# P74 vs A1 ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 17, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397 "2011-03-17T21:49:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bisso30](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bisso30](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bisso30)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/1 "2011-03-17T21:49:21Z")
Hi I’ve reading through a lot of posts (overwhelming to say the least) but can’t find a precise comparison from users between those two products. I understand the P74 is a putative so it’s not officially a [pheromone](https://a314.com/), compared to A1. Both seem to have the ability to convey “comfort”, but what makes them different? Has anyone tried both and could give a concise comparison? T Much appreciated. By the way, I’m planning on getting IH, would buying either one of the above be redundant? ---
**Author:** ![Korths](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/korths/32/718_2.png) [@Korths](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Korths)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/2 "2011-03-17T22:17:52Z")
> [@Putatives: where do I start for the clubs, and which for white women vs asian women?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-where-do-i-start-for-the-clubs-and-which-for-white-women-vs-asian-women/49156/2): > > Putatives are NOT consumer products. > If you wanna delve into them, go in with an open mind > [@Putatives: where do I start for the clubs, and which for white women vs asian women?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-where-do-i-start-for-the-clubs-and-which-for-white-women-vs-asian-women/49156/3): > > Thats your job to tell us LOL Putatives are molecules suspected of acting like pheromones. You test them and then report whatever your results are with them. Be sure to read \>\> > > [An Introduction to Mones; Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Length of](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43012) > > [How to Test and Report On Products UPDATED 12/01](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-test-and-report-on-products-updated-12-01/6297) > > You dont have to use this format just try to give as much info as possible to help them gain a better understanding of what the product is doing. > > Tisha But still, some fast search available info/“comparison”: > [@P74 paired W/ Instant Honesty, WHY!?!?!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-paired-w-instant-honesty-why/49144): > > After a use of [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) alone at 25mcgs I was wondering what would be the point of using both P74 and IH at the same time??? I found the effects of P74 to be VERY similar to IH and was curious to peoples thoughts on why they do or would combine the two??? ---
**Author:** ![bisso30](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bisso30](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bisso30)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 11:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/3 "2011-03-17T23:04:41Z")
There’s so much info about _everything_ on this site it almost becomes confusing. Thanks for the links btw. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/4 "2011-03-17T23:10:12Z")
[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) has been around, and is recommended often. Do idon’t think anyone will mind telling you about it. There are some similarities between a1 and p74. P74 works well with men and works with women. A1 may create som male friendliness at certain levels, but absolutely turns women into mush around you. They are not the same. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 11:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/5 "2011-03-17T23:59:38Z")
A1 has also been reported to make some men depressed. In many reported instances women become so much more receptive around you, but the men who is wearing it is less inclined to talk to those same women. In effect it creates a double edged sword. What good is it if the woman are more receptive, but you can’t bring yourself to talk with them 🙂. However as has been repeated a gazillion times the only way you’ll know is take a risk and see how it works out for you. Its like asking someone how beer will effect you. How are they supposed to know? We can only tell you our personal experiences with products, but to really experience it you’ll have to experience it. Not to mention you’re also asking what two completely different molecules have in common. Its like how would beer or wine effect me. When you find out, report back to us and let us know how it worked out 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/6 "2011-03-18T16:08:36Z")
Yeh A1 is not a great product to wear around men - Or even to wear on yourself depending… I never much liked the self-effects of wearing A1 (I would start comfort seeking). [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) is a friendly molecule - This makes it great with other men but can be a double-edged sword with women. Building rapport (developing comfort) is essential for seduction, but seduction also requires building attraction. If you go to hard to either side you can blow up the seduction . Too much attraction, sans comfort = overly sexual = high probability of creeping her out or activating the anti-slut defense. Too much comfort, sans attraction can lead to being “friend zoned”. P74 is a comfort/rapport building molecule and as such you should use it in conjunction with a None like molecule during seduction. I wouldn’t suggest combining P74 & A1 for seduction unless you have a very strong sexual presence and have difficulty developing sufficient rapport to use it. I WOULDNT use A1 if my intent was to be “the man” at a party as A1 will likely lower your energy level and that of guys around you. ---
**Author:** ![bisso30](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bisso30](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bisso30)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/7 "2011-03-18T16:47:37Z")
Thanks fellas, this forum never dissapoints ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/8 "2011-03-18T18:26:43Z")
I’ve yet to try [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) but I can speak for A1. I’d say out of all the pheros I’ve tried A1 is the most _consistent_ however it’s also one of the _trickiest_ pheros to work with. The effects do vary slightly but they usually include the following: - increased affection from females - an invisible “shield” that protects you from bitch/hissy fits - Crush like affects (needs time to settle in) - Mellow/depressed feeling depending on dosage. Low doses of A1 (less than 25mcgs) is relatively tame, and doesn’t really bother the user or other men much unless they slap it on directly underneath their nose or on the front of their neck. If you want to play it safe P74 will probably suffice in your case until you feel the need to experiment with A1. ---
**Author:** ![bisso30](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bisso30](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bisso30)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 11:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/9 "2011-03-18T23:36:23Z")
Thank you everyone… Well, I decided to hold off on the A74 and A1 and just focus on the IH and test it out. So, I’m about to order some more products, everything’s in the cart, but before I click on checkout I need an opinion: I’m gonna get IH 2X (30ml), TUTH 1X (30ml) and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). I’m hesitating between P83 (30ml) in 15 mcg or 20mcg…5 mcg diff of none is a biggie, which is why I’m asking this about the P83. Is there a difference between the 15 and 20, and what would you recommend? **this stuff is addictive** as hell ---
**Author:** ![Bolkie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bolkie/32/1056_2.png) [@Bolkie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bolkie)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/10 "2011-03-18T23:42:21Z")
> [@bisso30](#): > > Thank you everyone… > > Well, I decided to hold off on the A74 and A1 and just focus on the IH and test it out. > > So, I’m about to order some more products, everything’s in the cart, but before I click on checkout I need an opinion: > > I’m gonna get IH 2X (30ml), TUTH 1X (30ml) and P83. > > I’m hesitating between P83 (30ml) in 15 mcg or 20mcg…5 mcg diff of none is a biggie, which is why I’m asking this about the P83. Is there a difference between the 15 and 20, and what would you recommend? > > **this stuff is addictive** as hell Testing is a bitch. And it starts with choosing the right amount of product _for you_. So why not take 7.5mcg per spray? This way you can test out 15mcg and 22.5mcg. ---
**Author:** ![bisso30](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bisso30](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bisso30)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/11 "2011-03-19T00:00:36Z")
Well to be honest I’d like to limit the amount of sprays. If say my sweet spot range was 20-40, I’d have to spray it like 3 times, and that’d be too much scent wise with my base mix. ---
**Author:** ![Bolkie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bolkie/32/1056_2.png) [@Bolkie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bolkie)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/12 "2011-03-19T00:02:40Z")
> [@bisso30](#): > > Well to be honest I’d like to limit the amount of sprays. > > If say my sweet spot range was 20-40, I’d have to spray it like 3 times, and that’d be too much scent wise with my base mix. But you don’t know your sweet spot yet. And sweet spot testing should be done without other phero’s ( your base mix). ---
**Author:** ![bisso30](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bisso30](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bisso30)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/13 "2011-03-19T00:04:28Z")
I’ve found a nice thread about this: [P83 suggestions](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-suggestions/49253) ---
**Author:** ![bisso30](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bisso30](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bisso30)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/14 "2011-03-19T00:28:00Z")
Ok well I ordered the 20mcg 😃 Thanks for the help guys, can’t wait to try it out ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/15 "2011-03-19T01:43:48Z")
Well, as others have said, it’s better to do sweet spot testing first before just diving in with a putative. It’s also a good idea to go blind testing instead of reading up on reports but since that’s what pretty much everyone does, _shrugs_ Just out of curiosity, why p83? ---
**Author:** ![bisso30](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bisso30](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bisso30)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/16 "2011-03-19T02:57:02Z")
Blind testing is fun I’m sure, but I like to have an idea of what something does before I buy it. As you most likely know, there is _plenty_ of info on [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and I’ve read a lot of it. I found it is very consistent, so I don’t feel I’m going out on a limb with that one. Why P83, well first I find the “dishinbition” that P83 is reported to create to others extremely intriguing…I’m very excited to try it out with my other gear. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 6:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/17 "2011-03-19T06:18:52Z")
A1 and p74 are really different. [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) is more male friendier! ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/18 "2011-03-19T16:04:24Z")
> [@bisso30](#): > > Blind testing is fun I’m sure, but I like to have an idea of what something does before I buy it. Like everyone else said, Putatives are the unkown. That’s why they are putatives. If you want to know exactly what something does then stick to the commercial products. If you want a hint at a putative, then research it. But if you aren’t willing to just test it out for yourself, then putatives aren’t for you. ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/19 "2011-03-19T16:32:32Z")
> [@JosieW](#): > > Like everyone else said, Putatives are the unkown. That’s why they are putatives. If you want to know exactly what something does then stick to the commercial products. If you want a hint at a putative, then research it. But if you aren’t willing to just test it out for yourself, then putatives aren’t for you. That and researching what a putative does before testing it, just skewers perceptions. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397/20 "2011-03-19T17:08:51Z")
[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) was mentioned here on the board beeing the closest available alternative to Estratetreanol ! Pago [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-a1/49397.md?page=2)