# Oxytocin: when will you have a product that contains it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 30, 2009, 4:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533 "2009-01-30T04:58:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/21 "2009-01-31T20:30:53Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Now I know why my last GF kept begging me to tinkle on her. What I can’t figure out are all the people into drinking urine. Wouldn’t it be better to apply directly to the skin?😉 Ewww! Diane ---
**Author:** ![Bonecrkr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bonecrkr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bonecrkr)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/22 "2009-01-31T22:31:33Z")
I think y’all are straying from the point. There are some excellent arguments for why Liquid Trust should not work, having to do with the original research on trust and oxytocin and the character of the molecule. However. There are a whole bunch of people who are getting the desired effect out of this product (myself included). But there are also some who aren’t and, more importantly, some that get the effect with one batch and then don’t get it with another. The obvious conclusion is that there is something else in the product, probably chemically similar to oxytocin, but with a mechanism not understood, that has the desired effect but is either unstable, has a poor manufacturing method, or both. Happens all the time. Hell, even aspirin was a medication for decades (if not centuries) without anyone having clue one as to how it worked. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/23 "2009-01-31T22:35:56Z")
I’m pretty ignorant about this kind of thing, so forgive me in advance. Does a product exist in spray form that promotes the body’s production of Oxytocin, similar to how some supplement products claim to promote production of HGH? If so, perhaps that’s what’s in the LT. I dunno… just taking a stab in the dark here. -D4 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 10:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/24 "2009-01-31T22:39:19Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Wow! Take it easy! I never heard of anyone getting so pissed off over a lack of a citation, before…😃 > > Sorry you are so pissed off. If you want a citation, okay. Just as easy for you to look up, yourself, you know. Here is the citation. OK, we’ve PM’d back and forth, and I hope we’re good with each other now. 🙂 My biggest reason for ranting and not wanting people to view hormones and pheromones as being one in the same is that pheromones are not currently regulated or on the FDA’s radar screen, while at least some hormones are listed as controlled substances and regulated. If the two were viewed as being one in the same, it could be a short step before pheromones fell under federal regulation, and we could lose our toys. ☹ Oxytocin is probably a good example, because although I am not positive, I’m pretty sure that it is regulated as a pharmaceutical product, and cannot be purchased in straight form without a prescription. Of course it’s also meant to be administered intravenously or intra-muscularly though. Androstenone is already listed as a controlled substance in Florida, and that’s at lease part of the reason why Androtics relocated to California. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/25 "2009-01-31T22:47:59Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > OK, we’ve PM’d back and forth, and I hope we’re good with each other now. 🙂 > > And no, of course I’m not gonna neg rep you now. > > My biggest reason for ranting and not wanting people to view hormones and pheromones as being one in the same is that pheromones are not currently regulated or on the FDA’s radar screen, while at least some hormones are listed as controlled substances and regulated. > > If the two were viewed as being one in the same, it could be a short step before pheromones fell under federal regulation, and we could lose our toys. ☹ > > Oxytocin is probably a good example, because although I am not positive, I’m pretty sure that it is regulated as a pharmaceutical product, and cannot be purchased in straight form without a prescription. Of course it’s also meant to be administered intravenously or intra-muscularly though. > > Androstenone is already listed as a controlled substance in Florida, and that’s at lease part of the reason why Androtics relocated to California. I don’t think the FDA is gonna take their cue from us!😮 And most hormones aren’t under FDA regulation, even those used for medical treatments. That surprised me, but it’s true. Testosterone, Progesterone, Estrogen are not regulated by the FDA, and you can buy them easily without a prescription. Where problems come in is in competitive sports, and that is heavily regulated. That’s a whole nuther ball game. EDIT: FDA can smack down anyone selling these if they do so while making medical claims, and you can’t compound them for treatment of known diseases or disorders. Diane ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/26 "2009-01-31T22:59:07Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > EDIT: FDA can smack down anyone selling these if they do so while making medical claims, and you can’t compound them for treatment of known diseases or disorders. > > Diane Now that much I did know. It seems like almost everything in the world carries the: “Not intended to treat” warning lables these days. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 11:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/27 "2009-01-31T23:15:24Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > OK, we’ve PM’d back and forth, and I hope we’re good with each other now. 🙂 > > My biggest reason for ranting and not wanting people to view hormones and pheromones as being one in the same is that pheromones are not currently regulated or on the FDA’s radar screen, while at least some hormones are listed as controlled substances and regulated. > > If the two were viewed as being one in the same, it could be a short step before pheromones fell under federal regulation, and we could lose our toys. ☹ > > Oxytocin is probably a good example, because although I am not positive, I’m pretty sure that it is regulated as a pharmaceutical product, and cannot be purchased in straight form without a prescription. Of course it’s also meant to be administered intravenously or intra-muscularly though. > > **Androstenone is already listed as a controlled substance in Florida, and that’s at lease part of the reason why Androtics relocated to California.** actually does not surprise me, in truth is the more this stuff gets in the mainstream we will have a problem, i would not be surprised one day if they start trying to regulate it. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 11:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/28 "2009-01-31T23:28:28Z")
> [@denec](#): > > actually does not surprise me, in truth is the more this stuff gets in the mainstream we will have a problem, i would not be surprised one day if they start trying to regulate it. I blame the big pharmaceutical companies. If you know anything about Wyeth Labs and how Premarin is produced, you’d be appalled. The pharmaceutical companies are the ones driving all the regulation. When you are talking $1Billion in sales every year from one hormone, you don’t want competition cutting your legs out from under you. But it is dirty business. Diane ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/29 "2009-01-31T23:31:40Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > I blame the big pharmaceutical companies. If you know anything about Wyeth Labs and how Premarin is produced, you’d be appalled. The pharmaceutical companies are the ones driving all the regulation. > > Diane why would big pharmaceutical companies want to be regulated by the FDA? if anything they hate the FDA. then again the way this country is going eventually the government will be owning pharmaceutical companies anyway ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/30 "2009-01-31T23:55:16Z")
> [@denec](#): > > why would big pharmaceutical companies want to be regulated by the FDA? if anything they hate the FDA. > > then again the way this country is going eventually the government will be owning pharmaceutical companies anyway Read and weep… this is so awful. _ **The FDA also received a petition from the drug maker Wyeth, of Madison, N.J., which asked the agency to take action against compounding pharmacy operations that produce compounded BHRT drugs. Others who have expressed concerns about these compounds include health-care providers and consumer groups, according to the FDA.** _[http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/healthday/080110/fda-warns-against-bio-identical-hormone-therapy.htm](http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/healthday/080110/fda-warns-against-bio-identical-hormone-therapy.htm) [http://www.equineadvocates.com/premarin.html](http://www.equineadvocates.com/premarin.html) [http://www.equineadvocates.com/aprela.html](http://www.equineadvocates.com/aprela.html) [http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/11/13/wyeths-wye-premarin-gets-fda-approval/](http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/11/13/wyeths-wye-premarin-gets-fda-approval/) Diane ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/31 "2009-02-01T00:07:56Z")
> [@denec](#): > > why would big pharmaceutical companies want to be regulated by the FDA? if anything they hate the FDA. Believe me, this is truer than any of you know. They want regulation that protects their patents and their profits, but nothing else. Anything designed to protect the health and safety of the consumer is considered an annoyance at best. ---
**Author:** ![matthie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5ac83/32.png) [@matthie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/matthie)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 10:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/32 "2009-02-13T10:16:14Z")
I don’t think Liquid Trust works. I’m pheromone free today, and feeling like crap. Was reading some of the studies in the forum and came across the Oxytocin article. Lol, i’ve forgotten about that 2 month supply of Liquid Trust hidden from my pheromone collection. 5 minutes ago, i sprayed 3 times of Liquid Trust onto my shirt and sniffed harded at it. **Results** A slight and brief light headed sensation which i believe is contributed by the alcohol ingredient of Liquid Trust. Other than that, nothing! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 10:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/33 "2009-02-13T22:01:09Z")
I heard that even the working bottles of LT don’t last for long (I.E. they can’t sit on the shelf like most everything Androtics makes can) ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 4:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533/34 "2009-02-14T04:36:00Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > I heard that even the working bottles of LT don’t last for long (I.E. they can’t sit on the shelf like most everything Androtics makes can) I haven’t had that problem. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oxytocin-when-will-you-have-a-product-that-contains-it/25533.md?page=1)