# outcome dependence **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [October 28, 2007, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outcome-dependence/6281 "2007-10-28T22:22:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2007, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outcome-dependence/6281/1 "2007-10-28T22:22:11Z")
piece by Ozzie from RSD blog follows… PQ Since we are little in school we are being measured, big part of it is grades. The grading system accounts for most of the disappointments growing up. At home, we are measured by our parents whether you are “doing good” or “you are a disappointment”. We get a job and it is the same. Boss evaluates us or worst the market place. Religion, etc, in our culture we are being measured and made to feel bad if we don’t “live up to somebody´s expectations”. Our lives are constant struggle “not to disappoint”. We are set up to being measured which in turn sets us up for perpetual disappointment. Most of our social conditioning comes from this very fact. It is the elusive obvious. We don’t question this system. We just are born into it and grow into it and probably die in it without questioning it or its validity. Most of this measuring is done by people who in turn are being measured… and it goes all the way up or down to infinite. Then we come to the “game”. We get into it. And what do we do? Same old measuring. This is the reason many guys struggle with “outcome orientation”. They cannot let go of the “measuring. Bad set/good set, bad night/good night, good opener/bad opener, good/bad performance, good pick up school vs bad pick up school, good advice vs bad advice and the list goes on and on to infinite. The courage to be imperfect. My best performances on this have been imperfect ones. I came back from gross mistakes or salvaged hopeless situations. Then results came tumbling down in cascades. I would say that being courageous is defined by how imperfect you can be. How much a risk you are willing to take. how much “measuring” you are willing to fuck up. On bootcamp it is a constant battle to rescue guys from this measuring mechanisms embedded in the depth of their brains. It is hard to wrap your head around the fact that trial and error is at the heart of pickup. That´s how it is learned. Most guys are terrified to make mistakes. Why? You guessed it right. The measuring system. It haunts them in the back of their head. Makes them feel they need to “improve” constantly to “live up to”. Not good because it destroys the guys natural ability and coolness. It goes against its core of naturalness. The guy is not relaxed so he can not perform properly. His own outcome oriented mind paralyzes him. The “need for constant feedback” is at the heart of the measuring system. The need to be “reassured” that he is doing right even when he is doing right. Self confidence is coming from “outside” not from inside where it should. We have a philosophy of PPT. Practice, patience and time. Practice comes first. Nothing will happen in your game if you don’t practice in the field. No book, DVD, seminar will give you what practicing in the field will give you. Patience. Without patience practice is bullshit. You will abandon at the first mistake or the second. No patience, practice is useless. You will open a couple of sets and hang by the bar because nothing is happening in your game. No patience leads to inconsistent results. Trial and error is at the heart of building any skill. Time. You need to allot time to practice. You have to schedule your practice time or you will not practice. Example, I will go out Fridays and Saturdays either rains or shine. You arrange your life accordingly to make this schedule happen. Then don’t judge results on the basis of good or bad. Don’t go black and white on your practice and your progress. Let go of the idea or the need “to measure” you because it is compulsive. Society induced. You are ok as you are. Progress will happen anyway if you apply PPT philosophy. Ozzie Posted by Tyler-Real Social Dynamics at [1:21 AM](http://realsocialdynamics.blogspot.com/2007/10/hot-article-ozzie-on-perpetual.html)[13 comments](http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=37394673&postID=9089917807895576914) ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 10:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outcome-dependence/6281/2 "2007-11-02T22:16:58Z")
women must also be like this, then… no? ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outcome-dependence/6281/3 "2007-11-03T00:57:37Z")
heh. as twisted as this may sound, I’m glad that i was raised under impossible standards, and the constant feeling of never measuring up, and no hope of even coming close growing up. On the one hand it does make me sort of a slacker. On the other I realize compared to what I grew up with, it doesn’t take much to impress regular folks. And any one else intimating that I don’t measure up - still doesn’t hurt half as much as hearing it come from a parental unit. I mighta been raised to be all twisted, but i’m a pretty hardy plant.