# Outta My Shell **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [January 4, 2008, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054 "2008-01-04T21:03:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 3:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/81 "2008-02-19T15:37:28Z")
touche šŸ™‚ second vote for an update here pleaseā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/82 "2008-02-19T16:25:17Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > _Renny - we need an update!!_ > [@comradmax](#): > > touche šŸ™‚ > second vote for an _update here pleaseā€¦_ Taps footā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/83 "2008-02-19T19:06:25Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Taps footā€¦ Bella, speaking of Journals that need updating ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2008, 2:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/84 "2008-02-20T02:01:32Z")
Impatience may be rewarded with mediocrity. šŸ˜› I am still running with 2x A314 + 2x [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and varying a dose of TAL around it. I canā€™t say That Iā€™ve seen any bossiness from women like ACCO202 has reported. If anything Iā€™ve seen an increase in camaraderie from a couple of female acquaintances. This includes the married woman from la clase I mentioned before. I skipped la clase last Thursday for purely personal reasons. Teach and some of the others teased me about not seeing them on Valentines Day tonite. šŸ™„ There were some hints that something went very amiss in my absence. Then Teach met Robert outside the class when he arrived (remember Robert?). I asked Sherry and Kayleigh what was up. Kayleigh turned red and mumbled that she didnā€™t hear what happened but it was bad. šŸ˜• so Sherry filled me in. Apparently he had made some completely inappropriate remarks and my married friend had called him out about it. Anyway it disrupted the class so badly that Teach was warning him that any more behavior like it would get him kicked out. After class ended I met married friend outside. ā€œFill me in on the dirt.ā€ I asked. ā€œOh, you wouldnā€™t believe it and itā€™s all your fault!ā€ ā€œMe!ā€ ā€œYeh, you laid out of class. Creeps like him donā€™t act like that when thereā€™s a man around.ā€ šŸ†’ She wouldnā€™t elaborate any further so I guess it was pretty gross. Anyway Iā€™ve been shielding these ladies from a cretin all this time and didnā€™t even know it. Maybe it was a phero shield? ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2008, 8:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/85 "2008-02-20T08:01:09Z")
> [@renny](#): > > _Impatience may be rewarded with mediocrity. šŸ˜›_ > _I am still running with 2x A314 + 2x Instant Openness and varying a dose of TAL around it. I canā€™t say That Iā€™ve seen any bossiness from women like ACCO202 has reported. If anything Iā€™ve seen an increase in camaraderie from a couple of female acquaintances. This includes the married woman from la clase I mentioned before._ ā€¦youā€™re worth the wait. I read ACCOā€™s post about that. LOL. I think he had those results using only 1 spray 2.5mcg! Maybe his natural signature and his age, IDK either, coupled with no buffers and running into, perhaps, already natural alpha babes provoked that response. Some of us who are that type need very little (TAL) to go over the fine edge from assertive/sexy to aggressive/bossy. Kinda like -none for men. But _you_ already know _thaaat._ He tested it in the grocery store a few times. I mean, did he look like he knew what he was looking for? or was he lookinā€™ kinda lost/helpless? IDK, heā€™s gonna post, weā€™ll find out. If he wasā€¦I _do know_ thisā€¦ if he was lookinā€™ _single?..womenā€¦alpha, beta, blinda, crippled 'n crazia are gonna want to help? him!_ ā€¦hmmm, now that Iā€™m thininā€™ā€¦might not be a bad way to meet babesā€¦if ya like ā€˜em bossy! He wants/needs help, _with TAL, lol_ā€¦anyways, Iā€™m sendinā€™ him over _here_ for lessons. I have a feeling you have a pretty strong natural signature, renny? A guy like you wearing Tal, more or less, fits anyway. Itā€™s congruent, even if youā€™re not wearing the buffers though they round it out for sure. Some wearers/targets need the buffers! Curiously, have you worn just TAL to class? Iā€™d like to see how it goes with the same ā€˜test groupā€™. Still, I donā€™t think youā€™ll get ACCOā€™s results. šŸ˜® Your married friend is an alpha female but doesnā€™t ā€˜dominateā€™ you because of your natural signature and the fact that youā€™re kind, trustworthy, friendly and unthreating despite being alpha. Phero induced or not. No helpless ā€˜auraā€™ there and thus no need/desire to help. Iā€™d like you to test it around some naturally _beta_ girls as well, and see if it takes them up a notch so to speak. Just ā€˜deep thoughtsā€™, lol, also not in _my_ journal. > [@renny](#): > > _I skipped la clase last Thursday for purely personal reasons._ Teach and some of the others teased me about not seeing them on Valentines Day tonite. šŸ™„ > _There were some hints that something went very amiss in my absence._ Then Teach met Robert outside the class when he arrived (remember Robert?). I asked Sherry and Kayleigh what was up. Kayleigh turned red and mumbled that she didnā€™t hear what happened but it was bad. šŸ˜• so Sherry filled me in. Apparently he had made some completely inappropriate remarks and my married friend had called him out about it. Anyway it disrupted the class so badly that Teach was warning him that any more behavior like it would get him kicked out. > > After class ended I met married friend outside. ā€œFill me in on the dirt.ā€ I asked. > _ā€œOh, you wouldnā€™t believe it and itā€™s all your fault!ā€_ > ā€œMe!ā€ > _ā€œYeh, you laid out of class. Creeps like him donā€™t act like that when thereā€™s a man around.ā€ šŸ†’_ About attendanceā€¦ **See** what happens when you miss class? > [@renny](#): > > She wouldnā€™t elaborate any further so I guess it was pretty gross. _Anyway Iā€™ve been shielding these ladies from a cretin all this time and didnā€™t even know it. Maybe it was a phero shield?_ ā€œKnight in Shine Armourā€? šŸ™‚ šŸ˜‰ Bella ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2008, 8:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/86 "2008-02-20T08:05:49Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > Bella, speaking of Journals that need updating ā€¦ ā€¦šŸ˜® ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2008, 10:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/87 "2008-02-20T10:29:16Z")
> [@renny](#): > > Anyway Iā€™ve been shielding these ladies from a cretin all this time and didnā€™t even know it. Maybe it was a phero shield? No - not a phero shield. A Renny shield. Renny THE man, Da boss, keeping the jerks in line just with his presence. Remember what we say: 90% you, 10% pheromones. They just amp up a little who you are.Best part is that all the women have recognized that now. You are good as gold now in their eyes. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2008, 10:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/88 "2008-02-20T10:30:31Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > ā€¦šŸ˜® And women say we never pay attention to what they are saying ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2008, 3:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/89 "2008-02-20T15:17:10Z")
glad I made myself clearā€¦ šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2008, 5:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/90 "2008-02-20T17:55:49Z")
My wife has two ways of doing that. One way is to make sure we have eye to eye contact and to speak a little louder than usual. (Like the old grey mare, my hearing ainā€™t what it used to be.) And the other way is ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2008, 2:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/91 "2008-02-22T02:49:04Z")
> [@](#): > > You are good as gold now in their eyes. That is a fact. I could feel their confidence in my presence even before I knew anything had happened. Very cool. Iā€™ve had that feeling before. In past experiences though I would have thought it less than chivalrous to capitalize on it. Maybe Iā€™m putting ā€œDumbassā€ behind me. > [@](#): > > I have a feeling you have a pretty strong natural signature, renny? A guy like you wearing Tal, more or less, fits anyway. Itā€™s congruent, even if youā€™re not wearing the buffers though they round it out for sure. Some wearers/targets need the buffers! Curiously, have you worn just TAL to class? Iā€™d like to see how it goes with the same ā€˜test groupā€™. Still, I donā€™t think youā€™ll get ACCOā€™s results. šŸ˜® I donā€™t know about my **phero** signature but yes I do have a strong personality. Iā€™m quiet and Iā€™ve let myself overthink some things before. People donā€™t test me though. Thatā€™s bad in a way because it has made it easy wall off the worldā€¦ hmmm, pheromones the anti-floyd. > [@](#): > > Your married friend is an alpha female but doesnā€™t ā€˜dominateā€™ you because of your natural signature and the fact that youā€™re kind, trustworthy, friendly and unthreating despite being alpha. Phero induced or not. No helpless ā€˜auraā€™ there and thus no need/desire to help. Iā€™d like you to test it around some naturally _beta_ girls as well, and see if it takes them up a notch so to speak. > Just ā€˜deep thoughtsā€™, lol, also not in _my_ journal. I wore 15 mcg to class toniteā€¦ the alpha girls were in top form but the younger more beta girls were snapping at their heels. It was F-U-N to watch. This stuff is pretty powerfulā€¦I see some of you ladies wearing a lot of IS/A and adding more TAL to it. When you all talk about world domination over in the womenā€™s forum youā€™re not being metaphorical at all are you? Well guys and dolls, got another exam Tuesday. Iā€™m gonna study hard and tape a 20 dollar bill to the classroom door for the first one out just to make things interesting. šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜® šŸ˜ƒ Later šŸ†’ ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2008, 5:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/92 "2008-02-22T05:14:01Z")
Great observations on the TAL renny. I really think you are helping the community understand it much better. I have begun playing with my TAL here lately but really donā€™t quite have the opportunity for testing like you have. I might this weekend at a social event. I think I will throw it into the usual mix - A314 & [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) - and maybe throw in some IH just to see what happens. I am thinking maybe the combination of TAL and a good dose of IH might produce some interesting results. ---
**Author:** ![Kitten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kitten/32/1051_2.png) [@Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kitten)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2008, 5:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/93 "2008-02-22T05:28:56Z")
> [@](#): > > ā€œCreeps like him donā€™t act like that when thereā€™s a man around.ā€ She paid you a _huge_ compliment! To her, you are the man in the group. Even more alpha than the teacher. Congrats for sure. (Iā€™m going back to school too, Renny. Iā€™m all excited and nervous about it. Iā€™ll be wearing my TAL most definitely, and my TAA, and my [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/). šŸ˜ƒ ) ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2008, 5:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/94 "2008-02-22T17:28:19Z")
Hey Kitty Kitten, I saw your post mentioning that you were going back to school. Iā€™m excited for you too. Good luck! I was very flattered by my friends comment. Lucky it was dark cuz I probably blushed. Teach is TAL on the outside and TAH on the inside. Cute too, and engaged alas. Bosshank, keep us posted on your TAL adventures. Iā€™m seeing that it is multidimensional and very sensitive to tweaking. You seem to have a real talent for stepping outside yourself and seeing whatā€™s going on. Thatā€™s what a guy wearing it has to have. Odd, Iā€™m finding that some pheromones seem to carry their own solution with them. I think that if a guy needs that skill of stepping outside himself, TAL may be a good one to help him work on that skill. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2008, 3:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/95 "2008-02-25T15:38:52Z")
> [@renny](#): > > Bosshank, keep us posted on your TAL adventures. Iā€™m seeing that it is multidimensional and very sensitive to tweaking. After having it for a year - but limited use I must admit - I am _starting_ to get a feel for it. > [@renny](#): > > You seem to have a real talent for stepping outside yourself and seeing whatā€™s going on. Thatā€™s what a guy wearing it has to have.. I can be the proverbial bull in the china shop but at the same time two of the skills that made me successful in my profession was being able to read people and being able to read a seemingly chaotic situation and understand what was really happening. Or it could have been dumb luck - lol. Take your pick.šŸ˜ƒ > [@renny](#): > > Odd, Iā€™m finding that some pheromones seem to carry their own solution with them. **Yes.** I have noticed that it helps within the context of being social (friendly, outgoing, etc.) that if you flow _with_ the pheromone it works very well. High 'none can sometimes make me more friendly/outgoing/aggressive which is what you need to take advantage of the added 'none signature. > [@renny](#): > > I think that if a guy needs that skill of stepping outside himself, TAL may be a good one to help him work on that skill. Again I agree. Some of these products can have a sometimes subtle effect so learning to step back and read people and situations becomes a critical skill. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/96 "2008-02-27T00:57:54Z")
Well wouldnā€™t you know it. I didnā€™t take as much time to study as I had planned, so I didnā€™t follow through on my prank of taping a twenty to the classroom door and daring anybody to try to beat me out the door. So what happened? Yeppers, I finished the test before anyone else. Decided I must have skipped a page or something, double checked some answers, slowly wrote down the homework assignment, fumbled around for a bit. I finally just handed it in and left. It wasnā€™t even fun getting done so quick. 4 drops A314 and 4 sprays IO is my test taking mix from now on. I think Iā€™m just gonna wear a big load of TAL without any male pheros Thursday just to see what happensā€¦ just to see if any of those _girls_ wanna _dominate_ me. LOL. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/97 "2008-02-29T20:13:05Z")
šŸ˜ƒ As a ā€œfinalā€ run for my TAL adventures I decided to go for a 100mcg test. Just TAL. My 30ml bottle is just 5mcg per spray so just as I left for class I put on a soaking 22 sprays (a couple of sprays went amiss). Neck, wrists, throat, shirt. I drove to school with the car window down to evaporate the alcohol. Damn glad there were no sobriety checkpoints, I didnā€™t think of that until I was merrily spraying away. By the time I got to school the wino smell was gone, I couldnā€™t really smell much from the TAL maybe a dry leaf or clothesline smell. I would think that there would be self effects from this much but I really canā€™t say that I had any. There may have been a passing feeling of awkwardness, like wearing a pair of new shoes. In the first few minutes after I got to my classroom I had a difficult time getting into a conversation with anyone. Not sure if this was a continuation of the awkwardness or just life. In just a few minutes though I was comparing homework notes with Kayleigh as usual. There are about 4 ladies (+ Robert) who have gotten the art of clock synchrony down to a science and come in at the last second. Laura and Sherri are among them. Laura went to her now usual place right behind me and Sherri slid into her normal seat next to me. Remember this is table seating not individual desks. After the normal greetings all 'round I look back toward the board where Teach is putting up the dayā€™s assignments. Hot breath on my cheek, boob on my arm, hand on my shoulder, Sherri whispers in my ear ā€œOMG I am soooo caffeinated!ā€ šŸ˜® The ā€œsooooā€ blew coffee flavored hot damp air right into my ear and down my spine. ā€œCinnamon?ā€ I asked, looking at her too close face trying to read it. ā€œPunkinā€™ spice.ā€ She looked completely clueless about the invasion of my space. I looked back to the front. She pressed harder into my arm. I nudged gently. She gave way, unintentional contact, but not embarrassed. We were just pals. She was checking her homework against mine. The next surprise came when Teach asked us to break into groups for a dialog exercise. Laura rolled her chair around to join Sherri and me. This was new. I looked at the back row and realized that she was escaping being paired with Robert. Later Teach had another dialog exercise. Sherri and I just spun our chairs around to join Laura. Teach says no this time she wants us in pairs. Laura looked at me like ā€œsave me from this ickinessā€ so I moved down and paired with Robert myself. This boy was seriously intimidated and surprised. He stuggled thru the whole thing and never once looked straight at me. All in all I would say that megadosing TAL on a guy creates a lot of comfort zone with women who already trust you. It was in no way ā€œfeminizingā€ but it was in no way flirty or sexy. Iā€™d call it good experience but not terribly useful except in the context of gaining a better understanding of pheromones. IG works better in a similar but manlier way. More useful to a guy is the A314/[Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)/TAL combo. I think that wearing this combo around a group of women is very good at showing some of the inner workings of ā€œGirl Thinkā€ and probably has some attraction qualities for comfortable grown up women. Well thatā€™s it for TAL for now Iā€™ll work up a summary in the main forum. I may go back to working with P79, I still donā€™t have a great handle on it. Hmmm, Iā€™m still thinking about that hot cinnamon breeze in my ear. I wish Bella would hurry up with that bodyart class. I might be capable of reconsidering my opinion of tattoos. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2008, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/98 "2008-03-01T00:00:31Z")
Great post Renny. Very interesting. My original thoughts were that a high dose may have been a little effeminizing but it did not seem to have that effect. Reps to you for great reporting and all the experimenting we are all learning from. This is the forum at its best. Jas should send you some goodies for all your hard work. On a side note, I have always enjoyed it when women either pull you in as ā€œone of themā€ and open up OR feel confident/strong enough to open up while being ā€œone of the guysā€. When people set aside their self-consciousness and open up and take you in, interesting things can happen. More often then not there is a middle ground most women take. ---
**Author:** ![Kusro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f05b48/32.png) [@Kusro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kusro)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2008, 7:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/99 "2008-03-01T07:22:07Z")
Renny that was a great report! Keep us posted with your new tests, I love reading your journal, its well written. I can almost see you with that ā€œsooo caffeinated ā€¦ā€ air blown in your ear.šŸ†’ Reps to ya! ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 4:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054/100 "2008-03-05T16:58:58Z")
Just stopped in to update the old arsenal. Pesky DHL trucks just keep showing up and leaving pheromones. This run was all consumer stuff Iā€™ve still got a long way to go with the experimones Iā€™ve already got. I switched up to 2x strength on Ammo, IO, IH, and TUTH. I also got some pipettes and empty togos. I tried to angle some Raw Power but no dice, maybe soon. Does anybody know if Merry Maids does forums? This place needs some dusting. Iā€™ll check around. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054.md?page=4) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/outta-my-shell/8054.md?page=6)