# P74 effects and dosage (and racial theory) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 5, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628 "2011-08-05T03:13:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/1 "2011-08-05T03:13:06Z")
I’d like to invite everyone to chime in with their current thoughts about P74’s effects and the best dosage range. I’ll go into detail here about my own, but feel free to be very brief in your responses. I’ve been trying P74 at 50mcg on my wrists. All the hits I’ve gotten have been consistent with being “old friends”. In once case, just after putting it on (while it was still wafting strong) I looked at this woman and we both swore we knew each other from way back and spent 5 minutes trying to figure it out. At this far remove, I’m convinced it was the P74. I can certainly see how people would describe this as “cool” or “rapport”, but I feel it as distinctly different. I see it very specifically as “ **I know you well enough to trust you not to hurt me emotionally** ” or more simply “ **relax, you’re among friends**.” I can say what I want and I know you’ll take it the right way and won’t use it against me or make me feel bad for having said it. I **don’t** get the feeling of _trust_ that would make it OK to lend you my car, I don’t get the _deep rapport_ where I want to mirror and agree with you on everything, and I don’t feel a sense of _I want to be like you_ that I get around cool people. I get the feeling of trust that I get when hanging out with old college buddies. As for P74 being sexual (as in erotic, not as in masculine or feminine), I’d say that in creating that kind of emotional trust and comfort, it is pro-sexual but anti-tension, which means it works differently than “animal lust”. It’s the deeper kind of sexual attraction that you hear people who have been together for over a decade talk about. It doesn’t explode your brain, it melts your heart. (Of course, keep in mind that it’s only a [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) and not as powerful of an influence as I’m describing. I’m just talking about direction.) Thinking about humans on the evolutionary scale, we’ve been tribal and other tribes were dangerous so we relied on our own tribe for our very survival. As we grew up in a tribe, we’d imprint on sort of the tribal pheromone signature, just the way we imprint on physical racial traits. P74 for me goes right to that part of the brain that says “this is a trusted member of my tribe.” Now personally, I can’t tell if that’s because it is evocative of my actual tribal signature (white European) or because it bypasses the system and goes directly to stimulating the tribal recognition area of the brain. Either seems plausible, and so far all my hits have been with white Europeans, and I have noted reports on the forum that P74 makes some people uncomfortable, which may be because it signals “other tribe” to them. I’d love for other people to share their thoughts. As for dosage, 50 mcg seems like a ridiculous amount of a pheromone and I only tried it because many reports were around this range. I have to say, though, that it doesn’t seem like an OD and it does seem much more effective than 12.5 mcg which is what I tried before. I’m going to run out of my little bottles soon at this rate and would like to hear more about people using less before I shell out for the big bottle at 50 mcg. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 9:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/2 "2011-08-05T09:36:07Z")
Dunno about European - Some of my strongest and most blatent hits with [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) have been from Indian women. Agree with the dose range - I find 30/40mcg suits me well. ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 12:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/3 "2011-08-05T12:24:08Z")
At 25 mcgs I have had consistent “wanting to stay around” responses and affection. I had no reactions at 50mcgs. Most of the affectionate responses were from Anglo-European stock and the others too ambiguous to be sure of hits. Combined with IH, at 12.5mcgs seemed to enhance the IH and add a little levity. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/4 "2011-08-05T16:25:42Z")
Roll call! _ **“M&M!”** _ _ **“PRESENTABLE~!”** _ 😃 Subbing for future\*\* [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)\*\* discoveries! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/5 "2011-08-05T16:26:48Z")
I’ve been wanting to report but never got around to writing it recently butfor myself personallyP74 at 15mcgs/30mcgs + P79 at 15 mcgs/30mcgs (1:1 ratio) with mx297, 2 or 3 spraysis instant win. Basically speaking apart from being “popular” you become “funny” too. People laugh easier at things you say, even when its not very funny and definitely not in a patronising way. I’ve tried it at work, at night class and at social gatherings. I haven’t been hitting the clubs of late so no chance to test there.mx297 attracts people to you, [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) + P79 adds the humour oomph.So when girls say they’re attracted to “humour” I’m suspecting that the above mix might actually steer and aid in that direction.I’ve taken to replacing A314 and IH to using A314 and P74 and only using IH and P74 and A314 altogether only for very important business occasions. So in here its your “trust” and “cooperative” mone.My theory on P74 is that its social but in a deeper/connective way? Perhaps similar to Beta Androstenol just that it doesn’t facilitate as much “communication”. The deepness and familiarity is already implied ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/6 "2011-08-05T16:27:35Z")
I’ve been wanting to report but never got around to writing it recently but for myself personally [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) at 15mcgs/30mcgs + P79 at 15 mcgs/30mcgs (1:1 ratio) with mx297, 2 or 3 sprays, is instant win. Basically speaking apart from being “popular” you become “funny” too. People laugh easier at things you say, even when its not very funny and definitely not in a patronising way. I’ve tried it at work, at night class and at social gatherings. I haven’t been hitting the clubs of late so no chance to test there. mx297 attracts people to you, P74 + P79 adds the humour oomph. So when girls say they’re attracted to “humour” I’m suspecting that the above mix might actually steer and aid in that direction. I’ve taken to replacing A314 and IH to using A314 and P74 and only using IH and P74 and A314 altogether only for very important business occasions. So in here its your “trust” and “cooperative” mone. My theory on P74 is that its social but in a deeper/connective way? Perhaps similar to Beta Androstenol just that it doesn’t facilitate as much “communication”. The deepness and familiarity is already implied ---
**Author:** ![darkoctavyo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/darkoctavyo/32/1394_2.png) [@darkoctavyo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/darkoctavyo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2011, 11:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/7 "2011-08-08T11:06:34Z")
good thread…! ---
**Author:** ![samuraitea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/samuraitea/32/1998_2.png) [@samuraitea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/samuraitea)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2011, 12:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/8 "2011-08-08T12:31:49Z")
I can’t say it is racial in the slightest…But I am not around others (not Caucasian) enough to notice (except maybe Asians). I rock a 25mcg on the reg, however I do recall using 50mcg before and I am sure once I hit school I will test it higher… My results seem a bit more flirty/feel than yours but that could easily be our personalities being different. After doing 1 togo bottle of p74 I bought a reg bottle @ 25mcg, it has become a staple of mine. Whenever I want people to feel good/that long friend feeling p74 with a touch of IS and/or a touch n(r)one makes things go really smooth! My fav combo thus far has been p83+p74 though…Can’t beat it (read journal to find out 😉) Great thread by the way! ~Tea ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2011, 12:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/9 "2011-08-08T12:48:52Z")
This is pretty interesting. and makes me wonder how closely related P74 and P93 are. Both molecules have been reported to have a sort of boyfriend type quality. Both molecules have been reported to create a sense of “teamwork” or “cooperation” While I haven’t tested these molecules as standalones, I have used them in that they are both present in MX301 and I noticed both of the above effects. Since I hadn’t used either alone, it’s hard to say which effects can be attributed to which molecule. Up until now though, the main difference I’d read was that a lot of users got the impression that P93 seemed racially specific in it’s effect. (hard to say if it works on one race in particular, or if it’s effects are dependent on the racial stock of the wearer. But now P74? This is really interesting and could go to the “tribal” origins mentioned above. In many ways this could enhance a leadership vibe for a product like A314 (for obvious reasons, in an integrated society it could also hinder it). But an attachment to “those like me”, and “teamwork” seems like if this could be something evolved for Alpha’s to help unite a group they might be leading and foster a sense of solidarity. I think it might be worth considering a comparison package of this. Maybe something like an IG/IO or IG/[Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) combo mix, one with 5 mcg of P93 added, One with P74 added, one with 2.5 mcg of each, and one with the base mix but no putative added. These putatives have been tested pretty well, but not compared against eachother on a large scale like this and it would be interesting to me to see just how similar they are and how different. ---
**Author:** ![hillcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@hillcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillcat)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2011, 1:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/10 "2011-08-08T13:21:37Z")
I did notice something while testing [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) alot of hit came from asian women anyway asian women seems to respond very well to this. I always tested this at 20 mcg on my forearms. Defenetly make people arround you happy go lucky kinda feeling. But really seems to attract asian women. I know that usually that they are attracted mostly to low none producers maybe we are on to something here. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/11 "2011-08-08T14:14:32Z")
P74/IH is a favourite paring of mine - As well as having the aforementioned dramatic effects on Indian women - Although A74/anything seems to work well there, it seems to produce a more general awestruck/crush vibe. This is not a party mone but most certainly the one that I would use when I wanted to impress someone with my abilities in other ways. 🙂 I’ve found other good pheros to use with it are A314, Ammo, NPA and P83. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/12 "2011-08-08T15:17:10Z")
I have P74@15mcg and use it now and then, maybe a couple of times a week. For the last weeks I’ve been writing down all combos and making notes of the effects, both day and night time wear. The best mix involving P74 has so far been this for me: 2 sp ISx2 neck 1 sp IOx4 arms 2 sp P74 arms And then on my head I wore a cocktail I blended in an empty to go: 1,5 sp Ammox2 in [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) (6%) 1,5 sp PA Akuto (6% or 20%, I don’t know. I ordered 20% and the invoice said so but on the bottle it says 6%) 2 dr DPG (Been doing it sometimes after Steve said it prolongs the life of the mones) It’s a nice mix. Great in day time and one of the nights I went out after work when the mones ought to have been on me for some 7 hours or so and I still got hits. That could be because I knew most of the people I ran into though, both guys and girls. I’ve been wearing mones for just over a year now and there might be some fallout effect in people. It would seem so, because whatever I choose to wear, I never go wrong with the people I meet frequently. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2011, 3:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/13 "2011-08-08T15:22:13Z")
I’m a little worried of getting too fond of these putatives since many of them have been out of stock for ages. I have a lot left in my [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) bottle but the P83 is getting scarce. Others I’d like to try have been unavailable for as long as I can remember. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/14 "2011-08-08T19:05:13Z")
Its posts like these that make me go back to he drawing board 🙂. My vote for TOTW ---
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/15 "2011-08-08T22:47:42Z")
P74 and laughter > [@Johnny\_Gslinger](#): > > Basically speaking apart from being “popular” you become “funny” too. People laugh easier at things you say, even when its not very funny and definitely not in a patronising way. Lots of research into what makes people laugh. If someone you like, someone who has higher status, or someone you are depending on for something says something that could be taken as funny, you’re more likely to laugh. This one comedy writer tells the story of meeting one of his idols, George Burns: Burns: What do you do? Writer: I’m a writer. Burns: So write something! Writer: [laughs hysterically] I think [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) works on the “someone you like” and maybe “higher status” levels to get you more laughs. ---
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2011, 10:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/16 "2011-08-08T22:50:23Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > This is pretty interesting. and makes me wonder how closely related P74 and P93 are. Unfortunately, I don’t have P93 to compare it to. ☹ Re: dosage, I’ve not had any luck with 25mcg. Haven’t tried much between 25 and 50mcg, but 50mcg seems a winner for me. I agree that P83 and IO make great additions. I don’t have IH, so I haven’t tried it, but I’d be worried that things would get tragically deep with a [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) IH combo. ---
**Author:** ![fenfen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/2acd7d/32.png) [@fenfen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fenfen)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/17 "2011-08-10T00:16:31Z")
Hey…I am new to the forum, and just started my trial of p74 couple days ago. The first day i tried it, i used only one spray of 12.5 mcg. I didn’t really experience that many hits that day, as I did the coffee shop rounds and work. Im not completely new to [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/), so I kinda know what a hit is. My second time trying I bumped it to 25 mcg, and started noticing people being a little chatty around me and lingering a little bit more than usual especially at work. I’m a pretty social person in general so it can be kinda confusing to differentiate at times, but I noticed a difference. My third time trying I stayed at 25 mcg, but added 2x IS 2 sprays. I have been loving IS for a while now and so I wondered if the two would complement each other. Yeah for me it did…lots of smiling and you smell goods and just a lot of i wanna hang type feel. Like I said I’m sorta new but I like p74 so far. As far as racial theory, all races seem to be affected… for me that is ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-effects-and-dosage-and-racial-theory/51628/18 "2012-06-05T15:54:27Z")
I’ve used [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) in the following dosages, all to my wrists, if wearing long sleeves or forearms when wearing short sleeves. With several days on each level: 5 mu: Not much in effects on others. Others, Asians, mostly, no negative fall out. Hispanics, nothing negative on this level. No positive reaction, feelings of rapport or comfort either. For me, their was minimal effects, if any. In self effect, just had the occasional waft of the cookie scent. No perceptible feelings coming forth with this on. Mostly at work or shootin’ the breeze with some clients. 15 mu: Now, with about 10 minutes of exposure, that is with me in the room and others around me, Hispanic and Asian, yes, have a camaraderie that will develop. Though, I have known these guys for years, yes, this level will bring about the common experiences and friendship that sometimes take for granted and with any kind of interaction with a smile and comment will get these feelings going. I saw this thread and am giving a mega dose a go @ 50 mu to the forearms. I will post up anything out of the ordinary with it.