# Outta My Shell **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [January 4, 2008, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054 "2008-01-04T21:03:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2008, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/242 "2008-08-02T05:05:05Z")
Hello Remmy, greetings from an ex-INTP. I haven’t posted in your journal before, but I read over alot of the posts. Have fun on your cruise, ¡Buen viaje! ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/243 "2008-08-02T16:12:34Z")
Heya Daedelus, thanks for reading. From what I understand it’s quite common for your Meyers-Briggs type to change as you grow as a person so congrats on your growth. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2008, 4:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/244 "2008-08-02T16:54:14Z")
I’ve got a feeling my Meyer’s Briggs scores have just drifted more towards “neutral”. The last time I took some of those tests a few weeks ago, I took three different “tests” online, and came up with INFP/INFJ, and most of the scores except introversion were somewhat neutral. Interesting review of Instant Honesty Extreme. Sounds like potent stuff. Alot of the time now days, I don’t like the effect of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). Too light. Sometimes I like it, sometimes I don’t. Instant Honesty makes everything you say seem more profound, at least in low doses. In high doses, maybe it’s overbearing. I usually only use one spray. It’s good to make you look “mysterious”/interesting without turning everybody into a chatterbox, though. Another thing that seems good is Scent of Eros, in low doses. Also, I think P-20 tones down the effect of Instant Openness some (and extends the lifespan), I add about 2-3 drops for every 3-5 mL. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2008, 11:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/245 "2008-08-02T23:11:08Z")
> [@renny](#): > > _ **Instant Honesty Extreme I really like the IDEA of having Instant Honesty in an oil** _ _ **In practice though, so far, it’s resulted in too much “honesty”.** _ It’s oil based? Din know that…thought it was DPG…looks and feels different than my oil products. When I first got it I was talkin’ to SteveO 'bout it and we didn’t think it was an oil medium. 😕 'Splain, please. The fact that it lasts longer is a plus in warmer weather. I find the slower diffusion is good and not…depending. How fast do you want it to hit and how long do you want it to last? I consider both before choosing the state of Honesty I want to achieve/be in/can or feel like taking. That’s why my arsenal includes all strengths of Honesty. You can do both. If I want the longevity of the Extreme but also want to hit fast, right out of the gate…and sometimes I do…I apply the Extreme first and then hit it up with a low dose spray of 1X or 2X Honesty or cover with an a-Androstenol product or even just a spray of cologne. I love this with Scent of Eros on both me and Wolf. You can, of course, approximate it with Instant Openness and [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/)…but there’s something about Scent of Eros I like better…maybe it’s the gel/oil base…maybe it’s the ratio of a-Androstenol/Androsterone…dunno. And with some -none added…perhaps your favorite AMMO variation…is there one that contains P74?..a nice combination…OOO…a shot of TAF would be nice, too…😃. I’ll stop here. Honesty. You know I love the stuff and I wear and can take a lot of it. I don’t often OD, or try to, as I have no desire, reason or inclination to do so. I get a good feel for products without it. However I’ve come close with Extreme Honesty…I’m up to 120mcg. _Waaay_ overkill but Extremely informative/interesting. A trip. 😉 I’ll be goin’ again…when the time is right. One other thing…this stuff builds over time…what I mean by that is…it not only lasts longer but gets stronger in its’ effect…so what may not seem like too much upon application could be too much by the end of the day/evening. Just wanted to mention that. Frankly, I find Instant Honesty, even in spray version, has excellent longevity…works for hours…either that or people are still ridin’ the Honesty wave… > [@renny](#): > > _ **Mostly I blame it on my being in a fairly irritated state of mind. It’s the time of year that I’ve been asked the same question, answered the same phone call, recommended the same item a few too many times…I need a break and the break is still a few weeks away.** _ I can see why. I feel your pain. Sometimes I wonder if it’s punishment. 😛 Oh well, we know it’s just the nature of the beast. Once again…your mood is often the directive…🙄…evidently Mr. De Mille has had enough of bad actors. Cut!!! [FRANKIE FORD - SEA CRUISE](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtzVrVGNLyM&feature=related) The name of the ship, Boo?! Take the Extreme and the other “special” mixes…you got nothin’ to lose… 🆒 > [@renny](#): > > _ **It’s not a bad thing for business to be good but Instant Honesty Extreme encourages realism when I really need a bit more of a feel good effect…** _ You’re going to like this much better under more pleasant circumstances 😉…in a mix of your creation. Go easy…might scare ya..a little…lol…good for ya. 😛 Bella ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2008, 11:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/246 "2008-08-02T23:33:42Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > It’s oil based? Din know that…thought it was DPG…looks and feels different than my oil products. Pure DPG acts like oil in fragrances, although it’s more miscible and dissolves better. That’s what they use as a carrier for synthetic fragrances when a perfumist buys the raw ingredients. I would imagine the same thing is true of pheromones. What kind of bottle does [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) Extreme come in- dropper or spray? ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 1:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/247 "2008-08-03T01:22:25Z")
> [@Daedelus76](#): > > Pure DPG acts like oil in fragrances, although it’s more miscible and dissolves better. That’s what they use as a carrier for synthetic fragrances when a perfumist buys the raw ingredients. I would imagine the same thing is true of pheromones. What kind of bottle does Instant Honesty Extreme come in- dropper or spray? 10ml bottle/dropper. 20mcg/drop. I was wondering if this could be sprayed or would mix well composited with oil and/or alcohol based products. Thanks for answering my question. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/248 "2008-08-03T01:52:23Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > 10ml bottle/dropper. 20mcg/drop. > > I was wondering if this could be sprayed or would mix well composited with oil and/or alcohol based products. Thanks for answering my question. 🙂 I may have to order some to try out. Out of curiosity, how much pheromones are in the regular [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), per spray? I would try a small amount first just to see if it works. Is it scented at all? If DPG is too concentrated, it doesn’t spray well. I know DPG will dissolve into cyclomethicone, which behaves similar to alcohol. You can order cyclomethicone NF online, and it doesn’t have a hazmat fee, unlike perfumer’s alcohol. I use cyclomethicone alot to make perfume oils sprayable. Nice to hear from you, Bella 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 4:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/249 "2008-08-03T04:45:09Z")
> [@Daedelus76](#): > > I may have to order some to try out. Out of curiosity, _ **how much pheromones are in the regular Instant Honesty, per spray?** _ Here ya go, D. Thanks, Boss and Tisha. 😉 > [@instant honesty content](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-content/11730/2): > > _ **Well the website says** _ _ **15mcg per spray at 1X and you can go 2X or 4X.** _ Now if there are any other pheromones in there and what the exact ratios/numbers are, I rather suspect that is a “trade secret”. > [@instant honesty content](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-content/11730/6): > > _ **Instant Honesty is a combination of 4 human pheromones, Beta Androstenol being the** _ > _ **predominant one. It does have a smaller amount of Alpha Androstenol in it.** _ > > _ **Instant Honesty has been smoothed out with the other added pheromones. Beta Androstenol on its own can cause a bit of a head trip according to MHarris.** _ > > _ **Its a trade secret as to what the 4 other pheromones are in there. If they reveled it anyone could make it inclubing there competitors.** _ > [@Daedelus76](#): > > _ **Is it scented at all?** _ I don’t get much sent from it…maybe just a\* very\* slight musky undertone. > [@Daedelus76](#): > > _ **If DPG is too concentrated, it doesn’t spray well.** _ > _ **I would try a small amount first just to see if it works.** _ > > _ **I know DPG will dissolve into cyclomethicone, which behaves similar to alcohol.** _ I don’t know how concentrated it is as I haven’t tried any other product with a DPG base to compare it with. This seems fairly runny though…moreso than oil…what do you think renny? I’ve accidentally plopped out more drops than I’ve wanted a number of times. Which is one of the reasons I’ve tested it at such high mcgs…lol. I was 😮 …then just went with it…what the hey. When I spoke to SteveO though…he said he didn’t think it would spray well…haven’t tried it, so IDK. 🙄 I’d like to be able to spray it…so I’ll try mixing it with a few sprays of alcohol based pheromones and see what happens. I don’t want to dilute it too much, for me, that would defeat the purpose of it being Extreme but others may want to do so. I’m not great at compositing…too much for ma lil’ pea brain, I’m afraid. Bella > [@Daedelus76](#): > > Nice to hear from you, Bella 🙂 🙂 😉 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/250 "2008-08-03T16:31:16Z")
Oil/DPG? [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) Extreme seems to be the same base as Raw Power and A314 so I guess it’s DPG which is not an “oil” but is the base of the other products that Androtics calls “oil” based. I’ve never tried Dirty or the old TAA oil but I assume that they are/were the same. IHE and RP even smell quite similar with the “nutty” smell of the DPG and the slight BO smell of the pheromones…A314 covers this with it’s EO blend which is currently Akuto. I think the EO blend makes a difference in the way A314 behaves as it seems to spread a little better and take slightly longer to dry than RP and IHE. > [@Bella](#): > > Once again…your mood is often the directive…🙄…evidently Mr. De Mille has had enough of bad actors. Cut!!! > > [FRANKIE FORD - SEA CRUISE](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtzVrVGNLyM&feature=related) That vid is the pip, I’m going out right now and get a flattop haircut and a skinny tie 😃 . OOOwheee Baby! I’ll look just like my dad 😮 . You are sooo right about mindset and mood being the defining factor. Although I must say The MX271-3 series as well as the ICM’s I’ve tested so far can throw the minor irritations of life right out the window. I had thought it was something specific to the MX271-3 series until I tried ICM 0.25.1A and today 1B…now I gotta suspect that P93 is a very different animal from any other pheromone I’ve tried. I’ll have to try it on it’s own. Yep 7 weeks till my “funship” sets sail. I’ll spend a few days at the beach beforehand just to decompress some. It’s only a 4 night cruise…being my first I didn’t wanna book a long one just in case. Hey the group I booked with runs a cruise a month so I can just turn around and go again if I want. One thing I’ve learned about pheromone use is to keep it simple so I won’t take my arsenal but I’m guessing IH Extreme will be top of the list along with the special ICM that M-I-D gave me. I’ll round out with A314 and Ishine for 1st impressions. Prolly take IG, IO and RP as an alternative in the off chance I don’t like the ICM. I’m sure regular AMMO will also accidentally fall in my suitcase. Did I say simple? Now if I can get the Bon Voyage desk to stock my cabin with a bottle of Baily’s … 🆒 . ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 10:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/251 "2008-08-05T22:13:35Z")
> [@renny](#): > > _ **Oil/DPG? Instant Honesty Extreme seems to be the same base as Raw Power and A314 so I guess it’s DPG which is not an “oil” but is the base of the other products that Androtics calls “oil” based.** _ Thanks for clearing that up, ren. 🙂 > [@renny](#): > > That vid is the pip. _ **I’m going out right now and get a flattop haircut** _ and a skinny tie 😃 . _ **OOOwheee Baby!** _ LOL! Flattop?!! 😮 Now that I’d like to see. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2008, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/252 "2008-08-21T16:53:01Z")
Renny - two weeks ago … what is happening? Your journal even fell off the front page - I did not think that was possible - trying to bump it back up. Hint hint. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2008, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/253 "2008-08-22T18:00:59Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > Renny - two weeks ago … what is happening? > > Your journal even fell off the front page - I did not think that was possible - trying to bump it back up. Hint hint. Actually Boss, I’ve been cheating on pherotalk with a cruise forum. 😮 There I’ve said it…I feel better. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2008, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/254 "2008-08-23T01:53:21Z")
So - are you still looking good for the cruise or did you book the “Titanic”? ---
**Author:** ![360addict](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/360addict/32/505_2.png) [@360addict](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/360addict)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2008, 2:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/255 "2008-08-23T02:03:26Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > So - are you still looking good for the cruise or did you book the “Titanic”? No No No, He means a Tom Cruise forum. Hahahaha 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2008, 9:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/256 "2008-08-23T09:58:51Z")
> [@renny](#): > > Actually Boss, _ **I’ve been cheating on pherotalk with a cruise forum.** _ 😮 There I’ve said it…I feel better. 😃 You dawg…lol. Really, it’s a good way to find out what goes on before you go. We forgive you. Occasionally I stray myself. 🙄 Hey, I do have other interests besides pheromones. > [@bosshank](#): > > _ **So - are you still looking good for the cruise or did you book the “Titanic”?** _ Hmm…he does bear a resemblance to DiCaprio. 😃 May I suggest a little dance lesson before you board? I’m workin’ up a few moves for ya in the ballroom. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2008, 3:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/257 "2008-08-23T15:48:26Z")
Yes Bosshank, the ship sinks err sails next month. It’s with a singles group and it appears there are about 50-75 from the group on this cruise. I’ve talked to a couple of gals who go with them on a fairly regular basis and it sounds like a blast. One of the excursions I’ve booked involves snorkeling and sharks…I’m thinkin’ no pheromones that day! Yes Bella, LOTS of dancing, thanks for the brushup lesson! ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 1:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/258 "2008-08-24T01:46:13Z")
> [@renny](#): > > It’s with a singles group and it appears there are about 50-75 from the group on this cruise. I’ve talked to a couple of gals who go with them on a fairly regular basis and it sounds like a blast. Good - I remember you said earlier it sounded good just glad you did not find any info to the contrary while you were catting around on another forum … lol. > [@renny](#): > > One of the excursions I’ve booked involves snorkeling and sharks…I’m thinkin’ no pheromones that day! I am thinking no shaving nicks … > [@renny](#): > > Yes Bella, LOTS of dancing, thanks for the brushup lesson! Nothing like knowing how to dance a good rumba .. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/259 "2008-08-24T18:41:39Z")
> [@renny](#): > > _ **Yes Bella, LOTS of dancing, thanks for the brushup lesson!** _ My pleasure, Boo. 🙂 You’re lookin’ good. Now if I can just get the rest of the class to pay a little more attention and stay off my toes!! 😃 > [@bosshank](#): > > _ **Nothing like knowing how to dance a good rumba ..** _ 🙄 Showing up for class helps…ahem. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/260 "2008-08-24T19:45:43Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Showing up for class helps…ahem. Caught cutting class by the teacher 😮 :o ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2008, 7:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/261 "2008-08-24T19:58:34Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > _ **Caught cutting class by the teacher** _ 😮 :o You know what that means… …you’re incorrigible…🙄 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054.md?page=12) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054.md?page=14)