy, to many, will bring joy, but to others sadness and distress. Ishine reminds me of the happiness within me. With all the other potentials that also remind me of happiness it is not always easy to remember where the specific reminder is attributed to. Therefore I just smile and am glad there are so many opportunities to be happy and thus OK. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/14 "2011-05-23T20:18:48Z")
Sounds like your self-medicating, which if you have depression, you should really either see a doc to see if they can recommend any OTC/treatments for you. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) is NOT a solution for that. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 9:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/15 "2011-05-24T09:31:59Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Problem is I suffer from acute depression and anxiety. I _NEED_ IS to get me to a NORMAL man’s mood not to enhance my mood into a happy state. > > When I was younger I didn’t use mones but spent all my time in the gym and had hotties all over the place want to have sex with me. When you start thinking you “need” anything is also the time you should be asking yourself some tough wuestions IMO. Maybe you should be getting back to the gym? IME, regular physical activity is a very good way of boosting the mood and yes, I’ve seen the benefits in tough times in my life. With or without the hotties! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 12:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/16 "2011-05-24T12:56:24Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > When you start thinking you “need” anything is also the time you should be asking yourself some tough wuestions IMO. > > Maybe you should be getting back to the gym? IME, regular physical activity is a very good way of boosting the mood and yes, I’ve seen the benefits in tough times in my life. With or without the hotties! 😃 Mobcaster I agree. A physical fitness program is what I’ve been missing and getting back into it will get my confidence up faster than any IS. But IS is an enhancement and I will use mones as enhancement and stop thinking to rely on them so much. When you have drawers full of mone products over a 10 year period of gathering them sometimes you lose track of the basics – the bread and butter, like staying in top shape, fashion, and other hobbies in life which gave you pleasure before. I am going to remake myself, then attribute anything above that to mones. I’m giving myself 8 weeks to lose 10 lbs of fat and to muscle up. I’ve always had an easy time with weight training and exercise in my youth but somehow got offtrack with other commitments like most people due with age. Time to get my confidence back the old fashioned way first. 😃 dsouza ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/17 "2011-05-24T13:59:59Z")
I think if you exercise and get body sweat, that mixes with the IS and enhances it’s effect as it’s combined with endorphines from the body. One of the only hits I remember from an IS, A314 combo came after working out at the gym where my sweat had to combine with these products. The effect after exercise (when I applied it four hours earlier) was like I just re-sprayed myself! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/out-of-all-you-is-users/50421/18 "2011-05-24T14:05:36Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I am going to remake myself, then attribute anything above that to mones. Yes - In my own case, mones were amongst the last things I turned to after going through a long long downer after the end of a 9yr LTR/period of illness/money troubles/hard times at work. First I got my physical shape back, which bolstered my mental outlook no-end, then worked on my appearance/presentation and negative behaviours and only then I picked-up on mones and found them to be the icing on the cake! Good luck - It can be a long road but worthwile nonetheless! 🙂