# P103 (at 1:2) awakens P86 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 23, 2010, 10:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688 "2010-01-23T22:59:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![hoplessly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hoplessly/32/2319_2.png) [@hoplessly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hoplessly)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 1:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688/21 "2011-07-15T01:35:46Z")
Genius idea, I remember when I first got p86, I did a couple of sprays and passed out within a few minutes from sheer exhaustion. I had to try this out and I’ve enjoyed adding p103 and p86 in the ratios that Warren came up with. One thing I’m still getting used to is that people do not avert their gaze as much as I’m used to with certain mixes- especially mixes higher in erone. My buddy came over to hang out for a bit before we went out and I ran a test. 60 mcg p86 30 mcg p103 + a variation of Mobocaster’s proposal mix- 2 drops 314, half a spray of IJ- yeah I wanted a full spray but only half came out and I wasn’t going to do the double pump. 10 mcg p74, and a spray of a meo-est/est/a1/anol/bnol mix. Now my buddy- I’ve hit him with heavy doses of 297 or 297 with a314- he would always fidget and look away. He could never maintain eye contact. We talked for a bit and then after a few minutes I asked him- ok how do you feel- tell me. He said he knew I was wearing something but he had no idea what. He said as I was talking, he felt that he was looking at me as if I was framed like in a picture. He really couldn’t focus on anything else but my face. He felt that I really knew what I was talking about and he was completely absorbed in what I was saying. This wasn’t the effect that I was expecting. I really didn’t expect him to maintain eye contact like he did. So why not? This could be a result of the meo est/est as well as the p103 killing the intimidating vibe of 314 and IJ. Warren talked about a warm glow with the 103/86 mix combined with a bit of meo-est. It’s definitely a friendly vibe so I that may have more to do with killing the normal vibe of 314/IJ. But the visual lock on. Man, I gotta try this more and see how it pairs with other mixes. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688/22 "2011-07-15T17:48:36Z")
XPX, you are the new Warren, I like your writing style and post’s really much! ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688/23 "2011-07-15T17:52:06Z")
> [@XPX](#): > > Question by the way: Has anybody also found out that P103 doesn’t really compare to IS? After 2 hours of big fun Those two together causes really heavy Pherocrashes for me! And every time I wear them together! Maybe with 2 -2,5mcg [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/). Warren said for example TAA (in IS) and TAC are a crash, but with 2 mcg P75 + 20mcg TAA + 20mcg TAC it works perfect. By the way test also TAC, this stuff is amazing, find it better as P103. I find P103 to hypnotic and numbing. TAC is better for fun, party and the stealth modus with none and the shadow none bomb effect is incredible. P103 with none is more like none with anol. No punch… ---
**Author:** ![XPX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a587f6/32.png) [@XPX](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XPX)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2011, 11:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688/24 "2011-07-16T11:03:33Z")
> [@JohnnyHard](#): > > Maybe with 2 -2,5mcg P75. Warren said for example TAA (in IS) and TAC are a crash, but with 2 mcg P75 + 20mcg TAA + 20mcg TAC it works perfect. > > By the way test also TAC, this stuff is amazing, find it better as P103. I find P103 to hypnotic and numbing. TAC is better for fun, party and the stealth modus with none and the shadow none bomb effect is incredible. P103 with none is more like none with anol. No punch… Thanks Johnny for your suggestions, I also find P103 extreme hypnotic and also very comparable to anol! Your information makes me very interested in TAC andTAC will be in one of my next orders 😉 ! Reports are following… ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 11:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688/25 "2011-07-22T23:29:57Z")
I had been meaning to try P103 out and I did, in the proportions from the first page. I mixed P103 with P86 at 1:2 ratio and headed out about 30 minutes later. My friend picked me up and on the short drive, she looked over at me and said, “you look really good”. I’m wearing short, tee shirt and hoodie, so it’s not my dress that she’s referring to. She’s a classically beautiful girl, so she’s not getting much out of the P103. 😉 We meet up at an outdoor cafe and then it notice that everyone looks good. I’m not consciously thinking about the P103, but it hit me that everyone just looked better, the Shallow Hal effect. It was a really odd feeling, but unmistakeable. I will have to admit that if I didn’t know of that effect, I might not have made the connection. For me, that was the most powerful mones experience I have had. Others have been the effects on others, this was on me and it was kind of amazing. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688/26 "2011-07-22T23:47:32Z")
> [@Vaccine](#): > > I had been meaning to try P103 out and I did, in the proportions from the first page. > > I mixed P103 with P86 at 1:2 ratio and headed out about 30 minutes later. My friend picked me up and on the short drive, she looked over at me and said, “you look really good”. I’m wearing short, tee shirt and hoodie, so it’s not my dress that she’s referring to. She’s a classically beautiful girl, so she’s not getting much out of the P103. 😉 > > We meet up at an outdoor cafe and then it notice that everyone looks good. I’m not consciously thinking about the P103, but it hit me that everyone just looked better, the Shallow Hal effect. It was a really odd feeling, but unmistakeable. I will have to admit that if I didn’t know of that effect, I might not have made the connection. > > For me, that was the most powerful mones experience I have had. Others have been the effects on others, this was on me and it was kind of amazing. SOUNDS like the **STONE COLD POWER** of **P86**! When you refer to 1:2, you’re talking about 1 spray of 103 to 2 sprays of P86, yes? What mcg per spray of P86 do you own? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 6:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688/27 "2011-07-23T18:38:32Z")
Yep. 1 P103 to 2 P86. I have the 12.5% of both. I just need more opportunities to test. This was really cool. ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 11:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688/28 "2012-03-17T11:10:45Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > P86 is known for its beautifying effects. When you wear it, the people around you look more attractive and the wearer seems to appear more attractive to the people around him or her. This effect has been noticed by many observers. I believe I was [the first to call attention to this effect](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-improvement-w-p86-sensuality-mix/15812). Wildflower calls P86 [the crush pheromone](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509). P86 definitely has more sensual and attractant qualities than just the “Shallow Hal” or “[Instant Airbrush](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-instant-airbrush/24083)” effect. > > **Sedation as an unwanted P86 effect** > > One of the problems with P86 is that many people find it has a sedating quality on themselves and sometimes people around them. Not everybody experiences this. I definitely do. But it’s worth it. I just drink a double latte before using P86. This, however, is no solution insofar as P86 affects people around the wearer. > > In a bedroom setting, where P86 enhances intimacy, I have not found the “sedating” effect to be a problem. P86 creates a relaxing effect which is totally appropriate for lounging around the bedroom with one’s lover. I have not found the effects of P86 to strongly encourage sleep, just relaxation. It definitely depresses any sense of vigilance. If one wishes to transition to or from dinner or a club, the sedating effect of P86 is a problem, “Quick, waiter, a strong cup of coffee, before my date decides I’m feeble minded!” > > Most of my attempts to find another pheromone which balances the sedating qualities of P86 have failed. When I have found a stimulating pheromone to counteract the sedating effect of P86, it has tended to counteract the desirable effects of P86 as well. P84 is an example of this. Lor found that [TAL eliminates the tiredness](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-thoughts-smiling-and-pleasantness/23947) she otherwise feels with P86, but, of course, TAL (especially for a man, but also for a woman) is going to significantly alter the direction of the mix rather than simply balance the sedation effect. > > Diane999 described [a mix which she says causes no sedation](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-thoughts-smiling-and-pleasantness/23947/6) in herself or others around her. The mix contained a small amount of P103 (a smaller amount than I have found to be effective) and a large amount (far more than seems to be the consensus optimum) of P80. Diane attributed the lack of sedation to the P80. At one point [she actually claimed P103 _was_ sedating](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103/23558/11). That seems to be a very rare reaction to P103. If anyone else is having that reaction to P103 please report! Many people report [a “rush” when they apply P103.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103/23558/5) > > **P103 fixes P86** > > I have come to the conclusion, recently, that P103 is the ideal solution to the sedation side-effect of P86. I am now trying to determine the perfect ratio of P103 to P86. It seems that about 50-60% as much P103 as P86 works best. If I wear 50mcg P86, I want between 25 and 30mcg of P103. > > As a child, I had a facial tic that concerned my parents greatly. It still kicks up occasionally in social situations where I feel nervous, not usually if I’m wearing A314. If I wear P103 with P86 in a 3:4 ratio, I am overly energized and the nervous tic starts working my face overtime, even if I am wearing A314. > > Below 50% the P103 does not overcome the sedating effects of P86. I decanted some P103 and P86 into goto bottles and went to the supermarket to cruise the aisles slowly. I began with 50mcg P86 and every couple of aisles added 6.25mcg P103. At 25mcg I was very comfortable, at 31.25mcg I was quite energized and alert. At higher doses people were irritating; their very damned existence just really pissed me off!! > > I went out drinking one evening wearing _ **25mcg P103** _ and 50mcg P86 **(1:2)**. I was comfortable, not sleepy, but not quite as alert as I would have preferred to have been, after a couple of beers. I wound up popping a _Vivarin_ which I had strategically carried as backup. On another evening I wore _ **37.5mcg P103** _ with 50mcg P86 **(3:4)**. I had a good time but that nervous twitch was working my face and I was restless and overwrought. On a third evening I wore _ **31.25mcg P103** _ with 50mcg P86 **(5:8)**, and that was just about right. The beautifying effects of P86 shown through without any tiredness or excessive nervous energy. > > One of the things I was reminded of during these experiments is that P86 seems to take about a half an hour to reach its full effect, whereas P103 starts off with an immediate rush. A good mix with P103 and P86 starts off energized and then mellows into a nice P86 glow. I generally like consistency, but I think this progression is kind of nice for a social event. > > **Speculation on how P103 works with P86** > > One of the theories on why P86 causes a feeling of tiredness or a crash is that it depletes neurotransmitters. I tend to be biased against this analysis simply because I believe an organ so delicately balanced and elaborately biologically protected as the brain should require an intervention by Big Pharma to get thrown that outta whack. When someone reports that they don’t crash from P86 until many hours after application, it does, however, add credence to the notion that something in the nature of a depletion is taking place. > > My own experience is that the calming qualities of P86 begin almost immediately, not hours later, after some neural resource is exhausted. The effect deepens over a period of minutes, possibly as adrenaline levels stabilize at a lower level. I am more inclined to think of P86 as shifting the balance of the autonomic nervous system away from the sympathetic and toward the parasympathetic. To meet the demands of the modern world, many of us rely on stress-response adrenaline to keep going. Those are the ones of us who experience a tiredness or even a crash when it is withdrawn. It is, however, necessary to soothe the “fight or flight” response in order to see the beauty in our fellow human beings. > > P103 energizes without stoking the flames of competition and vigilance. It does not seem to be a sympathetic nervous system stimulant. I would have to guess it somehow increases motivation via dopamine pathways. I previously described P103 as delivering a feeling [“that a great load has been lifted from my shoulders”](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103/23558/4). For that reason, I called it a _disinhibitor_. It felt that something was already there which was released. Other times it is just [a good stimulant.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103/23558/4) Whatever the case, the energy from P103 reminds me of _deprenyl_, which I take for its life extension effects and which raises dopamine levels. Jedi has described [appetite suppression from P103](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-solo/22873) which is also something that can be [attributed to increased dopamine](http://www.drugabuse.gov/MedAdv/01/NR2-1.html). Dopamine _inhibiting_ drugs are sometimes successful in controlling tic disorders. > > Perhaps someone with a better neurochemistry background can post an elaboration on D2 and other types of dopamine receptors. > > **Additional P86 combinations and ratios** > > P86 is a wonderful pheromone. Without exercise, weight loss, make up or new clothes, it makes you more attractive. Without beer goggles, it makes your mate more attractive. But P86 is not complete. Like a centerfold, it lacks depth or passion. Like a delicate flower, its beauty can be destroyed or even deteriorate into the yuck of wet garbage. > > P86 needs other pheromones to work well, and it needs some of them in very exact quantities, lest all be lost. Below I describe the pheromones and ratios I have found work well with P86. > > **P103:** As discussed above, a 1:2 ratio of P103 to P86 balances out the sedative qualities of P86. A ratio of 5:8 (e.g. 31.25mcg P103 to 50mcg P86) gives a more upbeat, energized mix. I find more P103 than that creates to much “nervous energy”. > > **P82:** P82 is a marvelous pheromone, easily the most underrated of the putatives and one of my favorites. When using P103 at the higher end of the suggested range, I find that a small amount of P82 soothes the irritability that a little to much P103 might cause. P82, unfortunately, requires large amounts (maybe 50-100mcg) to create significant effects, so when I say a small amount, for this application, I mean something like 12.5mcg. > > **P83:** MadisonTate, an earlier proponent of P86 than myself, recommended a ratio of 3-5:1 of P86 to P83. I am always cautious with P83 because I know it can amplify fear as well as attraction, and I want to make sure it is well guided. I like P86, so I tend to prefer the higher P86 end of the range, maybe 50mcg P86 with 10mcg P83. > > **P87:** Tater and I have both noticed that, as well as beautifying, P86 can, on rare occasions, bring out the “yucky”. Sometimes P86 can be down right depressing. On the best of occasions, P86 has a shallow, two-dimensional quality. It’s the “dumb blond” of pheromones. [P87 solves all these problems](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p87-the-brain-clutter-cleaner/19709/11). It gives depth and positive direction to a mix. A P86 mix with P87 is a quantum leap above a P86 mix without P87, _if and only if_ you get the proportions right! > > Recipes for fudge often include a pinch of salt. Well, if a pinch of salt is good, a couple of tablespoons should be much better. Right? Hell, why be a cheapskate? If you’re gonna use two cups of sugar, why not two cups of salt. Damn good fudge, right? Wrong, dumbass. Excuse me for venting, but certain people keep ragging on P87 without ever bothering to try it in reasonable amounts. In my experienced the proper ratio of P87 to P86 is 1:5. I like 10mcg P87 with 50mcg P86. If you’re only gonna use 25mcg of P86 then please give 5mcg of P87 a chance, before you start complaining about how reptilian cold P87 is. There is a difference between putting an ice cube in your drink and stepping nude out of the shower into a deep freeze. Only one microgram too much of P87 will take the delicate flower of P86, throw it on the floor and stomp on it. Put it in a vase, give it to your girlfriend and see how well that works! > > I like this quote from Wildflower on 20mcg P87: > > > [@WildFlower](#): > > > > I noticed no self effects from the p87 at first. But sure enough after time passed I became more and more distant from my emotions, what was bothering me before was no longer bothering me. I was now laughing in the face of bad energy, “you can’t touch me, I’m wearing p87”. p87 isn’t by any means a pick me up pheromone, it just seems to really quieten thoughts down so they can’t effect you so much. After all thoughts are the only thing which can cause grumpiness in the first place. > > And this one from Sillykitty on 12.5 mcg P87: > > > [@Sillykitty](#): > > > > About an hour and a half later, sexual feelings began to emerge. Not I-need-to-cuddle-and-make-love feelings. More like do-me-hard-right-here-right-now feelings. > > If what is described in the above quotes is what you are looking for then forget about P86 completely and save some money. But if you want to add an impressive depth to the “pink clouds” of P86, just a little bit of P87 makes a profound difference. Just a microgram too much and the P87 completely and totally overwhelms the P86. You might as well just pour the P86 down the toilet. I always use at least five times as much P86 as P87. > > **MEO-EST:** At a MeoEst to P86 ratio of about 1:5, MeoEst adds a moist, warm glow to the appearance of another person’s skin. I find, with the 50mcg of P86 I like to use, that much over 12.5mcg of MeoEst imposes a cold pale glare, which detracts more than it appeals. > > **P80:** Several people have reported that 7.5mcg is the optimum amount of P80. I concur. It energizes the beauty of P86 with desire. > > **IH:** I haven’t found any rigid ratios for this one. It is worth mentioning because it can very much strengthen the bond put in place by the “crush pheromone” P86. Use with caution. When you say for IH to use with caution do you mean because of it’s highly effective good effects it can add and be dangerous with the wrong kind of person? Or just to make sure it doesnt throw the whole mix off? ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 2:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688/29 "2012-03-18T14:08:54Z")
> [@](#): > > When you say for IH to use with caution do you mean because of it’s highly effective good effects it can add and be dangerous with the wrong kind of person? Or just to make sure it doesnt throw the whole mix off? It’s more about its highly effective good effects. I haven’t noticed it throwing anything off. With most people it can create a lot of trust quickly, whether that trust would otherwise be warranted or not. ---
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688/30 "2015-01-07T18:36:20Z")
Company Christmas Party: P86 2x25mcg + P103 25mcg I got my order just in time for the company Christmas party, so I tried P86 2x25mcg + P103 25mcg to my neck, which is enough to be pretty wet, so I rub my wrists on my neck to help mix the pheros and spread stuff around my pulse points. This is pretty much my standard routine for mixes where I want both self-effects and other-effects. So it’s the company Christmas party, which is generally an odd vibe, not the ideal test bed, but it’s what I had available. Mostly, I feel like it went badly for me. I felt self-conscious and socially inadequate the whole night. I had great difficulty getting out of my head and into conversation, both before and after I had a drink, and the one drink I had hit me kind of hard. Even though people were really dressed up in party finery, I wouldn’t say they looked unusually good to me. Pretty much no one seemed interested in me, whether they were from my department and saw me every day or were from another division and had never met me before. I didn’t get particularly thunderstruck by anyone and didn’t really feel terribly attracted or interested in anyone other than a few stunning women in ball gowns that turned everyone’s heads. The 2 hits I got were women who work for the company in other offices and hadn’t seen me in quite a while. I can’t really attribute any of that to the pheros as the hits were not that strong or out of the ordinary. What I can say is I felt unusually awkward, isolated, and depleted and left after 3 hours when I had planned to stay 5-6. (The party included dinner and went for over 7 hours.) To be fair, I’m an introvert, so this happens to me sometimes anyway, but on other, similar occasions (before I found pheros) I killed it. So for me, further testing will be needed. Next time I’ll spray my wrists only. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688.md?page=1)