# Overwhelmed, Confused, and need Help **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 19, 2008, 5:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overwhelmed-confused-and-need-help/24086 "2008-12-19T05:00:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 5:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overwhelmed-confused-and-need-help/24086/1 "2008-12-19T05:00:54Z")
I have now spent countless hours on this sight researching which products I should order. I am more confused now than when I started. I am new to [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and need some advice. I am a 31, average looking guy, targeting women between 24-35 in social bar type places, not clubs. I tend to go out alone. By nature i am not an alpha male, but not a follower. More of a loner i guess. I very rarley initiate conversation with women, mostly because i am unsure if they are initially interested. I want to come off as approachable, sexy, and interesting. Iresistible would be awesome. I am up for one night stands, casual dating or something long term. Can anyone recommened a product, or combo of products to help me out? Also, the amount of each product i should use would be good. ---
**Author:** ![revivia](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/revivia/32/2124_2.png) [@revivia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/revivia)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 5:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overwhelmed-confused-and-need-help/24086/2 "2008-12-19T05:26:49Z")
Sure thing jesse…welcome to the pheromone club…I would recommend the following products: instant shine, instant gentleman, AMMO, [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/), A314, and come talk to me are all good. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![tfrankz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfrankz/32/468_2.png) [@tfrankz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfrankz)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 8:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overwhelmed-confused-and-need-help/24086/3 "2008-12-19T08:05:08Z")
Hey man I was in the the same boat as you are and sometimes still. Most of my friends are starting a family, buying a house, getting their shit together. I am 30 also and would tell you to make friends with some of the guys you see going out alot. It helps alot. Get [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) the girls love it. I have alot of luck with CTTM 2 mix put it in your hair works great. Got to get Instant shine. If you get those three you are set, Attraction, talk, mood, the key three. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 8:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overwhelmed-confused-and-need-help/24086/4 "2008-12-19T08:10:03Z")
hey man, for a night out at the bars you can’t go wrong with Ammo, either alone or combo with CTTM 2 (since you are a self described loner, this one should really help bring them to you to make small talk- be ready to smile and respond). IFM is also fantastic for making women feel comfortable around you, 1 or 2 sprays IFM to the back of your hair followed by a bath in [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) should make you the life of the party if you are prepared to be the life of the party. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 1:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overwhelmed-confused-and-need-help/24086/5 "2008-12-19T13:26:01Z")
Its OK I know it can be overwhelming. Come here lets give ya a hug (((( jessejester)))) Now lets move on up to the introduction section here \>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\> [Introductions - New Users, Say “Hello” Today and Get $25! at PheromoneTalk.com](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/introductions-new-users-say-hello-today/) Do a introduction and tell us about yourself, your personality, Your objective for mone use and how you found out about mones. The more detailed you can be the more we can help you find what will fit your needs and the great part is you will get a $25 Gift Certificate to the store. Right now I am leaning towards AMMO for a sexy attractive mildly arousing aura and Ishine to draw them in. Maybe some IO to open ya’ll up. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 1:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overwhelmed-confused-and-need-help/24086/6 "2008-12-19T13:55:16Z")
You’ve described a personality that seems similar to my own. But you left enough gaps that it’s hard to be sure. The easy part - for more social interactions and conversations get ih and io for stimulating conversations, is to project a vibe of vitality. You still need to initiate the conversation with a woman though. It can be something little but it sends her the signal that you’ve given her permission to interact. Once she has that permission the [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) can cause the floodgates to open. For the more sexual pheromones you have 2 ways you can go. Once you understand the 2 ways you can start blending them. 1 - anone products like ammo, tuth, dirty, ij etc. These are good for initiating short term relationships. They will turn some women off, turn some on, make some bitchy, and inspire some guys to want to fight. They are effective though and 90% of the products sold by other companies are anone based. The vibe is sexually agressive, perhaps somewhat irresponsible. 2 - rone products like ig and a314. These present a less agressive, more competent responsible vibration. This is good for initiating long-term relationships. Most people respond positively to rone. It’s easy to comfortably slip into a leadership role wth men when wearing rone, as opposed to a competitive stance. I suggest starting out with approach 2. If you want to try both this arsenal should get you started. ig, ammo, ih, io, ishine With all but IG available in the smaller to-go sizes. The small sizes are good for figuring out what you like without breaking the budget. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overwhelmed-confused-and-need-help/24086/7 "2008-12-19T15:06:20Z")
I would stay away from A314 if you are already uncomfortable approaching… it does signal higher value which is a good thing… but it also means people are less likely to approach (because you are displaying a higher value)… A314 is super effective if you use it with confidence and I get the impression that you could use some of that before you start using A314… Try Instant Shine, AMMO and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)… AMMO tends to get me into “I wanna pick up chicks” mode, Shine is great for boosting mood and Openness should help with initiating conversations(it causes chattiness) ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 7:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overwhelmed-confused-and-need-help/24086/8 "2008-12-19T19:33:32Z")
> [@](#): > > 1 - Androstenone products like [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) , [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) , dirty, [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) etc. These are good for initiating short term relationships. They will turn some women off, turn some on, make some bitchy, and inspire some guys to want to fight. They are effective though and 90% of the products sold by other companies are Androstenone based. The vibe is sexually agressive, perhaps somewhat irresponsible. I would defiantly not put AMMO in that category with the other 3. Remember AMMO is just 1/3 anone. Its extremely balanced. I think it could be good to start a long term relationship. Its deeper then something like TUTH or IJ. Provokes more interest. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 3:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overwhelmed-confused-and-need-help/24086/9 "2008-12-20T03:21:43Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I would defiantly not put AMMO in that category with the other 3. Remember AMMO is just 1/3 anone. Its extremely balanced. I think it could be good to start a long term relationship. Its deeper then something like TUTH or IJ. Provokes more interest. > > Tisha I use and like ammo. To me, as a male user, the similarity of ammo to other anone products is unmistakable. True, it does not give as much of an irresponsible vibe as pure IJ. The other components in ammo do moderate many of the negative effects of raw anone. Nonetheless it does seem to send many of the same basic signals. I would contrast this to a314 which although also containing some anone does not seem to send that same fundamental vibration. That is the reason for my classification. It is based on personal perception so it may be taken for what it is worth. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 5:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overwhelmed-confused-and-need-help/24086/10 "2008-12-21T05:53:11Z")
A314 - 2 or 3 drops TAA oil - 1 or 2 drops (or Instant Shine) [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and/or Instant Honesty - 2 or 3 sprays each ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 6:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overwhelmed-confused-and-need-help/24086/11 "2008-12-21T06:08:21Z")
> [@](#): > > That is the reason for my classification. It is based on personal perception so it may be taken for what it is worth. Its worth alot 🙂 My reasoning is also from a personal perception. Not from wearing it but being exposed to men who do. AMMO just dosnt give me that same feeling as TUTH or Dirty. I havnt been exposed to IJ yet. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![SCoupe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scoupe/32/2101_2.png) [@SCoupe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SCoupe)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 12:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overwhelmed-confused-and-need-help/24086/12 "2008-12-22T12:01:34Z")
Jesse … Take a deep breath and let go of the rope. Everything Androtics sells delivers and there’s plenty of time to test 'em all. Some have suggested that you avoid 314. I respectfully disagree. I think you NEED a healthy dose of self effect from it but would use a minimal amount to begin with. Other than that, go for the socials to start. IShine, IOpenness, IHonesty yada yada and you can get into the ‘sexuals’ a little later.