# P75 taa tac **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 24, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594 "2010-06-24T23:48:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/1 "2010-06-24T23:48:14Z")
This will be my thread for my reports on this mix. TEST 1 – Self Test PRODUCTS: P75 2.5 mcg TAA 20 mcg TAC 20 mcg I have been eyeing this mix since I first read about it in a post from Warren in November of 2009. ([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tac-vs-taa-including-p74-p124-effects/23457/24](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tac-vs-taa-including-p74-p124-effects/23457/24)) It has taken me this long to complete my list of other mixes to try out first LOL I am a huge fan of P75, I love the way it quiets my inner voice. I have ADD, so anything that stops my thoughts, especially negative ones is a plus! I know Warren knows his stuff, so when he recommends something, it carries weight in my mind. He recommends it as a base to work from to create mixes. This is Warrens quote about the mix: “The effects I get from TAA(20mcg)+TAC(20mcg)+P75(2.5mcg) are pretty amazing in their own right. It is a combination of social presence and relaxation and confidence all together forming a very positive state. I want to encourage others to try it. I suspect that it can become the base for a number of different mixes by adding one or two additional [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) depending on the situation.” SELF EFFECTS: Initially, I felt a head rush, not terribly strong, but noticeably present. After about 15 min I notice a tightening in my stomach. Similar to when I am VERY anxious about an impending consequence for my actions. I was going into a building to turn in some paperwork, so I attributed it to that. However it has stuck around since then. After 90 min it has lessened. I am somewhat stressed due to my Wife’s illness, so that could be the cause, intensified by the mix. I notice that I am able to speak more fluidly, in a rapid manner that is completely coherent. 🙂 I am still getting the P75 confidence vibe. I also noticed that my feet seemed lighter… like I was more agile. EFFECTS FROM OTHERS: The first woman I encountered while turning in my paperwork, was very helpful. Almost overly helpful. I ignored the anxious feeling in my stomach. We chatted and made some small talk. She helped me fill out another form I needed to fill out. She walked me through it even though it was self explanatory. 🙂 During the interaction, I did notice some clumsiness on my part… which I covered with some well placed jokes. I went on a social visit to see a friend of mine. There is an older gentleman there, that I have recently became friends with. He is very Alpha. He likes to assert control of the situation, and direct much of the conversation going around him. He is also very blunt when he speaks… sort of like a high user of P75 LOL. I am fairly certain he does not use pheros though. My point being this, I have noticed that when I wear P75 he will not talk to me. He will acknowledge me entering the room, but beyond that… nothing. He will sit there in silence. This phenomenon occurred again today. I realized that I have always just ignored him in return. This time I wanted to break the pattern. I engaged in some small talk with him and we had some good conversation going on. It was like he was waiting behind a gate, I just had to open it and he was off. My friend, on the other hand, had no obvious reactions to the pheros. He never has. Possibly due to a broken nose. I have given up on him. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 2:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/2 "2010-06-25T14:57:29Z")
Sorry to bump a thread about nothing so far… I wanted to follow up before I forget I do not think the mix caused the anxiety in my stomach. Oddly enough I am experiencing the same issue today without it. I think its due to stress… ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 5:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/3 "2010-06-25T17:08:51Z")
I hope things work out for you andrew, thanks for the reporting and look forward to hearing more and more of your research. I’m about to dive into the putatives and your research is helping me greatly. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/4 "2010-06-25T17:35:38Z")
Sounds like an interesting mix! I could definitely see the potential of this one. Sounds like a great social mix with status built in (gotta love P75). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 2:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/5 "2010-06-26T02:25:41Z")
Wow and it just so happens that I have all three of those ingredients lying around right now.😛 I’ll see if I can give this mix a test run and maybe see how A-1 or [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) adds to it. Thanks again Andrew.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/6 "2010-06-29T17:52:17Z")
TEST: 2 – Shopping PRODUCTS: [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) TAA TAC AMOUNT: same as before I was surprised at how well this mix works. Last time must have been a fluke! First I must say that I have never gotten any really positive responses to IS. Therefore I do not use it. I have used TAA, and in mixes I know it contributes to the overall effect. I think I know what it feels like now. After applying the mix, I felt like a superstar. Not in a bitchy/ass give me my way because I am a superstar, but a wow I am a superstar, therefore I AM. I felt great! I noticed that I drove faster than I normally would. In a more, lets say happy cocky manner. When I got to the store, everyone was looking at me. I walked with flair and enjoyed being noticed by everyone around me. 🙂 This mix was VERY uplifting, inspired a fun relaxed confidence that was SO EASY to be congruent with. EFFECTS ON OTHERS: I had so many people just plain look at me. It was just such a positive reaction from everyone. I had smiles and nods and eye contact from almost everyone I passed. The best hit came when I got hit on by a very sexy woman. 🙂 I had passed next to her and she made the eye contact, I smiled and she smiled back. I had my daughter with me, and she also had one. I kept walking to get some milk. After I put the milk into my cart I look up and this little 4 year old girl is standing in front of me looking up and smiling so innocently. I looked around because I thought she may be lost. Lo and behold there is the woman from an isle over. She smiles at me again and make an introduction. We make some small talk and I try to excuse myself. She says to hold on she wants to make a playdate for our daughters and pulls out her phone. I decline again give a big grin and walk off. I am married, but it felt good, and added to the confidence for the rest of the day. The only negative, was the length of time this mix lasted. It was not too long. 2 hours max. Granted it was VERY hot outside, and very humid as well. If I spray indoors, and stay indoors I may get a better response timeframe. I may need to make an additional mix of TAA/TAC as it is very a fleeting molecule. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/7 "2010-06-29T17:59:34Z")
[P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) must change the mojo, because TAA and TAC by themselves work cross purposes, and P75 by itself seems to bring out a lot of immature weirdness in people… maybe together they have a synergy that is unlike any of the components ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/8 "2010-06-29T18:32:39Z")
Thats right Tacitus. Warren had discovered this a ways back, and that is what made me want to try this mix. It really as a cheap and good base to creat mixes from. Warren was right on the money. The only problem I notice, like mentioned before is the TAA not lasting. That is resolved by bringing a togo of TAA with you. I think he mentions it in the post I posted in my first post… If you want to read about Warren’s exploits with TAA TAC and other things he tried with them > [@tacitus](#): > > P75 must change the mojo, because TAA and TAC by themselves work cross purposes, and P75 by itself seems to bring out a lot of immature weirdness in people… maybe together they have a synergy that is unlike any of the components ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/9 "2010-06-29T18:33:02Z")
TEST # 3 – Hanging out with friends PRODUCTS: [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) TAA TAC AMOUNTS: P75 2.5 TAA 20 TAC 20 Plus a top up later on Just a quick story: I really am digging this mix. It makes for one heck of a good time. Especially in a social context. Everyone around you is in a good cheerful mood, I have great confidence as well as I “feel” that I get better responses to my jokes 🙂 Not much to tell here, I was around people that I know at home. You know how when everyone is just in a perfect groove at 2 in the morning everyone has a comfortable buzz from drinking… You are sitting around talking and laughing and just being in the moment…No cares or worries on anyone’s mind, what a great time! That was us, but we were not drinking though. It was late afternoon/early evening. After about 3 hours I topped up with one spray. It really boosted the feeling. After a couple more hours and everyone had left this douche bag punk of a kid was blaring his stereo outside. I could here his bass inside my house clear as day. I look outside and its some guy I have never seen. I see other neighbors actually outside just gawking at this car. I sigh because I know everyone is too much of a pussy in my neighborhood to say/do anything. I walk outside to his car know on his window and say “Hey I am not a dickhead or anything, but I do not want to hear your shit in my house. Turn down, now, please.” He said “Oh sorry.” He not only turned it down he turned it off. He was a skinny white guy in his 20s waiting for my neighbors kid I later found out. I am by no means big, but I am not fat and I weigh 200 pounds. He sat there for 10 min with the radio off. LOL To me that would be too much P75 talking. I become almost too cocky and overconfident. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/10 "2010-06-29T19:17:14Z")
TAA has a real fugitivity problem… great stuff for 15 minutes then fades… incredible mood improver though… the birthday party mone if there ever was one… prob. if it was slurried with hard coconut oil, the edible kind they put in the widemouth bottle, you could put a little in your hair or the backs of your hands… ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/11 "2010-06-29T19:25:45Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > TAA has a real fugitivity problem… great stuff for 15 minutes then fades… incredible mood improver though… the birthday party mone if there ever was one… prob. if it was slurried with hard coconut oil, the edible kind they put in the widemouth bottle, you could put a little in your hair or the backs of your hands… Thanks, I will have to test this out and see how it responds! 😃 I was contemplating the idea of making a DPG oil version of the TAA, however I never read any great reviews of the product when AD had it for sale in the past. I never would have though of coconut oil LOL ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2010, 4:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/12 "2010-08-06T04:24:18Z")
P75 TAA TAC and now P80 TEST # ! Products: [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) P80 TAA TAC Amounts P75 - 2.5 mcg P80 - 15 mcg TAA - 20 mcg TAC - 20 mcg I finally got more TAA in last week. So I had some time this week to make up a new batch. I also diluted down some P78 and P80 as well as mixing up some BNOL and ANOL to my personal standards. Now its time to start testing putatives with the base mix. Today I am going to report on P80. P80 adds a real authoritarian vibe to this mix. Its self effects remind me of P75 in many ways, but it is completely different at the same time. P75 gives me a strong inner confidence to tackle things I did not think I could do, without the negative self talk going on to distract me. P80 does the same, but it takes a different path. Remember back in the late 80s or early 90s all of those hats, shirts and other junk that said “NO FEAR!” This is what P80 embodies. You do whatever needs to be done with no fear. Not even a thought of fear enters your mind. There is no self talk. Its do what needs to be done… now. Tonight I was helping a friend out. He needed to do some collecting on some unpaid debts that have not been paid in a few months. I have done collections before and know the laws, so I offered to help him out. I figured on maybe 20 accounts, but damn he was sitting on almost 45 accounts that were not paying! I dont understand how he makes money! Anyways, I figure this is the perfect opportunity to test out some self effects. So after I applied everything I waited about 10 mins or so. I was loving the feeling. Immediately after application I felt like a hunter, stalking some prey… an odd feeling. After about 3-4 min that passed. It settled down and I had a slight buzz going in my brain. Slightly disorienting actually. The disorientation went away after about 20 min. During the first 10 min of calls, i was not doing so well. I was not in my element and was finding it hard to focus. After the buzz passed I was an animal! These accounts had been called by my friend before and he had gotten all the sob stories in the world. I felt like I was wearing a bullshit deflector. It was pretty easy to get the people on the phone. It went like any other collections call. I open, ask for payment, pause and wait for the bullshit to come out in full effect. I was able to control every conversation. I used some empathy of course, but for the most part I cut right through the crap and actually got several payments. I had 3 pay every thing they owed. I got several large payments and lots of promises. I was on fire! When I spoke I was so assertive and matter-of-fact that my actions were not questioned. It was like the truth was what I spoke into existance. If I said get your check book out they did. If I spoke to a son or daughter and asked for a number to reach the customer at I was given the number. Without question. Never had collections gone so easy. I will say that the feeling lasted only a short time though. Maybe an hour and 45 mins then the feeling changed. I am wondering if it was the P80 or the TAA that was spent. Overall this mix gave more Alpha self effects than anything I have ever used. Although it lasted a short while, with future tests I can see if adding more TAA will keep the self effects going. Or I will have to play with making a heavier DPG based mix. If tweaked right this could possibly be used everyday, more testing will tell. As I have not used it around people, I am not sure how they will react. If they repond half as well in person as they did over the phone from just the sound of my voice… ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 4:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/13 "2010-08-09T16:24:46Z")
I have been messing around with TAK recently. I made a post in another thread explaining how when I used 15 mcgs of TAK before bed one evening, I was able to visualize pictures and movies in my mind. Something I have not been able to do with much success, even though I practice. My preferred method is Auditory Digital. My point being that TAK opened a door for me to look at the world at another angle. I tested TAK again while attempting to work on my SUV. I had a bad COP (coil on plug). My vehicle does not have a distributer. I also wanted to change my spark plugs while I was in there. A note here: I am also not mechanically inclined. I have decided that I can in fact do whatever I put my mind to, just when it comes to cars it will take me 5x as long as a mechanic. LOL. I put on 15 mcgs of TAK. I felt calm and smooth. I was working quickly and efficiently. I was actually suprising myself at how I was able to remove the many things I needed to move to get the the spark plugs. Well at first I was at least. I was outside and damn it was hot and so humid. After about 30 min I felt back to my normal mechanically malfuntiong self. I re sprayed and again I was on top of it again for another 30 min. Anyways I really like the effects from TAK so far. I decided to try some TAK with the [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) TAA TAC mix. 10 mcg. I had some phone calls to make today, After application, I felt very smooth and able to say what I wanted to say in an efficient manner. I was never at a loss for words. I felt what I was saying was strong and confident and that my tone sounded more upbeat and congruent with what I was saying. I am not sure if I need to adjust the ratios of every thing yet, I think I had a very positive mix with the TAK added. I also notice that the one person I was around was very upbeat and more talkative than normal. However I do not have a baseline of the mix without TAK, so I am not sure if that can be attributed to the TAK. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2010, 3:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/14 "2010-08-11T03:16:14Z")
> [@](#): > > I was able to visualize pictures and movies in my mind. Something I have not been able to do with much success, even though I practice. My preferred method is Auditory Digital. My point being that TAK opened a door for me to look at the world at another angle. Extremely interesting in that I get somewhat of the opposite effect. I tend to verbally narrate (quietly to myself) all the goings-on in my life while I’m on TAK. I kinda step outside of myself and go, “Now, Warren is interacting with his environment by…”. I think of TAK as a dissociative. What you say, Andrew, makes sense to me if you assume TAK allows you to step outside of your typical auditory digital existence (and “look at the world at another angle”). I’ve called TAK the STFU [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/). In the presence of a bitching woman TAK can be an excellent substitute for A-1 or IFM. I think TAK allowing you to work on your car fits the pattern. Mechanical aptitude is obviously not an auditory. You’ve probably already found this thread which is a good discussion of TAK: > [@molecule K=TAK](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/molecule-k-tak/13847/30): > > OTOH if you were being raped… In the classic psychoanalytic sense we think of hysterical dissociations. The old timers would argue whether a man could be hysterical because a man does not have a uterus. Hysterium is Latin for uterus. With the personality dissociated into enough different parts and the parts having amnesia for each others’ experiences you get a multiple personality disorder. Hypnotists generally use dissociation to speak of removing the consciousness from the feelings of t… And an amusing anecdote from my early experiments with TAK: > [@Pre-op Rapunzel](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-op-rapunzel/14594): > > First I want to point out that this is all Tisha’s fault. Encouraging me to experiment with new pheromones is like throwing gasoline on an out-of-control blaze. I mixed more new things together here than I probably should have, but I got some interesting results. It was my intention to experiment with TAH. I have learned what to expect from TAL, but I have never noticed anything from the small amounts of TAH I have used. From my 2.5mcg bottles I used three sprays of TAL and twice as much (six s… ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 12:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/15 "2010-08-12T00:05:42Z")
TAK theory WOW! Thanks Warren! Soon I would have been looking to see what results others were getting, and I am sure I would have came across the 1st thread you noted. I would have eventually gotten to the second one, when I searched for TAK and TAA. I was amazed by the first thread. I will not quote anything from it, if others want to know they can read it! 🙂 My reports and feelings seem to mirror what the gist is in the thread. Common terms used: CALM and SMOOTH there was also many other descriptions used that mirror my feelings for TAK. Before you posted, I had a conversation via email with someone about TAK. Here is an excerpt from me and what my thoughts were: > [@](#): > > Have you used TAK at all? I am using it and really like it. When using it so far, I have noticed that as a self effect I seem to be more efficient at everything I do. Even if I do not know exactly what I am doing, I do it with an assuredness that would not normally be present. I have 2 theories as to why. > > 1. It calms me down in a way that I do not yet understand. Not like it calms my anxiety. Just creates a peace and stable ultra productive mindset. > Or > 2. It removes barriers and limitations that are in place subconsciously. Not completely of course, but soft ones, like the fear of not doing well at something you are not used to doing. After reading the lengthy post mentioned, I think I have more clearly defined what I feel that it does. Now keep in mind, I do not have the wonderful psychological insights that you may have, so it may not be put in the best light! LOL (The thread gets deep!) A note that I would like to document: I am Auditory Digital. I believe that when I was young I was not this way, but due to my upbringing, I chose AD as my primary representational system to protect me from criticism and ridicule. Mainly from my step father. Although I have not looked in depth for much to support this theory, learning to listen to myself and pay attention to others, mainly because of pheromone use, has shown me this insight. I believe that TAK does indeed calm something down. As to what, I have no clue! I believe it reduces the barriers that your subconscious has set in place to protect you. Every one has their own defense mechanisms in place to protect themselves form critics or whatever they believe causes them pain. For me, my defense mechanism is using AD to interpret the world. I think that TAK helps lower/remove that barrier which is interpreted as a feeling of calmness. For me it is easier to notice, due to the fact that I have a ridiculous over-protecting defense mechanism. The smoothness that is mentioned would be explained again for the same reason, your unconscious has lessened control over your defense mechanisms, you have a lessened amount of anxiety or worry about what could _hurt_ your ego. Now I do not think that the mechanisms are completely lowered or removed. I think that there is still a strong control exerted, just more relaxed. Like TAK is a grease that slips in between the cogs of your conscious/subconscious and lets everything run a little bit smoother. I do not know the technical jargon to explain this more concisely. I think that if you look at what I said, and it is understandable, then you read the first of Warren’s links, then everything that is discussed will fit in to this hypothesis of mine, and will help explain the “hits” that were reported. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 11:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/16 "2010-08-13T23:41:27Z")
ICM OIL with P80 added Test: 1 Product: ICM oil version F20 scented/w plant musks mixed with P80 Amount: 3 sprays of the mix I have a personal version of Steve’s ICM mix that I made a while back. I used the DPG with the plant Musks and added FF20 scent from the tester that AD had sent me. The mix would be: TAA 28 mcg ANOL 35 mcg [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) 35 mcg P93 21 mcg P83 62.5 mcg This is 7x the values I would use if it were to make an alcohol version. I was a little put off at first, because the FF20 was over powering. Now months later, the scent is there, but it is very weak. It lasts and lasts though. Anyways, I was needing to dilute some P80 down to a more useable mcg. I saw the bottle I have storing the ICM mix (with the white top). I thought what the hell, its a good Friday social mix and I like to play around. So I used the ICM mix as my dilutant. I diluted 30 mcg of P80 down to 10 mcg. I let it sit for 2 weeks. So this morning I applied the mix from a togo. 3 sprays. 2 to the neck and 1 to my hair. WOW. 1st reaction.. this is STRONG! If Snoopyace reads this, he knows what I am talking about. The P83 in here is mind blowing! I also changed from BNOL to ANOL. The mix already mind altering, now possesses an alpha quality that was not there before. For me without the P80, it was VERY social. It was a party in a bottle. Everyone around me had good vibes and good times. In this mix, the P80 was softened a bit. I can certainly feel it. In my previous tests there was a strong authoritative, almost controlling vibe with P80. People would just respond to my voice and commands like I was their father and using that “you’d better watch what your next few words to me are, or I will institute some harsh discipline”. While it was cool, it does not make friends. 🙂 There was a complete change in the dynamics when added to the mix. I do not know if the DPG is making it less harsh, or if it is because I am using less mcg than I was before, or if it is jut how the mix responds overall. The results were similar to being the host of a social event. Everyone and everything revolved around me. I felt very alpha and outgoing. Others were drawn to me to talk. Not the mindless chatter that ANOL can bring, but good time funny stories were being shared by most that I came into contact with. Everyone’s body language was more animated. I had women initiate physical contact with me several times today. Lots of shoulder grabbing, hand touching, even high fiving from women that normally are nothing like that. Good Friday mix. Like I said very alpha, almost like I was a movie star, even when I was by myself I felt in control and strong. There was the P75 vibe going on as well, I had less self doubt. It is exactly the vibe I would like to impart in the P75 TAA TAC mix. Wanting it and having it are 2 different things though. LOL ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 3:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/17 "2010-08-14T03:38:51Z")
Your descriptions of P80 are very interesting, somewhat like descriptions of the older versions of A314 when people complained that it kept others at a distance. How would you compare P80 (and P80 with varying amounts of ICM oil) with A314? How do you think P80 compares with androstenone? > [@](#): > > There was the P75 vibe going on as well… You lost me here. Did you add [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) to the ICM or did the ICM - P80 combo produce a P75-like effect? ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/18 "2010-08-15T16:41:44Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > Your descriptions of P80 are very interesting, somewhat like descriptions of the older versions of A314 when people complained that it kept others at a distance. How would you compare P80 (and P80 with varying amounts of ICM oil) with A314? > > How do you think P80 compares with androstenone? > > You lost me here. Did you add P75 to the ICM or did the ICM - P80 combo produce a P75-like effect? I have another report with the P80, [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) TAA TAC mix. This one was in a social setting, I had the same self effects as listed last time, however I did notice a response of advoidance from others. People who would normally stop and chat would move away and avoid me somewhat. When I approached them, they listened to me and replied, but all interactions were hurried and not congruent with their body language. I either was OD on the P80 or using way to much to remain social. As far as comparing P80 to A314, at the dose I have been using so far, P80 is nothing like A314. The vibe is over the top authoritarian. A314 causes others to orbit around me. They do not want to interupt me unless what they feel they need to say is important and worth my time. When I speak heads turn and they listen and respond accordingly. So far with the P80, I do not notice myself being the hub in which others orbit. I am more of a rock in the bay that needs to be advoided at all costs, or else troubles may happen. Now forget everything I said in the previous paragraph. When I have the P80 added to the ICM oil, P80 is unbelievable. I tested the mix again yesterday. At a funeral no less. I saw how it really caused a celebration atmosphere before so I thought it could help others celebrate a death instead of mourn it. The man was a minsister. He married me and my wife, he also was my wife’s Uncle. So we were family. The funeral was early in the afternoon, there was a lunch at the church before the funeral. Me and my wife headed out so I applied 3 more sprays of the ICM P80 oil mix. It was about an hour an a half away, so I tested it on my wife on the way. Not a whole lot of difference in our interactions, I wanted to talk about our future plans once she gets better. We got some stuff settled that we had not been able to resolve for a while. Possible result there. Now where we were going, I had never been before. I felt very alpha, and while I have GPS on my phone I chose not to use it. I normally NEED GPS. I cannot navigate anywhere I havent been without missing a turn or something silly. Nhot today. Even when my wife mentioned that she thought we were going the wrong way, I told her not to worry I am going the right way. I did go the right way. I felt it was the way to go and so I followed my feelings without doubt and made our destination without any missed turns. We did get there 10 min late though. We would have been later but I drove at a good speed to make up the time we lost. Blame it on my wife though. We walked in just as the prayer was being said before lunch was served. After the prayer ended, me and my wife entered the room. Everyone turned and looked at us. That was the theme of the day. As I had not met 95% of the people there, I kept having women walk up to me and introduce themselves. I was like a celebrity. If I walked past a group of people, all heads would turn towards me. Everytime. While eating I would look up and women and men both were staring at me. Uncanny almost. While I was eating many women came to my table to inquire about myself. Several knew others at my table and used that as an opening to meet me. I was much more social and outgoing than normal. The whole day went this way. Magical. I was not intending to be the center of attention. It turned out very well for everyone. A good celebration for a wonderful man that left to go with Jesus. P80 added so much to this mix. Before it was a good mix. I had ok social results. Adding the P80 made it magical. It gives me a huge boost in confidence. It easily surpasses th confidence boost A314 gives me. In this format it feels very natural. I am going to start testing lower amounts of P80. Maybe with this one less is more. Like with P75. What I mean about the P75 vibe is that there is the lack of negative self talk. As well as an increase in attention from others. I do not feel that P80 is None like. At least not at this point. None makes me angry. P80 does not. I have never used high doses of none before. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 1:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-taa-tac/39594/19 "2010-08-16T13:37:29Z")
I wanted to see if I can recreate the ICM oil with the P80, but in an alcohol base. When doing so I checked out the recipe. It has: ANOL TAA TAF P74 P83 [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) P126 Now it has the P80. I mixed it up, and will give it a go today at the store.