# P79 and P83: A comparison in effects and usage **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 7, 2008, 2:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-and-p83-a-comparison-in-effects-and-usage/20983 "2008-10-07T14:50:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![snakeeyesontheparadise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snakeeyesontheparadise/32/791_2.png) [@snakeeyesontheparadise](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snakeeyesontheparadise)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 2:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-and-p83-a-comparison-in-effects-and-usage/20983/1 "2008-10-07T14:50:45Z")
This is straight out of my journal reports, but these are the conclusions I’ve come to about the 2 different putatives and how they actually do differ greatly in their effects and how they can best be utilised in [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) mixes: So, I can compare the effects of [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) to [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), as I have used both separately in the same mix, and I can tell that whereas [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) is not sexual, but more of a “bonding” [putative](https://a314.com/) along the terms of binding everything in a pheromone mix very tightly together, almost giving the “rounding-out” effect to your daily mix, the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) has a very openly de-inhibitive effect, where females I came into contact with would feel less inhibited and be more willing to invade personal space and share a lot on an emotional level with me about their lives, sort of like [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), but with a “supercharger” and WAY more sexual. 2 other things I’ve learnt: -P83 cannot be used as an attractant on it’s own or in any mix, but it can help to “close the gaps” in every sense of the way. physically, socially, emotionally, and dare I say it, sexaully. I could still see the need for an [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)-based “attractant” to be thrown into any mix, with or without [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). The [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) effect is totally a different sexual effect than [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/), whereas [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)-based mixes work as attractants, [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) would help targets to _ **act** _ on the attraction more freely, as it would help to ‘de-inhibit’ the target to be more free with their actions, in other words the target will be more carefree while under the influence of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). -P79 would work well as an additive to any large amount of pheromone mix. In other words if you have a large combination of products on, (say for example you may be wearing 5 different types of products at the one time), [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) would come in handy to _ **bond** _ and _ **enhance** _ the mix together, or as i like to describe it _ **rounding out** _ the mix very well, so that it can serve it’s purpose the way it is meant to, helping all the products worn to work more efectively together as a unit. I see the benefits of [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) mostly in this manner, rather than wearing it on it’s own just for sensory effects, like i’ve done in the past. Both [putatives](https://a314.com/) serve an important purpose in any mix, or on their own, and they serve their purpose extremely effectively as far as I’m concerned. ---
**Author:** ![in\_uk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/in_uk/32/2130_2.png) [@in\_uk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/in_uk)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-and-p83-a-comparison-in-effects-and-usage/20983/2 "2008-10-07T15:00:50Z")
i haven’t tried either but do intend to, informative post, reps to ya. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 5:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-and-p83-a-comparison-in-effects-and-usage/20983/3 "2008-10-07T17:53:59Z")
I agree for the most part, but I feel that while p83 isn’t a direct replacement for -none, if you support it with the right mix, I feel it is more effective than -none. As for p79, I can see how you might see it as bringing everything together. I feel that it’s more a function of how p79 amplifies ‘everything’, impulses, feelings – the messages that are sent. As such, only a little p79 is really required in larger mixes. But as for p79’s essential nature, I don’t considering it bonding or rounding out anything, but rather see it as magnifying select things, if you’re magnifying a balanced mix to begin with, it’ll only magnify (the effect of) that balance. (if that makes sense.) ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 9:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-and-p83-a-comparison-in-effects-and-usage/20983/4 "2008-10-07T21:24:28Z")
Any self-effects from [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)? (Have you noticed an inclination to ignore your own inhibitions?) ---
**Author:** ![perronec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/perronec/32/1280_2.png) [@perronec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/perronec)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 11:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-and-p83-a-comparison-in-effects-and-usage/20983/5 "2008-10-07T23:04:10Z")
so mostly i’ve been using p 83 in Turn Up The Heat situations, and i’ve gotten the “i don’t know what came over me” kind of reactions. but let me ask you this. if i were to add p83 to mx222(happy, playful, giggly) and went to sit next to the japanese girl in my class again who already has a boyfriend. would she shy away from the feelings of being uninhibited due to her boyfriend, or would she have potentially more fun, and then possibly express something she was already feeling. and after that shy away for feeling the way that she felt. here is the thread: [MX222 open testing: 3 sprays at an outdoor cafe, at-ease waitress, no lulls in talk](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx222/20664) the most recent post i made is the more important one for this post. ---
**Author:** ![jimmerwi42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jimmerwi42/32/991_2.png) [@jimmerwi42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimmerwi42)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-and-p83-a-comparison-in-effects-and-usage/20983/6 "2008-10-08T00:40:24Z")
I would concur, as I reported myself, P83 seemed to intensify and enhance [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)… ---
**Author:** ![lukester19](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lukester19/32/1953_2.png) [@lukester19](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukester19)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 3:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-and-p83-a-comparison-in-effects-and-usage/20983/7 "2008-10-08T03:02:38Z")
> [@jimmerwi42](#): > > I would concur, as I reported myself, P83 seemed to intensify and enhance Ammo… Will p79 do the same thing with ammo. Was planning to use it in combo. ---
**Author:** ![snakeeyesontheparadise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snakeeyesontheparadise/32/791_2.png) [@snakeeyesontheparadise](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snakeeyesontheparadise)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 3:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-and-p83-a-comparison-in-effects-and-usage/20983/8 "2008-10-08T03:47:40Z")
A quick lunchtime log-in to reply to posts… Wrlprchnx: Yes, I did encounter self effects with P83 on me, most notability I felt more of an urge to touch or “kino” women I was chatting with, even at one stage I felt the urge to grab a woman (aged 45-50 I’d say) on the backside after she had initiated a conversation with me - and being a guy in his early-mid 30’s and not in the least “turned-on” by women at least 10 years older than me, I thought it was very strange behaviour on my behalf and VERY out of my character. So in that sense, yes, the self effects from P83 were noticeable, as I felt less restrained and more of a need to act on my urges in a physical way, but only in a physical way, nothing else. perronec: I cannot really answer that question as i guess everyone has different reactions to different mixtures and [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/), but from my experience on P83 it should make people more willing and wanting to _ **act** _ on their feelings and impulses, rather than get hestiant and shy away. lukester19: I’ve already tried the P79 and ammo combo and it’s a big thumbs up for me. I felt it enhanced the ammo and made things more sexual for the women I was in contact with when I was wearing them together. Probably enhanced the sensory actions of the female targets and made them more willing to do what they felt, while also enhancing the ammo and making sure it was hitting all the right receptors. Strangely in a very similar way to P83, so I could see how an ammo + P83 combo would work very well too. ---
**Author:** ![GuySajer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/guysajer/32/446_2.png) [@GuySajer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GuySajer)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-and-p83-a-comparison-in-effects-and-usage/20983/9 "2008-10-09T00:21:51Z")
I haven’t had a chance to test my P83 as extensively as I’d want yet, but I agree with the OP that I don’t notice anything about it as a standalone product. All I know is that at 1-2 sprays (10-20 Mcg), it makes Ammo a alot more effective. I don’t really use it with anything else, but I find that those two complement each other really well. They really should make an Ammo test pack with some P83 in it, I bet that would be killer. ---
**Author:** ![jimmerwi42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jimmerwi42/32/991_2.png) [@jimmerwi42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jimmerwi42)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-and-p83-a-comparison-in-effects-and-usage/20983/10 "2008-10-09T02:29:27Z")
another thing I noticed it seemed to kick in (enhancing the ammo) around +20Ug Jim ---
**Author:** ![lilplaya3587](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e99b99/32.png) [@lilplaya3587](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lilplaya3587)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-and-p83-a-comparison-in-effects-and-usage/20983/11 "2008-10-09T02:32:44Z")
I just ordered another vial of Ammo and one of P83. I plan on using them both together. I usually do good with 2 sprays of Ammo. That said, i have two questions. 1. Has anyone ever tried that combo? if yes, what can be expected 2. How much P83 should i use with 2 sprays of Ammo?