# P74 + P83 + TAC + TUTH Hits or Not? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 7, 2012, 10:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p83-tac-tuth-hits-or-not/54488 "2012-02-07T22:02:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 10:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p83-tac-tuth-hits-or-not/54488/1 "2012-02-07T22:02:39Z")
4 X TAC 5mcg 1 X TUTH 2 X [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) 5mcg 2 X P74 10mcg **Self Effects:** Sometimes nervous, but sometimes almost militant, like I can feel the testosterone run through me. I feel extremely masculine, and sometimes laugh uncontrollably at something that is kind of funny, but also can be extremely serious when something is hilarious. **Effects on Others:** -I was sitting next to a girl that I’m friendly with (who has a boyfriend) in a study room. She complained of heat flashes and kept leaving the room. -Went to a restaurant on campus. One of the workers (22 years old), who’s practically a sister to me, says “It’s REALLY hot in here.” -I see my target girl, and she comes to talk to me because I ‘look lonely’ (everyone left in the study room, I was there alone). We talk Superbowl, and she says how she’s going to be nice because her roommate is a Giants fan, but she (and I) is an Eagle fan. -Draw a LITTLE aggression from guys. Nothing too serious, but sometimes a sly remark, or someone says something trying to “one up” me. -If I’m meek when I talk, people will talk over me, if I raise my voice and speak with confidence, everyone listens intently and, more often than not, agrees with me. -After a meeting, my target looks like she was waiting for me afterwards (went upstairs, and ‘coincidentally’ goes downstairs to leave when I decide to leave). She and I discuss how we hate the Giants again, and she asks me what I’m doing, I tell her heading into town, and she asks me what for? I tell her work. Seems cool, but then after saying goodbye, she goes and asks another guy the same question (here I feel like I should have casually put my arm around her. Would have worked well with the P74. Next time). -My “work” that I do is I tutor this 18 year old girl in math. She seemed very tired, but also was staring at me with DIHL quite often. I don’t know if any of these are really hits. I think my mix needs tweaking. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 4:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p83-tac-tuth-hits-or-not/54488/2 "2012-02-08T04:00:31Z")
Yes - This has been a good sexy/social mix/intuitive attraction for me in clubs/wilder bars. I usually use a bit more TUTH because of my age and 30mcg P83 and 20-40mcg [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/). Not had much aggression - I reckon the TAC/P74 is an effective/friendly none moderator for the guys but it may not be enough for younger ones? A314 also goes rather well, 2-3 drops. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 2:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p83-tac-tuth-hits-or-not/54488/3 "2012-02-10T02:13:08Z")
Same mix, added 2 more sprays of [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/): A male friend of mine (kind of nerdy, a horny kid who loves to argue a lot. Probably a virgin) was getting quite irritated at me for stupid reasons (wanted me to get off Facebook because it’s ‘disgusting how people objectify themselves and judge other people based on their Facebooks’), and said that he felt “shitty.” I feel weird around him because his roommate (who is also a little nerdy, maybe a little effeminate, but a good looking guy and could probably get some girls if he tried a little harder) and he look up to me almost as a ‘stud.’ I hate to say it (to the nerdy one), but he likes to talk about girls, and I try to be supportive as a friend, but no way he’s landing a top notch girl acting the way he does (I’ve tried dropping subtle hints, but he just gets irritated and thinks I belittle him). I don’t know if this is just a personality thing, or if my pheros triggered it. Needless to say, I’m going to try EXTRA hard not to hang out with him alone (I can, however, tolerate his roommate when he is by himself). ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 3:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p83-tac-tuth-hits-or-not/54488/4 "2012-02-10T03:13:53Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > Same mix, added 2 more sprays of P83: > > A male friend of mine (kind of nerdy, a horny kid who loves to argue a lot. Probably a virgin) was getting quite irritated at me for stupid reasons (wanted me to get off Facebook because it’s ‘disgusting how people objectify themselves and judge other people based on their Facebooks’), and said that he felt “shitty.” > > I feel weird around him because his roommate (who is also a little nerdy, maybe a little effeminate, but a good looking guy and could probably get some girls if he tried a little harder) and he look up to me almost as a ‘stud.’ I hate to say it (to the nerdy one), but he likes to talk about girls, and I try to be supportive as a friend, but no way he’s landing a top notch girl acting the way he does (I’ve tried dropping subtle hints, but he just gets irritated and thinks I belittle him). > > I don’t know if this is just a personality thing, or if my pheros triggered it. Needless to say, I’m going to try EXTRA hard not to hang out with him alone (I can, however, tolerate his roommate when he is by himself). Sometimes p83 can irritate people, Iv had massive arguments with past female friends that just seem to come from no where when Iv worn above 40mcg, in many ways it was even worse then a -none OD. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 2:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p83-tac-tuth-hits-or-not/54488/5 "2012-02-10T14:12:03Z")
> [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > Sometimes p83 can irritate people, Iv had massive arguments with past female friends that just seem to come from no where when Iv worn above 40mcg, in many ways it was even worse then a -none OD. Hmmmmm…that’s very interesting… So I’m assuming the TAC doesn’t act as a [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) buffer as well?!?😃 ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2012, 3:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p83-tac-tuth-hits-or-not/54488/6 "2012-02-11T03:45:38Z")
Well tac should soften the whole mix, but it does’nt hold very long IME. If your just hanging with the guys leave out the tuth it makes a great social mix without it. Also you could try using p75 instead of Tuth ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2012, 2:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p83-tac-tuth-hits-or-not/54488/7 "2012-02-13T02:00:06Z")
UPDATE: Was target’s birthday today. I decided to bite the bullet, texted her: Happy birthday boo!!! Get a response 2.5 hours later: Thank youuuu 🙂🙂 Later that day, I was with one of her guy friends, and he asked me, “So, did you text (girl) for her birthday?” I said ‘yeah’ and changed the subject. I texted him later and told her I called her ‘boo.’ He said ‘yeah, I did the same thing.’ I told him that I thought she was cute (made sure not to mention I like her. IME, letting the girl know you like her BEFORE you’re sleeping with her is no bueno). He replied: yeah she is. Hmmmmm…a little bit fishy to me, but I could be completely overanalyzing… ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2012, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p83-tac-tuth-hits-or-not/54488/8 "2012-02-22T23:54:30Z")
Don’t want to bring this thread up again, but the mone mix that I’ve been using hasn’t worked. It drove the girl away. When I was using AMMO + IH, she was interested, and it seems that she lost interest (even turned off) by this mix. Can’t get her attention, no more flirting, etc. HOWEVER, it would be erratic to say that I have been ‘friend-zoned,’ so I think there is a chance that I can still win back her affection (and, hopefully, more). It may also just be that I didn’t act on her subtle ‘hints’ (which may not have been hints at all). Any thoughts? What should I put on? ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2012, 1:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p83-tac-tuth-hits-or-not/54488/9 "2012-02-23T01:28:34Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > Don’t want to bring this thread up again, but the mone mix that I’ve been using hasn’t worked. It drove the girl away. When I was using AMMO + IH, she was interested, and it seems that she lost interest (even turned off) by this mix. Can’t get her attention, no more flirting, etc. > > HOWEVER, it would be erratic to say that I have been ‘friend-zoned,’ so I think there is a chance that I can still win back her affection (and, hopefully, more). It may also just be that I didn’t act on her subtle ‘hints’ (which may not have been hints at all). > > Any thoughts? What should I put on? If ammo + IH was working for you then maybe you should try that again. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 12:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p83-tac-tuth-hits-or-not/54488/10 "2012-02-24T00:22:08Z")
> [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > If ammo + IH was working for you then maybe you should try that again. I tried something else. 1 x Ammo 2 x P74 10mcg 1 x 83 5mcg And magic happened (or so I think). She started showing signs of interest again! I basically played the ‘nice guy who is trying not to pay attention’ to her, and she started blabbering about a story to me, and she was avoiding eye contact AT ALL costs. We were sitting in close quarters together (on one of those plastic storage containers) so she DEFINITELY got a whiff of the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). Maybe I was close to her, but I heard VERY hard breathing coming from her. A mutual friend of ours was sitting in a chair. He left, and I copped the chair. I then decided to act all gentleman-like, and asked her if she’d like it and I’d take the much less comfortable container. She refused it. She did, however, move towards me and point her body in my direction. I noticed this, so I reciprocated and pointed in hers. What she did then, call it animal instinct or she was legitimately tired (it was about 9:30PM which, on a weekday, feels like 1AM to college students), she laid down and opened up her legs (I looked over to her, and it looked like a girl was lying on my bed), and her legs were open in my direction. I laughed at myself when I saw her do the little hip raise at one point 😉 Then, I started saying funny things, and she had this little girl giggle. But then, I was saying some very unfunny things (asked my boy if he was going to watch the ‘Kobe Show’ tonight), and she laughed at that stuff too! All the while, I played uninterested, all though I took my leg and banged it against her leg playfully when she was lying down (did not look over to see her reaction though). As we were leaving, I stayed behind for a minute or two, and then when I left the room, I saw her on the stairs WAITING FOR ME! I continued to crack jokes, but was talking to my boy more than her (didn’t pay her much attention at all). As the 3 of us departed, she paused for a second as if expecting me to say something to her, then left. Escalating and closing is my weakness. I’m quite good at getting the girl interested. I’ve been checking out some [menshealth.com](http://menshealth.com) stuff for escalation, but I don’t know how the girl would take flirting. She seems very goody-goody, and if I say something a little ‘too hot’ for her taste, I think I might just lose her. My friends said I should just text her and ask her what she’s up to tomorrow night, but I always feel like she’s going to not be available (the other day I texted her asking her how her presentation went, she replied ‘it hasn’t started yet–but I’ll let you know.’ An hour later I texted her back with a simple ‘aight.’ She never responded (her presentation was well under an hour long). Just mixed signals. The worst kind to get. I don’t know how to be obvious w/o being too obvious, if that makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![MclarenMercedesF1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mclarenmercedesf1/32/2073_2.png) [@MclarenMercedesF1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MclarenMercedesF1)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 12:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p83-tac-tuth-hits-or-not/54488/11 "2012-02-24T00:41:54Z")
brother you sound just like me when I was an undergrad lol. Keep up the updates, im really interested to see what happens! Keep it up. On a side note, just take a chance and be more forward and flirty. If she seems uninterested then stop. If she plays along, play ball! You never know until you try. Trust me Ive been there, you never want to look back and wonder what if… lifes too short ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 10:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p83-tac-tuth-hits-or-not/54488/12 "2012-02-27T10:28:41Z")
So I think I finally found my HOT SPOT mix: 1 x [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) 2 x P74 10mcg 1 x P83 Works BEAUTIFULLY! Yesterday, I was with my target and a mutual guy friend all day. To make what potentially could have been a very LONG post much shorter, I got ear-to-ear smiles from her, little girl laughs, and saw the dorky, nerdy side of her that I’ve never seen before. I caught myself staring in her eyes very often as well. I hugged her from behind, put my arm around her, complimented her, made fun of her, EVERYTHING. I also asked her if she wanted me to make a mixtape for her (she heard a song I liked and told me she loved it). I told her we should hit up a bar sometime, and she said, “I’m so down.” I’m giddy and enamored by her right now. I’ll keep you guys updated!