# P74 alone: irritable arguments at first, later a good day with my girlfriend **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 6, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082 "2013-02-06T16:12:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![s\_t\_f](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@s\_t\_f](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/s_t_f)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/1 "2013-02-06T16:12:20Z")
Monday morning I decided to see what effects p74 would have by itself so before my theropy I applied 5 sprays of p74 (5mcg) for a total of 25mcg. I didnt really notice anything out of the ordinary. When I got home I crawled back into bed with my girlfriend and went back to sleep. Tuesday I decided to only use three sprays of p74 (5mcg) for a total of 15mcg. I found myself to be irradiated very easily. When on my way to my girlfriends house I called and we got into an argument over her attitude and I just turned around and went home. We then argued for the rest of the night. I noticed that my irritably was heightened. Today I decided to give it one more shot on its own. 3 sprays of p74 (5mcg) for a total of 15mcg. I had to drop some products off to my mom and when I walked in she made a comment about my remote start beeping and had a disgusted look on her face. I felt some irritating feelings start to take over my mind but held them back. As she was writing a check for me I grabbed a handful of trail mix that was on the counter and started eating it. As I was chewing normally she stated that she cant take me chomping food like that. So I threw the rest of what was in my hand away, grabbed the che k and walked out saying if I cant chew food without you making a comment im leaving. She then got mad for me throwing away the rest of what I had in my hand away. As for my mom making comments, thats normal. She is very critical of everyone and very gudgemental of everything. But normally I just brush it off and it doesn’t bother me, I’m typically the only one of us children that can put up with this attitude. But today I was just so irritated. Final thoughts. I seem to get irritated very easily while wearing alone. Maybe the 5 sprays I caused a ghosting effect and 3 sprays I od. Maybe less will be better as a stand alone. I will try 2 sprays another time to see if anything is different. I have wore p74 with other mones and didn’t seem to be effected this way at all. Further more I am trying not to do research on mones when testing alone so I can best see how they work for me. Your 2 cents is most welcome though!!! ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/2 "2013-02-06T21:24:34Z")
Yes, some mones are directing or a kind of support for your emotional state and others are primary’s in the sense that they take center stage. Good thoughts, and will keep an eye out on your journal now that I’m subscribed! :O) 1Alpha . ---
**Author:** ![s\_t\_f](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@s\_t\_f](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/s_t_f)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 6:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/3 "2013-02-07T06:32:21Z")
So im guessing p74 supports your current emotions. If I was already crabby then It would heighted that sense. Im probably going to order more IH. I found these two to be good around my girlfriend when used together. I just can’t wait to try the a314 oil when its back in stock. Thanks for subscribing. ---
**Author:** ![s\_t\_f](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@s\_t\_f](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/s_t_f)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 5:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/4 "2013-02-10T05:51:26Z")
I finally had some positive results with p74 [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) (5mcg)- 2 sprays to left and right of neck. (10mcg total) I was with my girlfriend all day and we went shopping and ran some errands. The mood we were both in was kind of carefreeish. We joked, laughed, and just had an all around good day enjoying eachnothers company. It did seem a bit best friendish, but I think that was good for us. She still gave me kisses in public and stayed close. It just felt like we had a better connection. After few hiurs of being out and about we stopped home to drop off shopping bags and get ready to head over to my aunts house for family birthdays. She asked me about some notes I had wrote down that she saw about my testing mones. I explained to her what they were and that I was helping a company do research and couldn’t tell her because of the placebo effect(she works in medicine so she understood). I sprayed on more spray of p74 (5mcg) to the front of my neck as we left. When we got to my aunt’s house , it seemed more people than usual were starting conversations with me. My aunt sat down next to me and started rubbing my back as she was chatting away. So all in all it felt like I had a better connection with anyone near me. Almost as people weren’t so guarded around me. I even got a guys number for my business as well, with minimal effort. I guess the next step is to wear two sprays a few more times and compare results, then kick it back up to three dprays to see if I get the irritability back. ---
**Author:** ![s\_t\_f](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@s\_t\_f](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/s_t_f)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 4:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/5 "2013-02-12T04:34:54Z")
2/10/13 [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) (5mcg) - 2 sprays to left and right of neck. Hung out with my dad and wevwent to a gun show. He seemed more at ease around me and we had decent conversations. Was a good day spent with my dad. 2/11/13 P74 (5mcg) - 3 sprays to left, front, and right of neck. Spend the evening with my girlfriend and she seemed more into me, like wanting my attention more than usual. When wearing p74 she is more talkative and seems to connect more. Next time I will try 4 sprays and see if I keep getting better results. ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/6 "2013-02-12T09:56:30Z")
basically [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) is an improved replacement for the nol sprays. I’ve always said P74 was better. Too bad P90 no longer exists because it substituted IH quite nicely. ---
**Author:** ![s\_t\_f](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@s\_t\_f](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/s_t_f)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/7 "2013-02-13T19:43:14Z")
2/12/13 [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) (5mcg) - 4 sprays to left, front, right, and back of neck. (20mcg total) Great results with the girlfriend again. I’m glad I kept testing regardless of my first few negative tries. I’m starting to really like this molecule.!! ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 1:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/8 "2013-02-14T13:52:29Z")
> [@examine](#): > > basically P74 is an improved replacement for the nol sprays. I’ve always said P74 was better. Too bad P90 no longer exists because it substituted IH quite nicely. You are correct. It is a sustainable and perhaps superior substitute in ANOL, BNOL, IO and IH applications. ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/9 "2013-02-14T14:29:55Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > You are correct. It is a sustainable and perhaps superior substitute in ANOL, BNOL, IO and IH applications. No. Can be used as an replacement but not comparable to the Androstenols. Totally different effects, definitely not superior. Thanks for the reports s\_t\_f! ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/10 "2013-02-14T15:00:48Z")
> [@still18](#): > > No. Can be used as an replacement but not comparable to the Androstenols. Totally different effects, definitely not superior. > > Thanks for the reports s\_t\_f! no. if [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) is the molecule that I’ve heard it to be…it is in fact a hybrid amp’d up, longer lasting nol. ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/11 "2013-02-14T15:17:01Z")
> [@examine](#): > > no. > > if P74 is the molecule that I’ve heard it to be…it is in fact a hybrid amp’d up, longer lasting nol. What’s your source? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/12 "2013-02-14T15:33:13Z")
> [@still18](#): > > What’s your source? I can tell you this: the only thing I can find (and I looked really, really well) chemically close to [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) would be the levo isomer of ANOL. If BNOL has a close chemical cousin, I can’t find one with the distinct sandalwood/musk odor. It smells somewhat of a musty old closet; slightly moldy. Real ANOL is d-5-a-Androstenol. P74 could be l-5-a-Androstenol (at least odor wise). It acts like straight 50/50 IO and IH, but more sedating. It lacks the bubbly effect of ANOL. It’s a little more tranquil, very much so at 30 mcg. ---
**Author:** ![s\_t\_f](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@s\_t\_f](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/s_t_f)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/13 "2013-02-14T15:55:18Z")
> [@still18](#): > > Thanks for the reports s\_t\_f! You’re welcome. Hopefully one of these days I can earn reporting user status so I can order other stuff to try. My next tests will be on p75. 2/13/13 [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) (5mcg) - 4 sprays to left, front, right, and back of neck (20mcg total) IH - about 4 sprays to neck and wrists (I say “about” because the sprayer wasnt working properly on my 30ml bottle.) Had a casual meeting with a guy in my business and it went rather well. My girlfriend also stopped by and once again it felt like we connected better. All in all I feel like p74 helps create a connection or a bond. Definately great for ltr in my opinion, well at least for mine. ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/14 "2013-02-14T15:56:53Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I can tell you this: the only thing I can find (and I looked really, really well) chemically close to P74 would be the levo isomer of ANOL. If BNOL has a close chemical cousin, I can’t find one with the distinct sandalwood/musk odor. It smells somewhat of a musty old closet; slightly moldy. Real ANOL is d-5-a-Androstenol. P74 could be l-5-a-Androstenol (at least odor wise). It acts like straight 50/50 IO and IH, but more sedating. It lacks the bubbly effect of ANOL. It’s a little more tranquil, very much so at 30 mcg. How would you know what’s chemically close to [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)? Dosage and in terms of effects it comes close to Estratetraenol, surely other companies would have offered P74 by now if it was related to the Androstenol family. ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/15 "2013-02-14T15:58:02Z")
> [@s\_t\_f](#): > > You’re welcome. Hopefully one of these days I can earn reporting user status so I can order other stuff to try. My next tests will be on p75. > > 2/13/13 > > P74 (5mcg) - 4 sprays to left, front, right, and back of neck (20mcg total) > IH - about 4 sprays to neck and wrists (I say “about” because the sprayer wasnt working properly on my 30ml bottle.) > > Had a casual meeting with a guy in my business and it went rather well. My girlfriend also stopped by and once again it felt like we connected better. > > All in all I feel like p74 helps create a connection or a bond. Definately great for ltr in my opinion, well at least for mine. You’ll definitely earn reporting user status in no time when you keep reporting! Looking forward to your reports! Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 4:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/16 "2013-02-14T16:11:56Z")
> [@still18](#): > > How would you know what’s chemically close to P74? Dosage and in terms of effects it comes close to Estratetraenol, surely other companies would have offered P74 by now if it was related to the Androstenol family. I honestly don’t know. There are companies in the perfumery industry that will sell you any of several molecules that smell like sandalwood, but they are not [pheromone](https://a314.com/) steroids. They will sell you molecules that smell like semen. Want a semen-smell perfume? I’m being a little silly here, of course. I would have thought that chemists had identified and recorded every possible steroid or phero derived from cholesterol. They’d all have a four-ring structure. Maybe not. Maybe the chemical world is naive somehow to P74–or, more likely, it’s biological use has been overlooked. ANOL and eNONE are biologically worlds apart. Structurally? Not so much. Does Estratetraenol smell musty/musky or like sandalwood? Example: Levo-Methorphan. Prohibited narcotic. DextroMethorphan (d-Methorphan). Cough medicine. The latter has some slight psychoactive properties. I’m not in the business of selling chemicals. However, the day may come when AD can’t offer NOL products. It’s worthwhile to contemplate mixes that use P74. I want to look really carefully at mixes I can make from P75, 74, TAC, TAA, etc. I can get these in 30 mL. I can’t get the NOLS in 30 mL at any reasonable price. If 74 could really work as a reasonable alternative to IO or IH, great. If it’s a dud, I will go with the real deal as long as it lasts. I have no idea if at any given time the store will run out of IO or IH. Then where am I? It’s like copulins and A1. They aren’t coming back. I have a site that gives me the stereo 3-D structure of about 200 molecules in perfumery. They’re a supplier to that industry vs. in the phero/sex business. I’m not going to post their site here. It all comes down to a hydroxyl or hydrogen on one of the carbons. It changes everything. These all undergo REDOX reactions under a catalyst as part of steroid metabolism. The perfume business is about making nice smells. They often ignore the phero aspect. ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/17 "2013-02-14T16:23:22Z")
> [@still18](#): > > What’s your source? That site is banned from being posted here so I can’t post a link. just know it is. How long have you been using [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) exactly? Read up on some of the earlier 07’ reports, the signs are there… it’s not like there aren’t other nols, like ANDROSTADIENOL for example. ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/18 "2013-02-14T16:29:26Z")
> [@examine](#): > > That site is banned from being posted here so I can’t post a link. > > just know it is. How long have you been using P74 exactly? > > Read up on some of the earlier 07’ reports, the signs are there… > > it’s not like there aren’t other nols, like ANDROSTADIENOL for example. It would be nice if you could post a link of the earlier 07’ reports as a reference, you’re not being really helpful in posting assumptions without references. ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/19 "2013-02-14T16:33:43Z")
> [@still18](#): > > It would be nice if you could post a link of the earlier 07’ reports as a reference, you’re not being really helpful in posting assumptions without references. > [@spreadsheet summarising putatives & MX](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spreadsheet-summarising-putatives-mx/4008): > > I now have [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) - 1..? and losing track a bit of which of the forum feedback on the more obscure notes so I made this for myself and thought why not share. posted here for now [Google Docs & Spreadsheets - Mix Guide](http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pQNd0an1GwdasioEPdlh_IA) it’s not complete - please post to the thread (not as a PM) if there is something I should add. if you’ve been posting here a while, PM me your email and I will give you permission to edit. hit the tab at the top of the spreadsheet. the most early reports of [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/). > [@](#): > > 5-100 mcg • Is very useful in fostering harmony, friendliness and cooperation in groups (Kitten, itwow, PheroQuirk, Jasmin, tacitus); > • Helps with enhanced attraction from women at least for some men/ ‘boyfriend’ effect (SwingerMD, Sigma, perronec); > • Leads to feelings of empathy (similar to Estratetraenol in that way) from the wearer and the recipients - at high doses this can be ‘hyper-empathetic’ (PheroQuirk, tacitus, SwingerMD); > • Helps to convey a mellow, cool guy persona of the wearer (PheroQuirk, Flipcat, m3turbo, perronec); > • When conversations start with P74 in the air, they can lead to a caffeinated-like high energy chattiness (Lor, Tommy Fever, sigma); > • May not be suitable to wear when one does not have the time or energy for lengthy chats, hanging out and bonding (Jasmin, PheroQuirk, Nunya); > • Can enhance social magnetism (Sigma, Jasmin, Nunya, Kitten); > • May be useful as a comforting/soothing pheromone for PMS (Jasmin); > • User reports differ in how long it lasts from 3-4 hours to well over 5 hours possibly (May, PheroQuirk, Matthew24, Rbt); > • For some users, P74 needs at least a slight amount of A314 (or another molecule) to ‘anchor’/’ground’/’steer’ its sometime ‘socially out of control effects’ and maintain composure (sigma, Lor, LaurieNY); > • At least to some people’s noses, P74’s scent is not pleasant/unusual and may need to be covered because of this fact (LaurieNY, smoothplayer); > • May make animals, at least cats and dogs, act friendlier towards the wearer (tacitus, Matthew24, 9ks2k); > • P74 could be useful for creating new opportunities and contacts in work/business situations (May); > • P74, like most other ‘friendly pheromones’, can lead to loss of influence on decision making, particularly in work/business situations – high doses of A314 may be able to ‘limit’ this effect (idle); > • Seems to help reconcile components that would otherwise pull in different directions such as TAA and TAC (tacitus, PheroQuirk); > • Is a useful as a ‘softener’/brightener to ‘darker’ pheromones like Androstenone, high-dose P83 and A314 (tacitus and PheroQuirk for Androstenone and P83, sigma and perronec For A314); > • Adds a communicative/empathy aspect to sex (tacitus) ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-alone-irritable-arguments-at-first-later-a-good-day-with-my-girlfriend/58082/20 "2013-02-14T16:41:29Z")
> [@still18](#): > > It would be nice if you could post a link of the earlier 07’ reports as a reference, you’re not being really helpful in posting assumptions without references. Tacitus supposedly said 74 was between ANOL and EST, roughly. Now, the structure of EST and ANOL is quite alike. It’s just that the first ring has some double bonds. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Estratetraenol\_chemical\_structure.png](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Estratetraenol_chemical_structure.png) Tacitus: > [@methoxy. and estrateraenol](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/methoxy-and-estrateraenol/97/2): > > we only know a small part of the picture for now Estratetraenol make me, a male, cross eyed giddy with interest in females. OL indicates a hydroxyl group, and male attractant [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) appear to have the -oh in a key position. In androstenOL this can be shifted to an alpha or beta orientation which have distinct differences in their social effects. Don’t know if estratetraenol allow the alpha/beta positional options. The -ONE indicates a single oxygen in the same position. MEO-Estratetraenon… > [@P74 is NOT what i expected](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/9): > > i have never tried EST on its own frowning[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/), because i used it alone, was pretty raw. it was sharp in that there is no doubt i was affected; nebulous in the way that it caused many different reactions, and i cant honestly say it was just like anything i have tried. it is something extremely upbeat in sweet doses. so,alphanol in that respect; but alphanol is dreamy and buzzy… this was a caffeinated version of that. i personally didnt get an empathy vibe. i cant stress how people seem… Alpha NOL has a left and right isomer. BNOL, I don’t know. EST could have a Alpha and Beta form or isomers of either. I really don’t know. That’s what he was getting at. I can’t remember IUPAC naming without a Dummies book. Compare ANOL, in my avatar. I don’t know what EST smells like.