# p74 vs. est. **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 27, 2008, 5:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157 "2008-05-27T05:26:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 5:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/1 "2008-05-27T05:26:00Z")
Tested p74 in place of est today. I regularly pair mx135 and est so I thought it best to test p74 this way too. Thanks to Bella for this tip! I wore 3 sprays mx135 + 6 sprays p74 12.5. I should mention I am estratetraenol biased, before and after todays testing. šŸ˜› What I found to be the most similar to est is that he was in a great mood all day and smiling every time we made eye contact. I liked the results. Though I would say it lacks the softness to the attention I receive wearing est if that makes sense. Est equals increased need from him to display his love for me and chivalrous behaviors. [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) to me, equals more of an easy going contentment. This was the first time Iā€™ve used p74, my impression is that this is a great putative to have. IMO it can be worn comfortably in public & with male friends, maybe even useful for your tg pre-closeness or intimacy. But..I am married and when Iā€™m wearing est it isnā€™t because I want to be my husbands buddy, Iā€™m wearing it either because he is cranky or I want that increase of love filled attention. I do have a few ideas of increasing the loviness (technical term L:o L) by pairing it with cops, betanol and tah. Iā€™d also like to see how it does under pressure and use it when he is grouchy. More testing to be done with this one. I do think it is worth looking in to if you like est. Anyone have ideas or combinations to bring out more est like responses? ---
**Author:** ![tmoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@tmoz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tmoz)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 5:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/2 "2008-05-27T05:52:29Z")
Iā€™ve made a custom EST mix to elicit the types of responses youā€™d get from others if it was a man wearing it. But unfortunately, the mix doesnā€™t work when a woman wears it. Iā€™m not familiar with the womenā€™s side of the products, and what types of reactions they create.. so I canā€™t even recommend what-products-in-what-ratios would maybe be a good substitute for women looking for an EST replacement. If all else fails, you could always just get pregnant and create your own natural EST. = P ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 6:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/3 "2008-05-27T06:01:36Z")
Ha tmoz thatā€™s ok. Iā€™ll keep working with p74 and the pheros Iā€™ve mentioned to see if I can ā€œgirlyā€ it up. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 7:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/4 "2008-05-27T07:49:06Z")
> [@inkling](#): > > _ **Tested p74 in place of est today** _. _ **I regularly pair mx135 and est so I thought it best to test p74 this way too. Thanks to Bella for this tip! I wore 3 sprays mx135 + 6 sprays p74 12.5.** _ I should mention I am estratetraenol biased, before and after todays testing. šŸ˜› > _**I do have a few ideas of increasing the loviness (technical term L:o L) by pairing it with cops, betanol and tah.**_ Iā€™d also like to see how it does under pressure and use it when he is grouchy. More testing to be done with this one. I do think it is worth looking in to if you like est. > Anyone have ideas or combinations to bring out more est like responses? I have P74 but have done limited testing and at a lower dose. But, then again, Iā€™m not trying to duplicate/come close to the effects of beloved EST. I wouldā€™ve suggested exactly the additional [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) ya mentioned, ma dear. šŸ˜‰ā€¦butcha beat me to it! šŸ™‚ I think thatā€™s a pretty close ticket..curious to see what others suggest. ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 9:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/5 "2008-05-27T21:02:53Z")
Thanks for the reps! We are limited when it comes to pheromones used to feminize a mix arenā€™t we? I have the same 3 bottles that I go to for this and est is one of them. (cops, tah, est) Are there any putatives exclusively for women? šŸ˜• I do have a stash of xcite wipes Iā€™m thinking of pairing with p74 & tah. Though that doesnā€™t help me much having no sure idea what pheromones are in the wipes. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 9:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/6 "2008-05-27T21:25:41Z")
> [@inkling](#): > > Thanks for the reps! > > We are limited when it comes to pheromones used to feminize a mix arenā€™t we? I have the same 3 bottles that I go to for this and est is one of them. (cops, tah, est) > > _ **Are there any putatives exclusively for women? šŸ˜•** _ > > I do have a stash of xcite wipes Iā€™m thinking of pairing with p74 & tah. Though that doesnā€™t help me much having no sure idea what pheromones are in the wipes. Frankly most of the putatives, Iā€™ve tried so far, have a distinctively masculine edgeā€¦thatā€™s why Iā€™ve got Wolf wearinā€™ 'em. Maybe Tisha can shed some light on the more feminine ones? I donā€™t have Xcite wipes, but from what Iā€™ve read, they contain -noneā€¦dun know how much though. And although Iā€™ve been able to wear -none, _sometimes_, in small quantitiesā€¦lately it hasnā€™t been workinā€™ so well for meā€¦the other night I put two _itty bitty_ drops of Turn Up The Heat on my wristsā€¦started feeling nauseousā€¦at first I thought I was just hungryā€¦but two seconds later I figured it outā€¦washed it offā€¦all better. šŸ™„ When _he_ wears mass quantities of it I have np. So, sorry, Iā€™m not much help here. Still finding my way as wellā€¦I have a rope tied to my wristā€¦jus so I dun getā€¦lostā€¦šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 10:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/7 "2008-05-27T22:27:40Z")
> [@inkling](#): > > Anyone have ideas or combinations to bring out more est like responses? Both [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) and TAA have amazing effects on men. I have seen bonding effects with men using just P93 which rivals Est. I think some women have reported that effect with P93 as well. P74+P93+TAA might be a worthy replacement to Est. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/8 "2008-05-27T22:32:32Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Frankly most of the putatives, Iā€™ve tried so far, have a distinctively masculine edgeā€¦thatā€™s why Iā€™ve got Wolf wearinā€™ 'em. Maybe Tisha can shed some light on the more feminine ones? > > I donā€™t have Xcite wipes, but from what Iā€™ve read, they contain -noneā€¦dun know how much though. And although Iā€™ve been able to wear -none, _sometimes_, in small quantitiesā€¦lately it hasnā€™t been workinā€™ so well for meā€¦the other night I put two _itty bitty_ drops of Turn Up The Heat on my wristsā€¦started feeling nauseousā€¦at first I thought I was just hungryā€¦but two seconds later I figured it outā€¦washed it offā€¦all better. šŸ™„ When _he_ wears mass quantities of it I have np. So, sorry, Iā€™m not much help here. Still finding my way as wellā€¦I have a rope tied to my wristā€¦jus so I dun getā€¦lostā€¦šŸ˜ƒ Bella, I am not sure where you read that xcite wipes have androstenoneā€¦I would think both menā€™s and womenā€™s version of xcite wipes would be loaded with **Androstenol.** Afterall, Dr. Dodd, the creator of xcite wipes, was also the first person to extensively study and publish the effects of synthetic androstenol. Have you or someone you know tried it before and noticed Androstenone like effects?šŸ˜• ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 2:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/9 "2008-05-28T02:13:03Z")
Xcite wipes are definitely androstenol heavy with no noticeable 'none effects that I have noticed. Though I do think they contain more than androstenol as I get a heck of a phero buzz from just one innocent smelling wipe. I bought a bunch last summer and have read LS most likely wonā€™t be getting them again so Iā€™m nursing along my supply. Thanks Nbully for your suggestions. Iā€™ll have to pick up p93 before I can try it out. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 2:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/10 "2008-05-28T02:59:19Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > _ **Bella, I am not sure where you read that xcite wipes have androstenoneā€¦I would think both menā€™s and womenā€™s version of xcite wipes would be loaded with Androstenol.** _ Afterall, Dr. Dodd, the creator of xcite wipes, was also the first person to extensively study and publish the effects of synthetic androstenol. > Have you or someone you know tried it before and noticed Androstenone like effects?šŸ˜• Sorry for the šŸ˜• nbully. Iā€™m not sureā€¦ but I _thought_ a post of Dollyā€™s, from sometime ago, said something about androstenone in the wipeā€¦but like I said Iā€™m not sure. I could have confused that myselfā€¦sorry.šŸ™„ > [@inkling](#): > > _ **Xcite wipes are definitely androstenol heavy with no noticeable 'none effects that I have noticed. Though I do think they contain more than androstenol as I get a heck of a phero buzz from just one innocent smelling wipe.** _ I bought a bunch last summer and have read LS most likely wonā€™t be getting them again so Iā€™m nursing along my supply. Like I said I never bought the wipes, when I had the opportunity, because I mistakenly thought they contained -none. šŸ™„ You guys would know. Ink, youā€™re also sensitive to it on yourself, right? > [@inkling](#): > > Thanks Nbully for your suggestions. _ **Iā€™ll have to pick up p93 before I can try it out.** _ I have that and everything else but the straight betanolā€¦will [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) do? Iā€™ll wait and test with you, Ink, if you like? Give me a heads up when ya get itā€¦ā€˜cause I _know_ youā€™re already on your way to the storeā€¦lol šŸ˜› What doses are we talkinā€™ 'bout? ---
**Author:** ![Kitten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kitten/32/1051_2.png) [@Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kitten)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 3:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/11 "2008-05-28T03:56:22Z")
Oh really? šŸ™„ P93, huh? Iā€™ll have to try that. Personally, I see [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and EST as being pretty different. But I also agree that both pheros do increase social acceptance and positivity. When Inkling says P74 is more laid backā€“totally agree there. Whereas EST is more hearts and flowers and luurve. Come to think of it, wondering how much EST is in MX135?..seems like maybe it has a good slathering of EST in there. ---
**Author:** ![Eslite119](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eslite119/32/176_2.png) [@Eslite119](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eslite119)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 4:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/12 "2008-05-28T04:00:14Z")
Interesting report. I learned something today. Reps! ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 4:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/13 "2008-05-28T04:06:39Z")
> [@Kitten](#): > > Oh really? šŸ™„ P93, huh? Iā€™ll have to try that. > > Personally, I see P74 and EST as being pretty different. But I also agree that both pheros do increase social acceptance and positivity. When Inkling says P74 is more laid backā€“totally agree there. Whereas EST is more hearts and flowers and luurve. > > Come to think of it, wondering how much EST is in MX135?..seems like maybe it has a good slathering of EST in there. I thought the same thing about mx135, but if I were to go by Jasmins post of no more est in the store post I would say none is in there. mx135 paired with est is just fantastic too. I do agree that p74 and est are different, the only similarity I noticed was that it put my hubs in a good mood, I didnā€™t get any lurve while wearing. Thats why I was asking about additives to girly it up, give it more of an est like response. [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) is probably a good est replacement for men, but not for women. ---
**Author:** ![Kitten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kitten/32/1051_2.png) [@Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kitten)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 4:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/14 "2008-05-28T04:35:22Z")
Looks like Iā€™m a little bit behind in my forum reading here. Just read the Jasmine EST thread. Iā€™ve never worn that much [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/), that I recall. I gotta try like 60-100 mcg this week sometime. Maybe the luurve will be more apparent at a higher concentrationā€¦Hmmmā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 4:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/15 "2008-05-28T04:36:51Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Sorry for the šŸ˜• nbully. Iā€™m not sureā€¦ but I _thought_ a post of Dollyā€™s, from sometime ago, said something about androstenone in the wipeā€¦but like I said Iā€™m not sure. I could have confused that myselfā€¦sorry.šŸ™„ > > Like I said I never bought the wipes, when I had the opportunity, because I mistakenly thought they contained -none. šŸ™„ You guys would know. Ink, youā€™re also sensitive to it on yourself, right? > > I have that and everything else but the straight betanolā€¦will Instant Honesty do? Iā€™ll wait and test with you, Ink, if you like? Give me a heads up when ya get itā€¦ā€˜cause I _know_ youā€™re already on your way to the storeā€¦lol šŸ˜› What doses are we talkinā€™ 'bout? Iā€™d have to get a beta Androstenol too, mine is 2.5 mcg purchased when I first got here. So yes instant honesty works for me, mine is 4x. Iā€™ll put an order in for p93 and possibly some other ā€œsmokinā€ putatives later this week. As far as mix amounts Iā€™m not sure and open to suggestions. I have no idea what the ideal putative amounts are, Iā€™m just now getting around to using them. Jasmin did suggest 50 to 60 mcg of p74 as a replacement for est. Thanks to everyone for taking interest in my quest for fake est. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 6:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/16 "2008-05-28T06:36:56Z")
> [@Kitten](#): > > I see P74 and EST as being pretty different. But I also agree that both pheros do increase social acceptance and positivity. When Inkling says P74 is more laid backā€“totally agree there. Whereas EST is more hearts and flowers and luurve. > [@inkling](#): > > I do agree that p74 and est are different, the only similarity I noticed was that it put my hubs in a good mood, I didnā€™t get any lurve while wearing. Thats why I was asking about additives to girly it up, give it more of an est like response. P74 is probably a good est replacement for men, but not for women. Well ladies, while Iā€™m sure you already know this, EST is produced by pregnant women and evolved to create a comforting, protective, nurturing and loving effect. And now that I know something about pheromones, I understand the reasons for why Iā€™ve acted around pregnant women going back as far as I can remember. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 4:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/17 "2008-05-28T16:18:01Z")
I think TAH will be a great addition as well, afterall it does make men want to take care of you, and according to many reports, it IS the sweet, teenage, love [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/). So, I will modify the mix and make it P74+P93+TAA+TAH. Anyone game to try it?šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/18 "2008-05-28T17:09:35Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > I think TAH will be a great addition as well, afterall it does make men want to take care of you, and according to many reports, it IS the sweet, teenage, love pheromone. > So, I will modify the mix and make it P74+P93+TAA+TAH. Anyone game to try it?šŸ˜› I just have to buy [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) and more TAA, and youā€™re on! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 8:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/19 "2008-05-28T20:32:01Z")
[P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) is out of stock at the moā€™. Nbully what amounts do you suggest for the putatives? Iā€™m starting to wonder if weā€™re planning to make a homemade mx135. hahaha ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 8:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157/20 "2008-05-28T20:49:55Z")
> [@inkling](#): > > P93 is out of stock at the moā€™. > > Nbully what amounts do you suggest for the putatives? > > Iā€™m starting to wonder if weā€™re planning to make a homemade mx135. hahaha I would say the amounts are pretty flexible for each component here. [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) effects were noticeable even at 12.5 mcg, but others have reported better effects at higher dosages. I would suggest starting with lower dosages for P93. You can go 50 mcg for others. We would have to add a lot more components to create MX135 I think.šŸ˜ƒ [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-vs-est/13157.md?page=2)