# P83 5mcg vs 50mcg **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 17, 2012, 11:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577 "2012-12-17T11:27:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![brianmic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@brianmic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/brianmic)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 11:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/1 "2012-12-17T11:27:57Z")
During summer, I was using a 5mcg spray and was applying 5-6 sprays dispersed in three different areas; neck and both arms; for about an amount of 30mcg. I was having quite a good number of hits. However, lately, I went to a 50mcg spray and I am applying only one spray on the neck. I noticed that the hits reduced. Does anyone know why this could have happened! Could this be because having 6 sprays dispersed, the pheros can diffuse faster and better than having one position with a higher dosage. If so, would someone suggest what can I do? Should I dilute the spray to have a smaller amount in each spray and apply more sprays to disperse better the phero. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/3 "2012-12-17T15:00:18Z")
How were you using the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and what were you using it alongside? IME a smaller dose does much better alongside a social and a social sexy mix, whilst a larger dose is more the territory of an overt sexual or very high status mixes and once over 100mcg, the effects can tail off significantly. And yes, spreading out your app points a bit does help diffusion and impact with many pheros - Concentrating on the neck can maximise self effects and proximity impact though, it all depends on the nature of your interactions. ---
**Author:** ![brianmic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@brianmic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/brianmic)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 12:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/4 "2012-12-18T12:27:30Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > How were you using the P83 and what were you using it alongside? IME a smaller dose does much better alongside a social and a social sexy mix, whilst a larger dose is more the territory of an overt sexual or very high status mixes and once over 100mcg, the effects can tail off significantly. > > And yes, spreading out your app points a bit does help diffusion and impact with many pheros - Concentrating on the neck can maximise self effects and proximity impact though, it all depends on the nature of your interactions. I am using it with: 6x [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) (5mcg) 2x [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) (2.5mcg) 1x [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) (2.5mcg) 1.5x [IH](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) 2x [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) (2.5mcg) 2x [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (Summer) 1x [IJ](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) 1x [TUTH](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) 2 drops True instinct Oil based (from true phero) thus, I am using it with a very high status mix, and i think that 50mcg is good! Any suggestions! ---
**Author:** ![Liquid\_Mind44](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/liquid_mind44/32/1984_2.png) [@Liquid\_Mind44](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Liquid_Mind44)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 12:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/5 "2012-12-18T12:33:15Z")
Hmm seems like an adventurous amount of none 😃 Good luck LOL ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 1:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/6 "2012-12-18T13:31:49Z")
> [@brianmic](#): > > I am using it with: > > 6x [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) (5mcg) > 2x [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) (2.5mcg) > 1x [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) (2.5mcg) > 1.5x [IH](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) > 2x [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) (2.5mcg) > 2x [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (Summer) > 1x [IJ](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) > 1x [TUTH](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) > 2 drops True instinct Oil based (from true phero) > > thus, I am using it with a very high status mix, and i think that 50mcg is good! Any suggestions! This would give you 30 mcg [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), which is the typical level for effects. 50 is approaching the upper reported limits. You might want to ease off that IJ. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/7 "2012-12-18T17:14:03Z")
Yes, 30mcg would be fine alongside a more typical overt none dose but with this amount, 50mcg would be much more the thing. Its the 5mcg P79 alongside that amount of none/[P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) that’s sending my eyebrow arcing skyward - That could get a wee bit lively! 😮😃 ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 9:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/8 "2012-12-18T21:40:27Z")
My experience with P75 and [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) has been as 2.5 mcg of 75 and 12.5 of 83, as I search for my daytime mix. This works. I’ve never used A314, but this is like it, at least as for how it affects me. A test of just this is coming soon, possibly at 25 mcg of 83 with the 2.5 of 75. For some ideas about P79, P83 and P75, see this thread: > [@P83 Report: Very Aggressive Girl](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-report-very-aggressive-girl/33270): > > This will be put into my journal but for now I’m putting it here because the experience was very interesting(and very funny). Products being used today: A314(one drop on neck) Meo-EST(6 sprays~150mcgs) [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/)(12.5mcg per spray=36mcgs to neck area) IO(double strength=2sprays to hand) Math: So after I apply A314 and Meo-EST I feel the usual calming effect. I stand outside of class and make small talk with one of the girls asking if she did the homework(very reliable approach technique) and she did… ---
**Author:** ![brianmic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@brianmic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/brianmic)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 12:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/9 "2013-01-15T12:37:36Z")
Sorry for my late reply. but I diluted it and it works better. I dilluted 50mcg (about 1/2) in 2 full bottles of ethanol and did 4 sprays instead of 1 in different regions and i saw again some effects i used to see. it can be also because there used to be hot weather in summer so mones diffused better?!! but there was an improvement 😉 ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/10 "2013-01-15T17:39:44Z")
Lol what the heck happened wearing that much none brianmic? Really interested in reading more about [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) I’ve been wearing 30mcg P83 (alongside 1spray ammo or 1spray tuth, 3-4 sprays IS X2) to clubs That seems like alot of -none you’re using. ---
**Author:** ![brianmic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@brianmic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/brianmic)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 2:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/11 "2013-01-16T02:03:54Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > Lol what the heck happened wearing that much none brianmic? > > Really interested in reading more about P83 > > I’ve been wearing 30mcg P83 (alongside 1spray ammo or 1spray tuth, 3-4 sprays IS X2) to clubs > > That seems like alot of -none you’re using. I find that with this mix I attract all the asians in the club .. but i think it is because of p83 with p79. With high none signature I find that a lot of woman pass in front of me and they just stare and want to flirt - want also eye contact. I see a lot of woman flickering hair and showing their neck. last sat, i even got a woman grab my ass!!! I find woman fight in front of me (to get their spot and dance in front of me). I find older woman (30+) go crazy. all typical of a high none signiture. I find that woman rarely open up first and i like it that way. i never lowered the none level, in fact i increased it. I would not want to miss the crazy hits!!! But In the future i plan to lower it. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/12 "2013-01-16T02:16:17Z")
What is the difference between p83 : “I’m crushing in love and touchy feely” and p83 “I am so uninhibited I want to have animalistic sex”. Is just the dose? For daygame I’m hearing 12.5 mcg, for nightgame 30 mcg.. Works best with summer ammo p75 or ammo IS p75 ? I have access to both combos… looking to attract a special 21 year old caucasion who doesn’t like it when I come on too strong… ---
**Author:** ![brianmic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@brianmic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/brianmic)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 3:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/13 "2013-01-16T03:59:24Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > What is the difference between p83 : “I’m crushing in love and touchy feely” and p83 “I am so uninhibited I want to have animalistic sex”. > > Is just the dose? > > For daygame I’m hearing 12.5 mcg, for nightgame 30 mcg.. > > Works best with summer ammo p75 or ammo IS p75 ? > > I have access to both combos… looking to attract a special 21 year old caucasion who doesn’t like it when I come on too strong… I think that you get the effect also on what you mix it with. [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) lowers last minute resistance (disinhibitator) and gets out her true feelings. EX P83 (50mcg) and tuth is “I am so uninhibited I want to have animalistic sex” where her true feeling may be increased by tuth (animalistic sex) whilst P83 (30mcg) and A1/DHEAS is “I’m crushing in love and touchy feel” where her true feeling is increased by the confort of A1/DHEAS (crush/love). Then P83 also lowers her last minute resistance to act in both cases. This is my opinion. I am not an expert! ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/14 "2013-01-16T20:40:41Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > What is the difference between p83 : “I’m crushing in love and touchy feely” and p83 “I am so uninhibited I want to have animalistic sex”. > > Is just the dose? > > For daygame I’m hearing 12.5 mcg, for nightgame 30 mcg.. > > Works best with summer ammo p75 or ammo IS p75 ? > > I have access to both combos… looking to attract a special 21 year old caucasion who doesn’t like it when I come on too strong… The difference with [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is with what you mix it with P83 seems to have a disinhibition effect Others have said it intensifies the emotions the woman feels from the other pheros you are wearing, and disinhibits her so she is more likely to ACT on them Actually there are alot of good descriptions of P83 using the search function 🙂 So to get animalistic sex, I would imagine something like TUTH e.g. 30mcg P83 + 2 sprays TUTH. \<— that that mix wont necessarily be appropriate for everyone at all times, but its just an example. Say you go to the bedroom and you and her are going to have sex You could wear 30mcg + 1-4 sprays TUTH. Perhaps a buffer, I like IS If that molecule some have said intensifies her orgasms works (I havent used it yet), then that too So really P83 is great in most mixes I guess some things are dose related too of course ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 5:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/15 "2013-01-17T05:20:52Z")
Does anyone get an itchy dry skin rash almost when applying p83 in akuto to the back of their neck by the next day? I wondering if its the p83 or the akuto? I’ve recently reordered in neroli.. I am hoping it is the akuto and not p83 so I can continue to wear it. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 9:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/16 "2013-01-17T09:55:42Z")
It will be the Akuto or the solvent. I don’t get it from Akuto or [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) but I have had similar from other fragrances and you can find bad reactions will differ across the body, esp places you don’t normally use them. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 10:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/17 "2013-01-17T10:16:37Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > What is the difference between p83 : “I’m crushing in love and touchy feely” and p83 “I am so uninhibited I want to have animalistic sex”. > > Is just the dose? > > For daygame I’m hearing 12.5 mcg, for nightgame 30 mcg.. I have never got anything remotely “crushy” from [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) at any dose. This is a fairly recent claim for it and I’m not convinced the (relatively inexperienced at the time) poster who first attributed it was in any position to properly evaluate the performance/effects of the individual mones in the mixes he was using and was also very likely confusing the undoubted disinhibiting effects of P83 with something more serious. That said, the P83 disinhibition will very likely help things along nicely if used alongside a genuine crush-combo but again, crush effects are most usually created by repeated exposure, not by a single instance, so if you are going for that, keep the same mix for a few encounters. Dose - I’ve used a wide range of P83 doses at all sorts of times and found them mostly effective. IMO, it is much more the rest of the mix that directly influences the P83 dose - a light, social mix needs less, whilst an edgy, strongly sexual or very high status mix will need increasingly more. Up to approx 80-100mcg, when the effects of P83 can get so disinhibiting that they start to work against you. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 1:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/18 "2013-01-17T13:08:43Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I have never got anything remotely “crushy” from P83 at any dose. This is a fairly recent claim for it and I’m not convinced the (relatively inexperienced at the time) poster who first attributed it was in any position to properly evaluate the performance/effects of the individual mones in the mixes he was using and was also very likely confusing the undoubted disinhibiting effects of P83 with something more serious. > > That said, the P83 disinhibition will very likely help things along nicely if used alongside a genuine crush-combo but again, crush effects are most usually created by repeated exposure, not by a single instance, so if you are going for that, keep the same mix for a few encounters. > > Dose - I’ve used a wide range of P83 doses at all sorts of times and found them mostly effective. IMO, it is much more the rest of the mix that directly influences the P83 dose - a light, social mix needs less, whilst an edgy, strongly sexual or very high status mix will need increasingly more. Up to approx 80-100mcg, when the effects of P83 can get so disinhibiting that they start to work against you. I used 2.5 mcg p75, 30 mcg p83, and 2 sprays summer ammo to the mall at 4 pm.. This was widely accepted and I got no overdose. Now do you think a combo like that is not really a daytime mix? because it seemed to work for me. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-5mcg-vs-50mcg/57577/19 "2013-01-17T15:40:34Z")
That sounds just fine. The P75 alone would justify the 30mcg [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) but I would always be looking for opportunities to get physical or the benefits of the P83 might be largely wasted.