# P74 paired W/ Instant Honesty, WHY!?!?! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 4, 2011, 6:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144 "2011-03-04T18:23:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![GorMas2020](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gormas2020/32/197_2.png) [@GorMas2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorMas2020)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 6:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/1 "2011-03-04T18:23:03Z")
After **a use** of [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) alone at 25mcgs I was wondering what would be the point of using both P74 and IH at the same time??? I found the effects of P74 to be VERY similar to IH and was curious to peoples thoughts on why they do or would combine the two??? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 6:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/2 "2011-03-04T18:38:39Z")
I have used P74 & IH together, along with MX301 and it did seem to enhance the bonding/attraction side of things. OTOH, it was 3 sprays 10mcg P74 in [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/), along with 2 sprays 2x IH & 2 sprays 301, distributed round neck/forearms but I can check notes later if you want. ---
**Author:** ![tye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@tye](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tye)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/3 "2011-03-04T18:57:08Z")
i love these two together and wear the combo often, sometimes with a dab of my base coat a314. great bounding effect, buddy buddy effect, and instant boyfriend effect both with people i know and strangers. at times i’ve noticed a pied piper effect. people will sit down and talk to you out of blue. i get male and female bounding but esp. the younger girls love it. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/4 "2011-03-04T19:06:58Z")
Yes - I’ve used [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) with A314 (normal) as well and found similar. I’ve laid it aside FTM in favour of P114 recently because it seems to encourage a happier chatty response but I may pick iy up again soon. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/5 "2011-03-05T16:33:31Z")
I find them completely different. However, when I used them together I had incredible results. There was a post with geniusbabe in my journal that I wrote about. She got completely befuddled and acted like a little girl. Aww. [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) has an uplifting self effect and IH has a sensitivity self effect pour moi. There seems to be joy bottled up in P74 and empathy bottled up in IH, which is why I find IH a bit overwhelming at times (i’m already a sensitive and honest guy) ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 8:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/6 "2011-03-05T20:49:06Z")
Well, today I put on: 3 drops A314 standard - 1 to each wrist plus 1 split between both sides of neck. 3 sprays P74, 10mcg in [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/). 1 spray to each forearm and one to the back of my neck And went to see the police! I’m afraid I’d just had a night of threatening/constant phonecalls off Smart Girl’s pisshead ex-husband and his pisshead thug mate (who also fancies Smarty something rotten). Culminating in a series of texts with very explicit threats to come to my city and “punch me out” etc We both get these outbursts occasionally & the ex is already up on charges for his last threatening outburst. Anyway, I got to the station and spoke to the desk sergeant, briefly outlining the situation. Now normally, dealing with the police here is an experience about as pleasant as having teeth pulled - very slowly! However, this time the sergeant could not have been more on the ball, polite and professional. He immediately detailed a young constable to take my details and within minutes, I was ushered into an interview room (small and warm) for a full statement. Last couple of occasions have seen me/us sit waiting for anything up to two hours before they bothered to deal with us. So we then spent the next hour or so going through the calls, texts, numbers involved and updating the situation in a fine, light friendly and professional way. The respect/friendly/bonding combination seemed to work very well. Helped along no end by the thug sending me several threats whilst the interview was in progress. The upshot of all this was that no further investigation was required and as they had been stupid enough to give us enough info to work out exactly where they were, the local officers were called ans sent to arrest them. So they will be charged, held for the rest of the weekend and up in court on Monday - Result! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GorMas2020](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gormas2020/32/197_2.png) [@GorMas2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorMas2020)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/7 "2011-03-06T22:56:36Z")
Could it be that steering molecules lead IH to be more empathetic and that lets say different steering molecules make it more like IO??? I have used [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) in combos with P79 and AMMO and liked the effects that P74 created, but thats without IH in the picture. I agree with all your posts and wanted a little more feedback on actual pairings of IH and P74 together. I see them sort of being too similar, but then again you can get a different vibe by combining a314 and IG. Alone once I thought hey AM I wearing IH!?!?!?!🙄 Looks like I have a couple journals to read 😃 I wanted more feedback on what the differences others thought it created in conjunction not as much as what they do separately if you catch my drift 😃 thanks for the input 🙂 I know, I know test it myself and report on it. I just got a bunch of stuff I’m testing first and only have a togo of P74 at the moment and would rather test it solo. This was more or less a thought I had that due to time constraints of having a GF now I would take the easy route 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/8 "2011-03-07T00:28:36Z")
> [@](#): > > P74 has an uplifting self effect and IH has a sensitivity self effect pour moi. > There seems to be joy bottled up in P74 and empathy bottled up in IH, which is why I find IH a bit overwhelming at times (i’m already a sensitive and honest guy) I agree with Empath here. [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) is definitely bottled joy and the self effects are just outstanding. I find I benefit greatly from IH as I might not be the most sensitive or empathetic person in the world. > [@](#): > > Could it be that steering molecules lead IH to be more empathetic and that lets say different steering molecules make it more like IO?? In this case I think its the main molecule that makes the two different and not the steering molecules. I find beta-nol on its own to be pretty similiar to IH. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/9 "2011-03-07T22:12:02Z")
Personally I love p74 and Instant Honesty together. It’s one of my all time favorite mixes. The mix I had released here, MX327, was close to being nothing but p74 and Instant Honesty. They bring out so many great qualities when paired together; fun, intimacy, charisma, bonding, playfulness. It’s like [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) but more wild. Try them together, you won’t regret. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 2:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/10 "2011-03-08T14:32:09Z")
GorMas, Steve’s ICM 1.0 mix also uses [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and Beta Androstenol, which is the bulk of IH. That mix has tremendous results. IH and and P74 seem to have similar effects, however after personal testing, I can say that they do not affect targets the same way. The desire for empathy and the ability to spill your guts with IH is not the same as the huge increase in trust factor with p74. P74 is a lot more bonding than IH. IH helps with bonding, but I believe it’s through a social means. I don’t believe any socialization is needed with p74. It builds trust on it’s own. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 9:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/11 "2011-03-10T09:26:04Z")
I wore 50mcgs of p74 and 4 sprays of IH on my wrists yesterdy and I was happy and giggling all night along with 2 spray of IG and 2 drops of A314. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 11:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/12 "2011-03-10T11:08:47Z")
> [@GorMas2020](#): > > After **a use** of P74 alone at 25mcgs I was wondering what would be the point of using both P74 and IH at the same time??? > > I found the effects of P74 to be VERY similar to IH and was curious to peoples thoughts on why they do or would combine the two??? I know sometimes it can be tough to distinguish between two emotions because they are so similar. The more empathic a person is though the more the ability to pull out those different little nuances of a feeling its not easy however to put those feeling into words LOL [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) has been reported to be more bonding as well as happy uplifting etc etc. IH creates deeper connection. Bonding and connecting may seem like the same when it comes to using the words to describe feelings but they are not. Connecting is establishing rapport and trust. Something like IH helps establish a deeper rapport and opens communication. Your in sync with the person. On the same wave length. Bonding is what holds that rapport and synchronicity together and gives it a enduring connection. This is more what I feel P74 does. It helps connect but it also brings about a deeper more emotional relationship. It go’s a bit beyond feeling on the same wave length its like being one with the wave. For me IH and P74 compliment each other very well and fill in the gaps of emotion the other may be lacking. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![little](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@little](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/little)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 2:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/13 "2011-03-10T14:24:40Z")
LOL how could I have missed this post. Used my P74 today with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), NOT knowing what P74 does. For some reason, I thought P74 is an enhancer haha, like it would enhance the effect of whatever mones you are using OMG silly me… Thanks everyone, I love this post… ---
**Author:** ![GorMas2020](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gormas2020/32/197_2.png) [@GorMas2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorMas2020)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144/14 "2011-03-14T16:44:34Z")
So I am currently wearing [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/)(37.5mcgs) w/ IH4x (1 spray) and 2 sprays of A314 1.23A… Not bad… my son is going bonkers and running around which is unlike him with A314 and IH alone. P74 definitely adds some UMPH to IH. Basically what I’m saying after a couple more tests that P74 is happier which to me could in effect change the connection or social route of IH to an instant “no work needed” bond same wave type route. Pairing them together and everyone is right they each fill in the others blanks so to speak. A good and useful combo. Thanks for ALL the input 😃 I have used an AMMO P74 and P79 combo a lot recently and have to go check, but maybe why it works is that AMMO has what IH has or at least enough of the same stuff??? I’m excited to get my P74(10mcgs) and AMMO Heavy in ff22 to match my P79(5mcgs) so I can wear it regularly and maybe will try adding some 1x IH that I have in NEROLI to see what happens…OK off topic random blurb OVER 😛