# P80 + P97 + high none - what at surprise! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 15, 2011, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897 "2011-04-15T21:52:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/1 "2011-04-15T21:52:15Z")
**It took me a long time to decide to post my findings with and about P80 !** first take a look what others found out … > [@P107, P80 - Taking a break and I need some advice...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p107-p80-taking-a-break-and-i-need-some-advice/24837): > > I got some kind of backlash from the P107 I tested on the 6th and 7th of December. I had sleeplessness from the P107, true, but that wasn’t the bad thing. The backlash was that for days after I was in the dumps, emotionally, depressed and negative. I haven’t had anything like this happen for many years. So, at this point I’m equating it with the P107 wearing off. It was bad enough that I suspended testing P107. But there’s something else. For the week since suspending the P107 test I’ve h… > [@Meo-Est, P80, P83, P93, P95, P96, P97, P102, P103](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/meo-est-p80-p83-p93-p95-p96-p97-p102-p103/33347): > > Product name,scent and strength Meo-Est 50mcg (grapefruit) P80 50mcg (grapefruit) [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) 25mcg (grapefruit) P93 37.5mcg (grapefruit) P95 25mcg (grapefruit) P96 15mcg (grapefruit) P97 12.5mcg (grapefruit) P102 12.5mcg (grapefruit) P103 12.5mcg (grapefruit) CB I Hate Perfume Gathering Apples and Cedarwood Tea (oil base, applied both OVER the pheros on my neck and also applied each to the tops of my hands) Application dosage and locations Meo-Est 3sprays (1 spray to each side of the neck b… > [@The Great Putative Thread (include input)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-great-putative-thread-include-input/35359): > > I have not been reporting as much as I should have lately. Not for a lack of phero use, but more of a busy with school and work thing. P80. Attention from others, positive attitude that inspires cohesion amongst friends. I have a lot more people smiling at me, waving to me even if they barely know me. All around the university I am getting this, and conversations are a lot easier to go into and maintain. I really like combining it with p75. P75. Still one of my favorite putatives. I have hung … > [@before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476): > > There is so much fragmented information about the [putative pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/putative-pheromones/) properties. We should make notes here about all we have learned to date regarding the behaviors of these molecules. That´s what i found to describe the effects i had the best … all this posts i found reading after the first night out with P80 with amazing effects and wondering what the hell happened Really i hesitated to post what i found out and what others maybe have overseen ! We´ve had too many hypes about some certain molecules ! A few ones have discovered what it´s good for too but let´s take a look what happened … Well .. we all know that P80 is known as the “Military [Pheromone](https://a314.com/)” or “Spartan Like” . It´s true but only when paired with the right molecules - Rone, P102, P75, None, Anone, Especially with Rone you´re perceived as really pushy and bossy and not in a charming way - you´re not making friends using this combo ! Let´s continue … I´ve been ordering P80 because i expected it to be a really dominant molecule and i´ve been surprised ! I tryed it out at the afternoon and found it to be really motivating and it made me agressive like hell the first time i applied it … The motivational effects are still present but the agressiveness has shifted into a let´s do it know … i´m a man on a mission and nothing can stop me .. hunter feeling … **THE FIRST NIGHT** Put 2ml of the 30ml - 20mcg P80 in Grape ( smells great in Grape ) into an small glass atomizer and took it with me into a club - which is usually overcrowded and a perfect tesing ground for mones ! Can´t say exactly what i had applied but like usually it was a none heavy mix .. and i had the bottle of P80 in my pocket … At the same time i was playing around with P97 and i found it out to be a nice social modifier and an excellent none buffer .. – since this time i always carry a togo of P97 with me … at one point at the evening i felt the urge to try out some P97 to modify my mix and applied 25mcg on my neck over the high none mix ( i think it was TheEdge + P83 + P86 + MeoEst + P79 + TAC ) will go into details and ratios later .. I noticed people more chatty and the none overdose had diminished .. — little later i decided to put on some P80 and see what it does at the club … put on 2 sprays onto my forearms ( 40mcg ) at the restroom and went back to the crowd … So i expected to be treated like with a heavy dose of A314 or like with and overdose None .. everything really commanding or dominant .. BUT .. i was really surprised .. girls became flirtatious like hell … really animated around me … started to dance … hits after hits … women staring at me from 5m over … the waitress touching me and grabbing my arm … all hits you can imagine … A WONDER HAPPENED ! ---- i felt like i parted the Red Sea — and this is a very energizing combo .. a PUA´s dream .. but … somewhat 30 min later i felt that the effects diminised .. went back to the restroom and applied another 60mcg … it was late and i wanted to see what i´d get out the mix … the effects were back and they were as good as before … After that night .. you can imagine i played around a lot with this combo / mix to figure out what made the effects .. first i thought it was only the P80 what drove the girls crazy / never had issues with any single guy wearing the mix .. **I added this and that and found out that Rone kills the mix … ! In fact it´s Rone in combination with P80 that makes it the military mone … stay away from this combo !** I won´t tell you all the success stories but this mix hits hard .. fast … every time … creates really visible IOI´s pushes you forward to act … CRAZY _— P80 seems to intensify emotions like P79 — P97 is some kind of catalyst and very close related to P96 — P96 can be used instead of P97 but the effects will become less visible — P83 and P86 are in the baseline of nearly every mix i use … a part of the P80 mix — MeoEst works like MSG and adds some oommmppp to the mix — TAA works good in the mix and makes a nice youthful vibe … — IS kills the mix — MX297 and MX390 combines great with the mix — can´t say yet what P93 does but i seems to work at low doses in the mix — TAL wrecks the mix — too many nols will be contraproductive … P97 plays the roll of the nols — TAF does not work in this combo … disturbes the effects — A1 does not do that much .. calming for women and pulls into a diff direction_ **HOW TO MAKE IT WORKING** Usually i start to a club - bar - night applying the mones in my car .. - 20mcg P83 - 60mcg P86 - 10mcg P79 - 100mcg MeoEst - 2 Sprays Impi or TheEdge ( as a none base ) TUTH and IJ not yet tested - 50mcg P97 or 40mcg P96 i enter a bar or club and search for a nice place close to some hotties and my wing takes care of our place/drinks and i go to the restroom … put on 40mcg P80 and go back to my wing … the girls close to us turn their heads .. girls standing close start to dance and to adjust their clothes … girls bump into me .. girls are waiting to be opened … BUT … you need to have really good game and be congruent with this mix ! Like i told you already the effects will diminish and after 1 hour … reapplication of P80 — 2 sprays where was none application … next round 😉 P80 seems to buffer none as well and it seems to make other mones diffuse faster … later you need to reapplicate none and P97 … i always take a gel pack Edge with me and a togo P97 and a togo P80 after several applications you will have an nice amount of mones on you and usually need 7 sprays P80 an evening 1 gel Pack TheEdge 4 to 5 sprays P97 High doses of P80 will pull in more dark skinned girls Lower doses of P80 work better on blonde ones P80 together with P97/P96 enhances you ability to scent everything and you will smell a fart from across the room ! _It´s better not to move around in the room and stay at your place so that the mix can do it´s magic … if you move around the club you won´t benefit too much from the combo … strange but this effect is very pronounced … search your place at the bar and flirt with the girls …_ and action ! \*\* this combo seems to intensifiy the effects of alcohol as well … 😃 P.S .. dont shower me with Pm´s if you don´t have P80/P97/P96/P86 you need them to make the mix working ! And yes you need such high doses of P80 ! And no it won´t last longer than 60 min ! Pago ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/2 "2011-04-15T22:28:19Z")
I wonder if you could get a longer life out of your P80 by dissolving some monolaurin in it and bumping up the dose a little. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/3 "2011-04-17T16:39:17Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > I wonder if you could get a longer life out of your P80 by dissolving some monolaurin in it and bumping up the dose a little. I tryed it out to enlengthen the life of P80 ( the high attraction effect lasts for somewhat an hour but there´s an afterglow as well but only with really high doses ) with DPG and was not happy with the effects because it lost a lot of the dynamic ! Pago ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 10:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/4 "2011-04-30T22:06:21Z")
Awesome report! I got mine at 2.5mcgs unfortunately, though I do find good results in the 10 mcg range. You’ve inspired me to try your mix, switching out P97 for P91 (do not have P97 =/) Once again, awesome report! ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/5 "2011-05-30T17:00:39Z")
> [@Maidenfan01](#): > > Awesome report! I got mine at 2.5mcgs unfortunately, though I do find good results in the 10 mcg range. > > You’ve inspired me to try your mix, switching out P97 for P91 (do not have P97 =/) > > Once again, awesome report! How turned things out Maiden ? Pago ---
**Author:** ![hillcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@hillcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillcat)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/6 "2011-08-31T22:23:55Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > **It took me a long time to decide to post my findings with and about P80 !** > > first take a look what others found out … > [P107, P80 - Taking a break and I need some advice...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p107-p80-taking-a-break-and-i-need-some-advice/24837) > > [Meo-Est, P80, P83, P93, P95, P96, P97, P102, P103](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/meo-est-p80-p83-p93-p95-p96-p97-p102-p103/33347) > > [The Great Putative Thread (include input)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-great-putative-thread-include-input/35359) > > [before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476) > > That´s what i found to describe the effects i had the best … all this posts i found reading after the first night out with P80 with amazing effects and wondering what the hell happened > > Really i hesitated to post what i found out and what others maybe have overseen ! > We´ve had too many hypes about some certain molecules ! > A few ones have discovered what it´s good for too but let´s take a look what happened … > > Well .. we all know that P80 is known as the “Military Pheromone” or “Spartan Like” . > It´s true but only when paired with the right molecules - Rone, P102, P75, None, Anone, > Especially with Rone you´re perceived as really pushy and bossy and not in a charming way - you´re not making friends using this combo ! > > Let´s continue … > > I´ve been ordering P80 because i expected it to be a really dominant molecule and i´ve been surprised ! > > I tryed it out at the afternoon and found it to be really motivating and it made me agressive like hell the first time i applied it … > The motivational effects are still present but the agressiveness has shifted into a let´s do it know … i´m a man on a mission and nothing can stop me .. hunter feeling … > > **THE FIRST NIGHT** > > Put 2ml of the 30ml - 20mcg P80 in Grape ( smells great in Grape ) into an small glass atomizer and took it with me into a club - which is usually overcrowded and a perfect tesing ground for mones ! > Can´t say exactly what i had applied but like usually it was a none heavy mix .. and i had the bottle of P80 in my pocket … > At the same time i was playing around with P97 and i found it out to be a nice social modifier and an excellent none buffer .. > – since this time i always carry a togo of P97 with me … > at one point at the evening i felt the urge to try out some P97 to modify my mix and applied 25mcg on my neck over the high none mix ( i think it was TheEdge + P83 + P86 + MeoEst + P79 + TAC ) > will go into details and ratios later .. > > I noticed people more chatty and the none overdose had diminished .. > — little later i decided to put on some P80 and see what it does at the club … > put on 2 sprays onto my forearms ( 40mcg ) at the restroom and went back to the crowd … > > So i expected to be treated like with a heavy dose of A314 or like with and overdose None .. everything really commanding or dominant .. > BUT .. i was really surprised .. girls became flirtatious like hell … really animated around me … started to dance … hits after hits … women staring at me from 5m over … the waitress touching me and grabbing my arm … all hits you can imagine … A WONDER HAPPENED ! > ---- i felt like i parted the Red Sea — > and this is a very energizing combo .. a PUA´s dream .. > > but … somewhat 30 min later i felt that the effects diminised .. > went back to the restroom and applied another 60mcg … it was late and i wanted to see what i´d get out the mix … > the effects were back and they were as good as before … > > After that night .. you can imagine i played around a lot with this combo / mix to figure out what made the effects .. > first i thought it was only the P80 what drove the girls crazy / never had issues with any single guy wearing the mix .. > > **I added this and that and found out that Rone kills the mix … ! > In fact it´s Rone in combination with P80 that makes it the military mone … > stay away from this combo !** > > I won´t tell you all the success stories but this mix hits hard .. fast … every time … creates really visible IOI´s pushes you forward to act … CRAZY > > _— P80 seems to intensify emotions like P79 > — P97 is some kind of catalyst and very close related to P96 > — P96 can be used instead of P97 but the effects will become less visible > — P83 and P86 are in the baseline of nearly every mix i use … a part of the P80 mix > — MeoEst works like MSG and adds some oommmppp to the mix > — TAA works good in the mix and makes a nice youthful vibe … > — IS kills the mix > — MX297 and MX390 combines great with the mix > — can´t say yet what P93 does but i seems to work at low doses in the mix > — TAL wrecks the mix > — too many nols will be contraproductive … P97 plays the roll of the nols > — TAF does not work in this combo … disturbes the effects > — A1 does not do that much .. calming for women and pulls into a diff direction_ > > **HOW TO MAKE IT WORKING** > > Usually i start to a club - bar - night applying the mones in my car .. > > - 20mcg P83 > - 60mcg P86 > - 10mcg P79 > - 100mcg MeoEst > - 2 Sprays Impi or TheEdge ( as a none base ) TUTH and IJ not yet tested > - 50mcg P97 or 40mcg P96 > > i enter a bar or club and search for a nice place close to some hotties and my wing takes care of our place/drinks and i go to the restroom … > put on 40mcg P80 and go back to my wing … > > the girls close to us turn their heads .. girls standing close start to dance and to adjust their clothes … girls bump into me .. girls are waiting to be opened … > BUT … you need to have really good game and be congruent with this mix ! > > Like i told you already the effects will diminish and after 1 hour … reapplication of P80 — 2 sprays where was none application … > next round 😉 > P80 seems to buffer none as well and it seems to make other mones diffuse faster … > later you need to reapplicate none and P97 … > i always take a gel pack Edge with me and a togo P97 and a togo P80 > > after several applications you will have an nice amount of mones on you and usually need 7 sprays P80 an evening > 1 gel Pack TheEdge > 4 to 5 sprays P97 > > High doses of P80 will pull in more dark skinned girls > Lower doses of P80 work better on blonde ones > > P80 together with P97/P96 enhances you ability to scent everything and you will smell a fart from across the room ! > > _It´s better not to move around in the room and stay at your place so that the mix can do it´s magic … > if you move around the club you won´t benefit too much from the combo … > strange but this effect is very pronounced … > search your place at the bar and flirt with the girls …_ and action ! > \*\* > this combo seems to intensifiy the effects of alcohol as well … 😃 > > P.S .. > dont shower me with Pm´s if you don´t have P80/P97/P96/P86 > you need them to make the mix working ! > And yes you need such high doses of P80 ! > And no it won´t last longer than 60 min ! > > Pago pago i whant to try out your mix can you tell me your application points ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/7 "2011-09-01T03:05:23Z")
Alright … Hillcat P79 and P86 and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) to the neck … nicely layered ( you could spray P86 over your cloth or into your hair .. but you´d have to up the dose 20% ) Meo - Est if you have some … behind your ears the none … whatever you have … on the neck … over the other molecules … in the club … you can spray the P80 onto your forearms .. or where the foream bends … and you should spray a bit over the other molecule on your neck reapp the none and the P97 on your neck … this mix takes a lot of playing around with it .. i will look if i can tweak it into a spray version the next weeks .. did not use the killer combo a lot the last months .. i was too busy with other stuff .. and i have another deadly killer mix in the pipeline .. **Pago** ---
**Author:** ![hillcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@hillcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillcat)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/8 "2011-09-05T02:26:04Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > Alright … Hillcat > > P79 and P86 and P83 to the neck … nicely layered > > ( you could spray P86 over your cloth or into your hair .. but you´d have to up the dose 20% ) > > Meo - Est if you have some … behind your ears > > the none … whatever you have … on the neck … over the other molecules > > … > > in the club … > > you can spray the P80 onto your forearms .. or where the foream bends … > > and you should spray a bit over the other molecule on your neck > > reapp the none and the P97 on your neck … > > this mix takes a lot of playing around with it .. > > i will look if i can tweak it into a spray version the next weeks .. > > did not use the killer combo a lot the last months .. i was too busy with other stuff .. > > and i have another deadly killer mix in the pipeline .. > > **Pago** and one last question do you prefer IMPI red dot with this mix or NPA i have both ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/9 "2011-09-05T02:28:08Z")
Impi … NPA is way too edgy … had hard failures with NPA … do not use it in this mix ..o.k. if you can avoid it **Pago** ---
**Author:** ![hillcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@hillcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillcat)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/10 "2011-09-05T03:12:07Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > Impi … NPA is way too edgy … > > had hard failures with NPA … do not use it in this mix ..o.k. if you can avoid it > > **Pago** ok so should you use IMPI then or TUTH ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/11 "2011-09-05T05:43:26Z")
> [@hillcat](#): > > ok so should you use IMPI then or TUTH it´s on you to compare … start with the Impi .. **Pago** ---
**Author:** ![hillcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@hillcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillcat)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/12 "2011-09-14T15:32:21Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > it´s on you to compare … > > start with the Impi .. > > **Pago** I have TE wipes how many would u use with this combo ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/13 "2011-09-14T16:01:43Z")
> [@hillcat](#): > > I have TE wipes how many would u use with this combo TE wipes are tricky to handle .. put on a bit .. don´t unfold the wipe … add more .. and more.. like i do with the Edge gel packs .. there´s no spray on .. and get it going .. you have to get a feel for the mix hope this helps Pago ---
**Author:** ![hillcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@hillcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillcat)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/14 "2011-09-27T18:17:14Z")
Can i substitute Meo-est for ESt would it be the same you think ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 8:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/15 "2011-09-27T20:26:52Z")
> [@hillcat](#): > > Can i substitute Meo-est for ESt would it be the same you think I would say no, because MEO is more exciting and a enhancer. EST is more bonding and connection. ---
**Author:** ![hillcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@hillcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillcat)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 3:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/16 "2011-09-28T15:23:52Z")
Pago do you think this mix would hit harder than say my favorite mix A314 5 drops +tuth x2 +[P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) (50mcg) For pickup and do you have something that hits harder than this P80 mix 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/17 "2011-09-28T16:49:10Z")
I´ve seen nothing … NOTHING that beats that mix when you get it working … it´s constant … you get very visible Hits with it … and it has crazy self effects you don´t necessarily need Meo - Est … if you have P79 it will do the trick .. **Pago** ---
**Author:** ![hillcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@hillcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillcat)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/18 "2011-09-28T16:53:17Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > I´ve seen nothing … NOTHING that beats that mix when you get it working … > > it´s constant … you get very visible Hits with it … and it has crazy self effects > > you don´t necessarily need Meo - Est … > > if you have P79 it will do the trick .. > > **Pago** Thanks for the reply Pago. I have P80 (20mcg), Impi Red dot, P79(10mcg), P96 (20mcg), P86(20mcg), [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)(20mcg) Can i get it working with these and since i dont have MEO do i have to up the dose of P79 form 10mcg to higher dose ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/19 "2011-09-28T17:05:06Z")
that´s all great .. first start with 2 xprays Impi and with 10mcg P79 and 20mcg [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) ( the P86 is optional ) and 40mcg P86 that´s the base … add 20mcg P96 .. or P97 go to the bar … and wait a bit first then go to the restroom … and add some P80 … two sprays a 20 mcg ..one on the left and one on the right and when you come back the hit´s will come in rollin … **Pago** ---
**Author:** ![hillcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@hillcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillcat)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/20 "2011-09-28T17:19:02Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > that´s all great .. > > first start with 2 xprays Impi > > and with 10mcg P78 and 20mcg P83 ( the P86 is optional ) and 40mcg P86 > > that´s the base … add 20mcg P96 .. or P97 > > go to the bar … and wait a bit first > > then go to the restroom … and add some P80 … two sprays a 20 mcg ..one on the left and one on the right > > and when you come back the hit´s will come in rollin … > > **Pago** In your other post you mention 40mcg of P96/97 and 60mcg of P86 ? will this make a difference [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897.md?page=2)