# P81 with P89 - More novel experiences **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 7, 2010, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p81-with-p89-more-novel-experiences/35301 "2010-01-07T02:57:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 1
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p81-with-p89-more-novel-experiences/35301/1 "2010-01-07T02:57:56Z")
**Prologue** The first description of this combination that I am aware of is by Tacitus, about three years ago, in a thread entitled [A novel P81/P89 experience](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-novel-p81-p89-experience/1705). > [@A novel P81/P89 experience](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-novel-p81-p89-experience/1705/1): > > I added these two in to my standard sexmix brew… noticed something both cool and unusual… aside from the expected great sex… we sort of entered “old settled relationship mode” with a feeling of having been with each other and coexisted through thick and thin for ages… now, granted, I’ve known this girl for a good six or seven years but we’ve never been together in an LTR mode… although we have always had good rapport, never any major disagreements… she’s part native american, 50%… and I know Amerind girls… and they aren’t exactly simple creatures, media fantasies about dancing with wolves or dancing with with primal energies notwithstanding… so I dose up with this (by now) pretty damn complex pheromone mix, and I’ve never given it a shot with either P81 or P89 so I think, what the heck, let’s take this for a spin… so we’re nekkidly nude, hanging out, greasing each other up, and yes, getting aroused (like, doh) but also shooting the breeze, a sitting around on the porch on a June evening mood, very solid, grounded… she even felt physically very solid to my hands, almost like we were made of old pieces of wood or something, and we’re having this really good, solid, muscular, earth sex then hanging out, with this solid sense of being with each other… almost the diametric opposite of the dilated eye, spacey romance of alpha-nol, a wholly different sort of connectedness… to which I’m thinking… hmmmm… yeah… there a lot of women who badly need this firm footed grounded mood to rest their emotive states of mind… especially when you have the estratatraenol/P74/alpha-nol pink cloud of love goddess thing turned loose… He was using 50mcg of each but recommended that the average user begin at about 10mcg. More recently, I discussed the P81 / P89 combination on my P81 thread: > [@Warren](#): > > Having had the opportunity to use P81 and P89 together, however, I am amazed at how well they balance each other. P89 removes the irritability from P81. P81 energizes P89 in a way that maintains the improved focus but without the sense of tunnel vision. I was actually surprised at how my peripheral vision seemed enhanced in a manner that allowed me to work as a team with all the people, all around me, all at once. > > I found that people were helpful and cheerful. It seemed to work well with A314, but even without the A314 I was unusually confident and effective with people. I was continually surprised at how unflappable I was. I expected to be irritable from the P81, but quite to the contrary, I constantly missed opportunities to become annoyed. Unlike P81 alone, it definitely had a sense of humor. > > So far, **it seems _equal amounts_ of P81 and P89 work best together**. I want to try a number of different applications based on a mix of P81 and P89. Other combinations that seem to have potential are P81 with P75 and P81 with P82. In retrospect I can see how P81 and P89 contribute effects to create the results of the P81 / P89 mix. Before experiencing it, however, I would never have come close to predicting the unique state created by these two together. It is because of this special synergy, first described by Tacitus, that I have started a new thread to explore specifically the P81 / P89 phenomena. I hope others (Jayarea, Six, Tacitus?) will also have contributions. I’ve mixed P81 and P89 in equal amounts in a goto bottle to experiment with. Here’s one of my first significant experiences: **P81 / P89 with [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/)** I have never really been happy with IG. For me A314 is so much better that IG just pales by comparison. I like SoE when I want a warmer, less authoritarian androsteRone. Sometimes I mix A314 and SoE. I like the idea of the “cool dude” that IG is supposed to project, but IG has always just seemed a little flat to me. Today, I was not in the mood to put on a suit and tie, which is congruent with the status of A314. I didn’t feel very alpha, didn’t want to. So I wore jeans and gave myself two sprays of IG and 15mcg each P81 and P89. I also gave myself 0.5mcg P75, which I always do when I wear IG, which is rumored to contain [TAC, which for me is always best with a little P75.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tac-vs-taa-including-p74-p124-effects/23576) The P81 / P89 really gave some _ **umph** _ to the IG. I felt very confident, relaxed, energized. I was extremely happy with this combination. The people I interacted with were very polite, cooperative and friendly, without being overly talkative. I planned on making three stops, which I did. I considered stopping at the natural market, but decided against it. I made no impromptu stops, nor did I skip anything on my list. I felt neither rushed or tempted to dawdle. At one point I found the parking meter didn’t work, got back into my car and moved it to the next spot. On another day I’d have thought, “I’m only gonna be a minute,” and just left the car where it was. The next stop, I completely forgot to put coins in the meter, but was lucky. I don’t know what that means. When I mix TAC with TAA (without P75), I seem to consistently lock my keys in the car, but I wasn’t wearing any TAA today that I’m aware of. About an hour into this test, I started feeling inexplicable twinges of anxiety. Twenty micrograms of TAC would do that, but I doubt there is so much TAC in two sprays of IG. Next time, I’ll try adding a little more P75. It would be interesting to get some pure androsteRone and try mixing that alone with P81 / P89. **Overall, the IG, P81 / P89 experience felt phenomenally good and deserves follow up.** --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p81-with-p89-more-novel-experiences/35301)._