# P74 + P75 is awesome **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 2, 2012, 8:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195 "2012-11-02T08:26:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2012, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/21 "2012-11-04T09:56:29Z")
I posted in another thread my test with [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) at 5 mcg in TOGO as a sampler. The store has 30 ml of 5 mcg for $35.95 . The 5 mcg with two sprays seemed a good sweet spot. Really, it’s fun to try many of these. I’ve yet to try to IG and TUTH TOGO. Really, I found the 10 mcg of P75 plus two sprays each of IO and IH pretty awesome. Adding a little IS can sweeten the mix. It helps to find the sweet spot with IS standalone first. 4 sprays of IS will get me giddy, giggly stupid. What worked well with the IS P75 IO mix is that women were talkative, with depth, and men shut up and steered clear of me, like I’m kryptonite. Not aggressive. They just let this dog alone. Meanwhile, the women seemed fascinated and forthcoming. ---
**Author:** ![tommarty920](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tommarty920/32/1273_2.png) [@tommarty920](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tommarty920)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/22 "2012-11-04T16:06:13Z")
> [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > @ tommarty920 you could dilute it down, but my advice would be to save yourself some hassle and just buy a 30ml at 10-15 mcg. > > @ ballzan, yes the self effects with this mix are awesome, p74 alone can be pretty beta at anything above 20mcg for me but the addition of p75 gives me cast iron confidence when cold approaching and keeps the p74 from being too friendly. Thanks for the advice Ghost! I guess that might be best, and than would just save the 2.5mcg for when I just want to use [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) to steer a larger, more complex mix. ---
**Author:** ![CorLeonis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/corleonis/32/917_2.png) [@CorLeonis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CorLeonis)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 11:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/23 "2012-11-05T11:15:46Z")
I tested this combo in a club over the weekend and the results were very promising. I had some good hits especially on the dancefloor starting from some light flirting to in one case heavy grinding for a few minutes. However, the hits didn’t “stick” as I feel the vibe was a little too nice and shallow -the girls enjoyed the moment but the magnetism/depth from p75 didn’t come through. I suspect that for me personally 15 to 20 mcg p74 would be enough. I’m going to play around with the dosages a little and report my findings here. Great combo though - thanks Ghost! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 12:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/24 "2012-11-05T12:54:16Z")
> [@CorLeonis](#): > > I tested this combo in a club over the weekend and the results were very promising. I had some good hits especially on the dancefloor starting from some light flirting to in one case heavy grinding for a few minutes. However, the hits didn’t “stick” as I feel the vibe was a little too nice and shallow -the girls enjoyed the moment but the magnetism/depth from p75 didn’t come through. I suspect that for me personally 15 to 20 mcg p74 would be enough. I’m going to play around with the dosages a little and report my findings here. > Great combo though - thanks Ghost! 🙂 Glad to see you liked the combo, not to sure what you mean that the hits didnt stick, care to elaborate? ---
**Author:** ![CorLeonis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/corleonis/32/917_2.png) [@CorLeonis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CorLeonis)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/25 "2012-11-05T13:35:59Z")
Hey ghost, of course. In my personal experience p75 has a magnet-like effect in that when you get close to a girl and she responds to the signature there will be heavy kino involved and she will not let you go (literally cling to you - happens to me every time). This time there was attraction from the p75 but it felt to me like it was overshadowed by the friendly vibe of p74 and this deeper magnetic effect did not take place. I could see in their responses and body language that they viewed me as too nice which does not happen at all when I normally wear p75. I just believe that for me and my personal sweetspot a little less p74 (maybe 15-20 mcg) would make a killer combo in that it gives more presence to the p75. Have you tried different ratios? I think it’s a great mix especially when you add in p83 and tuth later. Thanks again for posting it…😃 ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/26 "2012-11-05T14:36:46Z")
> [@CorLeonis](#): > > Hey ghost, of course. > In my personal experience p75 has a magnet-like effect in that when you get close to a girl and she responds to the signature there will be heavy kino involved and she will not let you go (literally cling to you - happens to me every time). This time there was attraction from the p75 but it felt to me like it was overshadowed by the friendly vibe of p74 and this deeper magnetic effect did not take place. I could see in their responses and body language that they viewed me as too nice which does not happen at all when I normally wear p75. > I just believe that for me and my personal sweetspot a little less p74 (maybe 15-20 mcg) would make a killer combo in that it gives more presence to the p75. Have you tried different ratios? > I think it’s a great mix especially when you add in p83 and tuth later. Thanks again for posting it…😃 I get the same effect from P75, also seems to make you ‘The Cool Guy’. Was P75 solo and a girl at a party kept giving me hugs(second time meeting her, first time barley even talked) and in the car literally didn’t let go. What I mean by cool guy is when I was wearing it I wasn’t being nice to her at all but yet she came and found me to talk and literally said your a cool guy. I will test out the [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) at a lower dosage first maybe age is in play here? Also TheGhost and CorLeonis what do you think the time it lasts is? When I was wearing it solo I had put it on atleast 3-4 hours before the party and both girls that came with that I had only met for a few seconds before seemed to be attached to me for awhile, until they played beer pong and got out of range and it seemed to wear off but like I said above the one girl came back, more detailed in my journal though so I won’t post it all here. I would say at least 6 hours maybe longer. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/27 "2012-11-05T16:15:11Z")
> [@CorLeonis](#): > > I tested this combo in a club over the weekend and the results were very promising. I had some good hits especially on the dancefloor starting from some light flirting to in one case heavy grinding for a few minutes. However, the hits didn’t “stick” as I feel the vibe was a little too nice and shallow -the girls enjoyed the moment but the magnetism/depth from p75 didn’t come through. I suspect that for me personally 15 to 20 mcg p74 would be enough. I’m going to play around with the dosages a little and report my findings here. > Great combo though - thanks Ghost! 🙂 15-20 mcgs would be enough!? Well, how many mcgs did you wear in your combo, C? ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/28 "2012-11-05T16:18:38Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > 15-20 mcgs would be enough!? Well, how many mcgs did you wear in your combo, C? Just based on what he said there I assume he wore 30mcg as TheGhost did and was having trouble with the hits sticking so he wants to try dropping the P74 to 15-20mcg so that the [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) still does it’s thing. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 8:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/29 "2012-11-05T20:19:17Z")
I don’t go to bars and clubs much anymore.. how can I successfully use p74, p75 and p83, tuth with a woman outside of these venues? Any ideas? Say we’re talking about dating… At what point during dates would you switch to p83 tuth if for example you’re not going to bring the girl back to your place. Would you use the p83 and tuth at all ? Say you just want a night of kissing, followed by a night of kissing and feeling up her chest and butt, followed by some time at a hotel in the future. With bars and clubs its easy to just layer on the p83 and tuth and expect a reaction after a few venue changes but if you’re out to the movies, or dinner, or lunch when would you make the switch in mone signature? And when wouldn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/30 "2012-11-05T20:54:29Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I don’t go to bars and clubs much anymore.. how can I successfully use p74, p75 and p83, tuth with a woman outside of these venues? Any ideas? > > Say we’re talking about dating… At what point during dates would you switch to p83 tuth if for example you’re not going to bring the girl back to your place. Would you use the p83 and tuth at all ? Say you just want a night of kissing, followed by a night of kissing and feeling up her chest and butt, followed by some time at a hotel in the future. > > With bars and clubs its easy to just layer on the p83 and tuth and expect a reaction after a few venue changes but if you’re out to the movies, or dinner, or lunch when would you make the switch in mone signature? And when wouldn’t you? Well the thing about the P74 and [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) part of the mix is to help built the rapport and get her liking you, increasing the attraction, breaking initial kino barriers etc so she is ready when you hit her with the P83 and TUTH part of the mix. I see where you are coming from just wanting the kissing and feeling up which I’m sure you can get with this mix but i’m not sure on this. From what I understand P83 seems to make girls act on their inhibitions without much though or restraint, so you are taking and adding the super sexual TUTH then sex is kind of the expected outcome. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/31 "2012-11-06T00:04:02Z")
> [@ballzan](#): > > Well the thing about the P74 and P75 part of the mix is to help built the rapport and get her liking you, increasing the attraction, breaking initial kino barriers etc so she is ready when you hit her with the P83 and TUTH part of the mix. > > I see where you are coming from just wanting the kissing and feeling up which I’m sure you can get with this mix but i’m not sure on this. From what I understand P83 seems to make girls act on their inhibitions without much though or restraint, so you are taking and adding the super sexual TUTH then sex is kind of the expected outcome. Not all women will have sex just because they smell p83 and tuth.. C’mon! Unless you’re at a bar and luck out on a woman whose incredibly easy one will not score a ONS even with p83 and tuth on. Now my question was when during dating would you apply p83 and tuth. I assumed that if a woman smelled it they may want to kiss or give you more than that if they were really turned on but the dynamics of daygame are different. You’re having lunch, or an early dinner. I’m a busy guy I sleep early cause I wake early. I’m usually in bed by 10 pm and up at 4 am. So most of my dating activities will occur between 12 pm and 9 pm. that means lunch, dinner, or movies , etc My car is kinda like my crib.. Do you think putting on the p83 and tuth before going out to my car is a good idea? Car is one ideal place to get physical! ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2012, 4:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/32 "2012-11-06T04:43:03Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Not all women will have sex just because they smell p83 and tuth.. C’mon! Unless you’re at a bar and luck out on a woman whose incredibly easy one will not score a ONS even with p83 and tuth on. > > Now my question was when during dating would you apply p83 and tuth. I assumed that if a woman smelled it they may want to kiss or give you more than that if they were really turned on but the dynamics of daygame are different. You’re having lunch, or an early dinner. > > I’m a busy guy I sleep early cause I wake early. I’m usually in bed by 10 pm and up at 4 am. > > So most of my dating activities will occur between 12 pm and 9 pm. that means lunch, dinner, or movies , etc > > My car is kinda like my crib.. Do you think putting on the p83 and tuth before going out to my car is a good idea? Car is one ideal place to get physical! Hey from my experiences, [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) + Tuth are nice for the first date (D2), doesn’t matter if you get a bounce back, those mones will help you to at least make out a bit 🙂 Now she won’t fall all over you and do it with you in the next dark corner, but if you use the usual daygaming dynamics and logistics you’ll get your well deserved sex 🙂 It’s completely OK if you use a touch Tuth just to make out. As long as you want sex and are going to get physical in any way, Tuth is heating up. But as I said chances are likely that she will want sex if she’s making out with you. If she isn’t making out with you, she’s either not attracted to you or her psyche is stopping her, whysoever. PS: in daygame they really have a lot reduced range in winter it seems. So if you use them and want her to react on them, you should either be in a warm room or very close to her. Another point where daygame is harder D: ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2012, 9:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/33 "2012-11-06T09:15:41Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Not all women will have sex just because they smell p83 and tuth.. C’mon! Unless you’re at a bar and luck out on a woman whose incredibly easy one will not score a ONS even with p83 and tuth on. > > Now my question was when during dating would you apply p83 and tuth. I assumed that if a woman smelled it they may want to kiss or give you more than that if they were really turned on but the dynamics of daygame are different. You’re having lunch, or an early dinner. > > I’m a busy guy I sleep early cause I wake early. I’m usually in bed by 10 pm and up at 4 am. > > So most of my dating activities will occur between 12 pm and 9 pm. that means lunch, dinner, or movies , etc > > My car is kinda like my crib.. Do you think putting on the p83 and tuth before going out to my car is a good idea? Car is one ideal place to get physical! Lol I didn’t mean it that way! It really just makes them act on what the feel more rather than staying so reserved and I must have missed where you said daygame before, I didn’t realize this. Pretty much what Mysterion said though it will help you at least get the make out part unless you can’t work the mix at all then you will be giving her mixed signals and just confuse the hell out of her. Best advice I have ever gotten is don’t rely on the mix assume it’s going to do nothing for you and it will hit harder because you are working harder. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2012, 10:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/34 "2012-11-06T10:22:16Z")
[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) will moderate a quite hefty dose of TUTH very effectively. I’ve used it that way with 2x TUTH in daytime often enough before and been very pleased with the results. P83 should help you further in getting physical here as well. Another thing with overt none and P74 - you may well find the effective dose range gets a lot wider in a very overt mix - The none will of course offset its too-friendly side very nicely! However, I’m not so convinced about P75 in this - The none in TUTH will probably still act to compound P75’s edgy/fidgety negative effects, in a way that the P74 cannot moderate so if you are using it, I would go for the smallest dose possible here. Even in a full-on club mix, I would tend to keep P75 in lowest proportion when the none becomes more overt but I’m coming to the conclusion that P75 seems to be at its most usable/versatile in mixes with little or no none. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2012, 10:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/35 "2012-11-06T10:37:53Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Even in a full-on club mix, I would tend to keep P75 in lowest proportion when the none becomes more overt but I’m coming to the conclusion that P75 seems to be at its most usable/versatile in mixes with little or no none. I added two sprays of double strength AMMO to 10 mcg of [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/). This should have been the same NONE as 2 sprays of TUTH regular TOGO, Yes? It neither helped nor harmed the P75. The latter seems to like heavy socials. They have a strong synergistic effect. Socials steer the P75, P75 steers the socials. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2012, 11:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/36 "2012-11-06T11:43:00Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I added two sprays of double strength AMMO to 10 mcg of P75. This should have been the same NONE as 2 sprays of TUTH regular TOGO, Yes? It neither helped nor harmed the P75. The latter seems to like heavy socials. They have a strong synergistic effect. Socials steer the P75, P75 steers the socials. I made this same mistake before and Mobo had to correct me. Both Ammo and TUTH contain the same amount of NONE 2.5mcg. Difference being TUTH has added mones in it to steer it in a more sexual direction. As far as what he is saying about P75 I have to agree, I always use 2.5mgs of it in my mixes. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 12:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/37 "2012-11-14T12:14:12Z")
> [@ballzan](#): > > I made this same mistake before and Mobo had to correct me. Both Ammo and TUTH contain the same amount of NONE 2.5mcg. Difference being TUTH has added mones in it to steer it in a more sexual direction. As far as what he is saying about P75 I have to agree, I always use 2.5mgs of it in my mixes. My p74 has arrived today. This weekend I’ll be heading out to socialize with friends and will try p74 p75.. I’m hesitant to try p74 anything over 20 mcg as I’m naturally more beta as it is and I don’t want it taking away from the power of p75. Now a couple of questions that haven’t been answered.. how does p74/p75 differ from other socials like IO, glace, SOE etc? Furthermore, what nationality of targets does it attract and what age? Does it also make guys befriend you? Is it a very beta signature? ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/38 "2012-11-14T15:43:35Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > My p74 has arrived today. This weekend I’ll be heading out to socialize with friends and will try p74 p75.. I’m hesitant to try p74 anything over 20 mcg as I’m naturally more beta as it is and I don’t want it taking away from the power of p75. > > Now a couple of questions that haven’t been answered.. how does p74/p75 differ from other socials like IO, glace, SOE etc? Furthermore, what nationality of targets does it attract and what age? Does it also make guys befriend you? Is it a very beta signature? Just got mine ordered yesterday so can’t wait to get it. From what I have been reading the mix of P74 and [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) is more for rapport building and making people feel comfortable around you. I also read that P74 helps with approach anxiety etc, that it kinda just makes the fear melt away which was stated in another thread. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 11:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/39 "2012-11-14T23:41:08Z")
With my newly arrived p74 I got a lot of bonding last night, and my approach anxiety was less. Also I got a lot more smiles from strangers. One thing I noticed is that I tried it at only 10 mcg 1 spray and in mix: IS, AMMO, p75, p74 (And I also had SOE on 2 swipes). personally I think I cooked the soup too much. Too many mones in there. I noticed a lot of hits from blondes. I attribute this to IS AMMO. Anyone try IS AMMO [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) P74? What were your results? This is idenitcal to the mix outlined in this thread but subbing p74 for IO.😮 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p75-is-awesome/57195/40 "2012-12-01T16:17:46Z")
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