# P109 a No-Go w/ Shine? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 24, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p109-a-no-go-w-shine/25304 "2009-01-24T21:55:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![river](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/river/32/934_2.png) [@river](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/river)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p109-a-no-go-w-shine/25304/1 "2009-01-24T21:55:32Z")
Here’s my test results w/ P109 (NOT MX109). I haven’t read any threads about this one and if I did, I don’t remember so no pre-conceived notions here! Observations are self-effects only as I did NOT notice any effect on others at any time. These are not subsequent days, just random here and there when I thought I’d have the most interaction w/ others. **Test #1** (at work; interaction w/ employees & customers off & on throughout day) **# Sprays** : 1 **App Point** : throat **Scent** : no smell on drydown beyond initial alcohol smell **Inital Observation** : none **5 min Observation** : none **15 min Observation** : none **# Sprays** : 1 (approx 15 min after 1st Application) **App Point** : throat **Initial Observation** : none **30 min Observation** : none **#Sprays** : 1 (approx 30 min after 2nd Application) **App Point** : throat **Initial Observation** : none **15 min Observation** : not much ambition; I pretty much wasted the rest of the work day doing not much of anything ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~different day~~~~~~~~~~~~~ **Test #2** (In my car on the way to the bank in town, then returned to work) I really wanted to see what self-effects, if any, I would have @ high doses, so I **sprayed 2 sprays to throat** and then unscrewed the lid and **breathed from the bottle during my 5 minute drive to town AND BACK (yes…that’s 10 min of inhale-time!)**. I figured if there were any self-effects, this would definitely do it! LOL! Initially, the only effect I got was the tip of my nose tingling but I think this was just from the extra oxygen from my deep breaths and probably a little from the alcohol in the mix. **10 min Observation** : Tingling in nose gone; no effects noticed on the ladies @ the bank **30 min Observation** : Back at work; tired; lazy **#Sprays** : 2 more (approx 30 min after initial application & sniffing test) **App Point** : throat **Initial Observation** : no change from the tiredness/laziness **15 min Observation** : I felt like I should go home & sit on the couch and meditate:rolleyes:; not able to focus on one thing for very long; scatter-brained **1 hour Observation** : same so I decided to spray on some Shine which I always get an initial “rush” from and then a giddy, energetic feeling for approx 2-3 hours; **Sprayed 2 sprays Instant Shine 2x to throat** **Initial Observation w/ Shine addition** : same “bleh”, mellowed out, lazy feeling; **NO** initial rush like I usually get from Shine:eek: **5 min Observation w/ Shine addition** : **Sprayed 1 more spray Instant Shine 2x to throat/face** ; weak “rush” feeling; no “up lifting” like I usually get **20 min Observation** : same so I **Sprayed 2 sprays of TAF (25 mcg)**; usually Shine w/ a spray or two really gets me buzzed and wired, but this time, the effects were mild like what I would normally see w/ a very small amount of Shine/TAF; was able to get more done @ work, but at a slower, less hurried pace than usual; still somewhat lack of ambition; initially I chalked this up to just one of those days kinda thing but my other tests w/ Shine and TAF had very similar results; TAF alone w/ P109 gave me a spaced out feeling ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~different day~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \*\*Test #3 \*\*(church; grocery store; home w/ 3 little kids) **#Sprays** : 3 **App Point** : hair & throat **Initial Observation** : none **15 min Observation** : chilled out; not griping @ the kids to get ready for church as usual; more of a “whatever goes” attitude **30 min Observation** : kind of zoned out in church; hearing but not really listening; slightly tired; this is unusual for me as I enjoy this normally **90 min Observation** : at the grocery store, I think I could have just spent the afternoon wandering up and down the isles, thinking of everything, yet nothing in particular **2 hour Observation** : at home; feeling lazy; kids were kind of wild (they are 7, 5, and 3 years old:rolleyes:) but didn’t seem to bother me @ all even after they spilled red koolaid on the carpet and tipped over the trash can in their over-zealous attempts to imitate their favorite race car drivers. LOL! ~~~~~~~~~~~~ I tested and managed to use up 2 TOGO’s all with very similar results as above: I was thinking maybe it would mellow out someone in a bitchy mood, not bring them “up” per se like Shine or IFM, but more bring “down” the bitchiness. Maybe to the point where you think you should just sit on the couch and think about it for a while! LOL! For me, it seemed to nearly **negate** all effects of the Shine!😮 And I gotta have my Shine!!! ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p109-a-no-go-w-shine/25304/2 "2009-01-25T15:02:36Z")
i found it interesting that you felt repeatedly tired/lazy but that it did not affect the kids at all it seems. you wore 3 sprays in their company all day long, and you even described them as wild at one point. do you think it might be their metabolism? could it be you are getting much more of a dose than they are? are their other factors (not enough sleep,diet,ect) that might be contributing to this clashing find? nice report 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![river](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/river/32/934_2.png) [@river](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/river)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p109-a-no-go-w-shine/25304/3 "2009-01-25T18:13:05Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i found it interesting that you felt repeatedly tired/lazy but that it did not affect the kids at all it seems. > > you wore 3 sprays in their company all day long, and you even described them as wild at one point. > > do you think it might be their metabolism? > > could it be you are getting much more of a dose than they are? > > are their other factors (not enough sleep,diet,ect) that might be contributing to this clashing find? > > nice report 🙂 Good point, I wasn’t very observant that day but I do remember the 40 minute ride to church was pretty quiet and they did behave themselves in church, sat & doodled on their papers. Usually they’re up & down, and asking to go to the bathroom as an excuse to not sit still. They fell asleep on the 40 minute ride home. Once they woke up though, they were wound up, racing around like they usually do. I think it may have to do w/ proximity. They were right next to me in church & of course the car is confined but at home they were in the other room for the most part. They do have a pretty high energy level normally, so that could be part of it too. I can’t think of any other factors that are out of the ordinary. Have you used this putative yet? What have you found w/ it? I’ll have to search it & see what others are experiencing.