# P74 is NOT what i expected **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 24, 2007, 2:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704 "2007-03-24T14:32:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 2:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/1 "2007-03-24T14:32:34Z")
i was on a mission tonight. the plan was to wear 50 mcg of P74 and go to some of the regular places i go. i thought i was being smart about it- grab a phero-buddy and right before walking in the door of our local watering hole , spray it on like a mad woman. i grab the bottle and give tommy fever a good dose, and close by the face. on the neck it was. yep. right by the face. ask him. if he remembers. i go “ummmmm..” he said what? what! “oh _nothing_- turn around, let me hit you arms, chest and back. wow. ummm…” tommy: what? why do you keep saying ummm? you smell dude. its a feety musky smell. not in your face, but i catch it every once in a while. tommy: so i smell like feet? oh, your next! i spray to my arms and hair- yeah, feet in my hair- and we walked into the bar. tommy is at 40mcg,me at around 30-40. we get greeted at the door imediately,before we’re fully through it. we figured oh they will smell it for sure. they take our get-out-of-jail-free cards so that we dont have to pay cover, and right about at that time, one of the gals looks at me and says HI !!! its so good to see you! -and she is looking me up and down like she cannot even believe im there . (i was there last week) tommy looks at me like "what the hell what that all about? i shrugged. all night we laughed. not about funny stuff, but the way you laugh when your going to get caught by the teacher and get in trouble. _we did not expect any of that_. we went about our biz. he played pool , i gabbed and listened to the band. one gal noted for being anti-social literally asked me not to leave her. we gabbed about nothing important, but she was in my face,as if i wouldnt understand her unless i read her lips. very weird. the whole time we were there, we got lots of stares. confused "why do you look familiar " stares. i dont know why, but people in very close proximity seemed confused after a while. i keep seeing this “dont i know you?” thing. “where have i seen you before?” guess you have to experience it. after about 2 hours,we go to another familiar place and add 3 more sprays. ok, more laughing like our face muscles just want to do that whether something is funny or not. this isnt typical,we phero-up all the time. this should be old hat. people were definatetly closer than need be. one couple chose to remain within inches of me,with plenty of space to sit. we watched them while they gabbed,nonstop,and slowly inched towards my cloud,until they were both talking directly behind my head. i was going to ask if i was in their way, but it was obvious they werent aware they were migrating. most of my experience was self-reaction. the space,nomatter how big the place was, seemed to expand and contract according to focus. i felt antsy, like i wanted to move but not gracefully. easily distracted. driving was fun 🙄 the bartenders were VERY friendly (i know them,not a tip-manuever) and not in a talkitive way, more like when you wear instant shine and people just want to be around you, this stuff made people smile ALOT. im social to begin with, but this stuff i noticed made people social with me. as a reactor myself, i didnt feel like initiating conversation. others initiated with me. and then wanted to remain in “my space”. at high doses, i was antsy and uncomfortable . headachey. dry-mouth. 30mcg would be the perfect party additive, i think. 60mcg was burn-out. i _definately_ want to play with it in the 30mcg range. it was not only pleasant, _but desirable_. im looking forward to it. in the 60mcg range, i literally needed to “come down” and regain my focus. id like to add that all night long i had 1 beer, one unsweetened icetea, and one carbonated mineral water. normally i drink, but tonight the desire to get buzzed was completely substituted by the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) worn. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 2:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/2 "2007-03-24T14:42:43Z")
cool report. thanks lor. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/3 "2007-03-24T15:06:39Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i was on a mission tonight. > > the plan was to wear 50 mcg of P74 and go to some of the regular places i go. > > i thought i was being smart about it- > > grab a phero-buddy and right before walking in the door of our local watering hole , spray it on like a mad woman. > > i grab the bottle and give tommy fever a good dose, and close by the face. on the neck it was. yep. right by the face. ask him. if he remembers. > > i go “ummmmm..” he said what? what! > > “oh _nothing_- > turn around, let me hit you arms, chest and back. wow. ummm…” > > tommy: > what? why do you keep saying ummm? > > you smell dude. its a feety musky smell. not in your face, but i catch it every once in a while. > > tommy: > so i smell like feet? oh, your next! > > i spray to my arms and hair- > yeah, feet in my hair- > and we walked into the bar. tommy is at 40mcg,me at around 30-40. > > we get greeted at the door imediately,before we’re fully through it. > we figured oh they will smell it for sure. > they take our get-out-of-jail-free cards so that we dont have to pay cover, and right about at that time, one of the gals looks at me and says > > HI !!! its so good to see you! -and she is looking me up and down like she cannot even believe im there . (i was there last week) > > tommy looks at me like "what the hell what that all about? > > i shrugged. > > all night we laughed. not about funny stuff, but the way you laugh when your going to get caught by the teacher and get in trouble. > _we did not expect any of that_. > we went about our biz. he played pool , i gabbed and listened to the band. > one gal noted for being anti-social literally asked me not to leave her. > we gabbed about nothing important, but she was in my face,as if i wouldnt understand her unless i read her lips. very weird. > > the whole time we were there, we got lots of stares. > confused "why do you look familiar " stares. > > i dont know why, but people in very close proximity seemed confused after a while. i keep seeing this “dont i know you?” thing. “where have i seen you before?” > guess you have to experience it. > > after about 2 hours,we go to another familiar place and add 3 more sprays. > > ok, more laughing like our face muscles just want to do that whether something is funny or not. this isnt typical,we phero-up all the time. this should be old hat. > > people were definatetly closer than need be. > > one couple chose to remain within inches of me,with plenty of space to sit. we watched them while they gabbed,nonstop,and slowly inched towards my cloud,until they were both talking directly behind my head. > i was going to ask if i was in their way, but it was obvious they werent aware they were migrating. > > most of my experience was self-reaction. > the space,nomatter how big the place was, seemed to expand and contract according to focus. > i felt antsy, like i wanted to move but not gracefully. > easily distracted. driving was fun 🙄 > > the bartenders were VERY friendly (i know them,not a tip-manuever) > and not in a talkitive way, more like when you wear instant shine and people just want to be around you, this stuff made people smile ALOT. > im social to begin with, but this stuff i noticed made people social with me. > as a reactor myself, i didnt feel like initiating conversation. > others initiated with me. > and then wanted to remain in “my space”. > > at high doses, i was antsy and uncomfortable . > headachey. > dry-mouth. > > 30mcg would be the perfect party additive, i think. > 60mcg was burn-out. > > i _definately_ want to play with it in the 30mcg range. > it was not only pleasant, _but desirable_. > im looking forward to it. > in the 60mcg range, i literally needed to “come down” and regain my focus. > > id like to add that all night long i had 1 beer, one unsweetened icetea, and one carbonated mineral water. > normally i drink, but tonight the desire to get buzzed was completely substituted by the pheromones worn. 🙂 good stuff miss lor. Your results seem very consistent with mine actually. I know what you mean about feeling antsy and wanting to move ‘but not gracefully’…what you say about lacking focus is right on key for me. At higher doses I’m fired up and all over the place, which is good to some extent, but can be excessive. Worst part is I didn’t really notice it until I looked at my night in retrospect. Women probably could pull high doses of this stuff better than men could. It definitely warranted a bit of A314 to sort of ‘anchor’ the effects a bit…something to slow it down and give it a little more self-awareness. But that may be more of a male insight. People wanting to be in your personal space seems to be the primary benefit to others. It creates a strong social presence…enhanced of social attention and magnetism. My WIP clubbing mix thrives on this type of social positioning. With the addition of [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/), even the people who hang around me notice the increased (sexual) attention that I’ve been getting. Good stuff edit: oh yeah and 25mcg (2 sprays of MX157) seems like a good point for me. I’m running out of MX157…time to restock on this stuff! ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2007, 3:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/4 "2007-03-24T15:27:09Z")
wow sigma, im glad to hear some confirmation, i was nervous because i didnt get the excessive chatty-personal thing, so it does in fact need anchoring. for women,too :o i see this as something that needs to be added to everything, but the high dose thing is not for me 😃 i felt like searching for some grateful dead to talk me down some 😛 oh and there is still some residual laughter. 😕 _very_ charasmatic stuff i think. i would love to check your cloud out with the addition of the [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/). sounds so _rockstar_. not like glamour/80’s rockstar, more like eddie vedder / trent reznor rockstar. damn we need to bottle that 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![LaurieNY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bbce88/32.png) [@LaurieNY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LaurieNY)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 4:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/5 "2007-03-25T04:42:31Z")
I noticed a definite BO undertone to this stuff, too. I’m not roadtesting it again without a cover scent. People were a bit chatty at work, but our department secretary had just returned from a two-week trip and she and I are close, so that long conversation probably would have happened anyway? Needs more testing. ---
**Author:** ![Tommy\_Fever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Tommy\_Fever](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tommy_Fever)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 6:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/6 "2007-03-25T18:09:12Z")
it gave me a headache about an hour after dousing. i wanted to talk with lor more than i was, but i kept focusing in on everything in the place and it was like i forgot how to talk. left me more confused than usual.i must admit it was fun driving behind lor. i noticed my own bo was stronger when i woke up. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 6:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/7 "2007-03-25T18:16:12Z")
heres what i realized the more i thought about it- the comfortable level had to be beyone 30mcg, becasue together we were 60+ mcgs. then when we got ballsey enough to go to 60+ mcgs, we were really inhaling 120+ mcgs because the experiment caused constant communication about effects, which didnt leave alot of airring. we were a cloud to be wreckoned with 😛 so, in retrospect, a perfect dose might be closer to between 30 and 60 mcg . i read where some got away with the 120mcgs… that blows me away. i was singing " truckin’ " and "sugar magnolia " just to keep on track. obviously i wasnt on track if tommy fever had issues following me in the car.🙄 im a goober. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 6:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/8 "2007-03-25T18:30:08Z")
Lor, thanks for the review of P74! How would you compare it to the effects of EST (which is a bonding and empathy [pheromone](https://a314.com/) as well)? Tacitus mentioned P74 is somewhere between EST and Anol. How would you characterise it? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/9 "2007-03-25T18:37:10Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Lor, thanks for the review of P74! How would you compare it to the effects of EST (which is a bonding and empathy pheromone as well)? > > Tacitus mentioned P74 is somewhere between EST and Alpha Androstenol. How would you characterise it? i have never tried EST on its own ☹ [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/), because i used it alone, was pretty raw. it was sharp in that there is no doubt i was affected; nebulous in the way that it caused many different reactions, and i cant honestly say it was just like anything i have tried. it is something extremely upbeat in sweet doses. so,alphanol in that respect; but alphanol is dreamy and buzzy… this was a caffeinated version of that. i personally didnt get an empathy vibe. i cant stress how people seemed to behave as if they knew me but couldnt place me. maybe a nonconnected colder empathy vibe? ---
**Author:** ![LaurieNY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bbce88/32.png) [@LaurieNY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LaurieNY)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 8:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/10 "2007-03-25T20:12:35Z")
So paired with IH or TAH, it may become a connected empathy vibe? Maybe? Hmm. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/11 "2007-03-25T20:28:08Z")
> [@LaurieNY](#): > > So paired with Instant Honesty or TAH, it may become a connected empathy vibe? Maybe? Hmm. 😕 i know someone will answer that perfectly, i think your on with the IH , TAH for me is complimentative, but i havent seen empathy. definately some here may have.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 9:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/12 "2007-03-25T21:09:32Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > it is something extremely upbeat in sweet doses. > so,alphanol in that respect; > but alphanol is dreamy and buzzy… this was a caffeinated version of that. > i personally didnt get an empathy vibe. > **i cant stress how people seemed to behave as if they knew me but couldnt place me. maybe a nonconnected colder empathy vibe**? That is so freaky! You know I get that a lot too when I wear MX101 (!!) From what I know I don’t think it contains [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/). But those nights have definitely been the ones to remember. I have a hunch that a certain ratio of Alpha Androstenol to beta-Androstenol (with added TAF for focusing on the wearer) may cause that effect. Maybe P74 behaves like that. I have to try it, since I love that effect. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 9:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/13 "2007-03-25T21:16:50Z")
nbully79 i just started a thread on TAF, its got me freaked !!! in this way : [http://www.smilieshq.com/smilies/love0019.gif](http://www.smilieshq.com/smilies/love0019.gif) and i have to say i agree with your alpha-beta TAF mix being [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) ish, except for me P74 was giddier, like pot, where the nols are buzzier,like booze. damn, i sound like an addict ☹ \*\*\*\*\* i have heard _fabulous_ things about MX101 BTW, wouldnt surprise me if there wasnt a little sumtin-sumtin in it like P74,lol. ---
**Author:** ![LaurieNY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bbce88/32.png) [@LaurieNY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LaurieNY)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 9:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/14 "2007-03-25T21:50:29Z")
> [@](#): > > [TAH](https://pheromonelabs.com/) for me is complimentative, but i havent seen empathy. I think Jasmin has. I remember her posting about people wanting to do everything for her when she went out in public…particularly one guy who worked in a hardware store who chased her down the street when he found the type of _tape_ she’d been looking for. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2007, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-is-not-what-i-expected/2704/15 "2007-03-25T21:52:31Z")
> [@LaurieNY](#): > > I think Jasmin has. I remember her posting about people wanting to do everything for her when she went out in public…particularly one guy who worked in a hardware store who chased her down the street when he found the type of _tape_ she’d been looking for. 🙂 yep, that sounds like jasmin! 😃