# P83... a nice little empathogen **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 3, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646 "2006-09-03T19:02:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/1 "2006-09-03T19:02:15Z")
P83 has the feel of the P74, and a cousin to P86, friendly approachable, endorphin gentleness to it… sort of belly rub nature… So far the P series is like: **P74** **P83** **P86** Where P74 is the most social, P86 seems to be more personal skin/tactile and P83 may fall in between… the mind runs smoothly and efficiently on P83, and I make fewer typo mistakes, even when writing long things… so it isn’t like a ga-ga experience… P86 made the surfaces of the physical world more enticing… I would suppose there is some part of the brain that wants to explore the environment that is triggered by this, weigh things, sense their texture, and P83 might be closer to storytelling at the end of the day… **P88** **P78** can be strange, but useful perception or identity shifters, sometimes an odd energy that is more novel than immediately useful, but in the right amounts might also add a level of comprehension… **P87** **P85** **P84** definitely cleaner uppers, perception refiners, focus without tension, kind of flow state enhancers, with P87 being the high octane brother of this group **P80** A bit of the Colonel in this, high ranking, alpha concern for his pack, a mixture of discipline and empathy… **P79** Need we say more about this much discussed putative. Erotic as hell for some, focusing and constructive for others… **[P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/)** **P76** **P77** mixed reports of none breed of animal, can veer into the turfy, edgy, irritable, impatient… in minute doses can add a male depth, in more than that can put everyone on edge… ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2006, 12:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/2 "2006-09-04T00:22:14Z")
random thoughts > [@tacitus](#): > > P83 has the feel of the P74, and a cousin to P86, friendly approachable, endorphin gentleness to it… sort of belly rub nature… > > So far the P series is like: > > **P74** > **P83** > **P86** > > Where P74 is the most social, P86 seems to be more personal skin/tactile and P83 may fall in between… the mind runs smoothly and efficiently on P83, and I make fewer typo mistakes, even when writing long things… so it isn’t like a ga-ga experience… P86 made the surfaces of the physical world more enticing… I would suppose there is some part of the brain that wants to explore the environment that is triggered by this, weigh things, sense their texture, and P83 might be closer to storytelling at the end of the day… > > **P88** > **P78** > > can be strange, but useful perception or identity shifters, sometimes an odd energy that is more novel than immediately useful, but in the right amounts might also add a level of comprehension… > > **P87** > **P85** > **P84** > > definitely cleaner uppers, perception refiners, focus without tension, kind of flow state enhancers, with P87 being the high octane brother of this group > > **P80** > > A bit of the Colonel in this, high ranking, alpha concern for his pack, a mixture of discipline and empathy… > > **P79** > > Need we say more about this much discussed putative. Erotic as hell for some, focusing and constructive for others… > > **P75** > **P76** > **P77** > > mixed reports of none breed of animal, can veer into the turfy, edgy, irritable, impatient… in minute doses can add a male depth, in more than that can put everyone on edge… superb insights & summary. is the drive to explore triggered by P86 at all reminiscent of the safari mix? (I have yet to try either). so as we discover some of the pheromonal notes with more subtle aspects, it’s interesting also to pursue what you and michael have suggested wrt deploying a sequence of mixes, each adapted to the appropriate phase of the seduction. so, for example, I wonder if highish doses of P74 may tend to favour mental states in the target that are not consistent with inducing attraction in her. (whereas it might be better as part of a relationship mix and maybe also as a lower-volume note in a party mix if complemented by other brassier voices). i suppose also we will find out over time which notes play well together (unlike, say TAA and TAC). [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and mystery method??? ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2006, 2:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/3 "2006-09-04T02:39:06Z")
P83 has some wicked sexual aspects, in me at least caught me off guard… I was basically feeling good… uply (is that a word ?) social… decent humorous get along doggies mentality… thennnn… **I began to notice a buzz in my primordial chakra** … unusual , I was becoming hornified and [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) don’t typically do that to me… those whom I encounter, yes, me, I mean, not romanticized nor revved nor whatever it is… just plain thinking and feeling a whole lotta sex mojo… outa the blu … so that evening I have a double strenght orgasm… one of those knock the wind right out of ya 220v throw away your crutches and holler Praise Jesus! orgasms… yezoiks! Was that the P83 tawkin ? Where did that come from ? Could it have been some other factor ? The pomegranate juice ? Naaahh… That was goooood, boy… now I don’t know if that was a one offer, or if it is a scientifically reproducible event… sure got my attention tho…😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2006, 5:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/4 "2006-09-04T17:15:10Z")
A provisional change for the nonce… > [@tacitus](#): > > P83 has the feel of the P74, and a cousin to P86, friendly approachable, endorphin gentleness to it… sort of belly rub nature… > > So far the P series is like: > > **P74** > **P86** > (P83 is being reassigned to the pro-sexual category with P79, for now) > Where P74 is the most social, P86 seems to be more personal skin/tactile and P83 may fall in between… the mind runs smoothly and efficiently on P83, and I make fewer typo mistakes, even when writing long things… so it isn’t like a ga-ga experience… P86 made the surfaces of the physical world more enticing… I would suppose there is some part of the brain that wants to explore the environment that is triggered by this, weigh things, sense their texture, and P83 might be closer to storytelling at the end of the day… > > **P88** > **P78** > > can be strange, but useful perception or identity shifters, sometimes an odd energy that is more novel than immediately useful, but in the right amounts might also add a level of comprehension… > > **P87** > **P85** > **P84** > > definitely cleaner uppers, perception refiners, focus without tension, kind of flow state enhancers, with P87 being the high octane brother of this group > > **P80** > > A bit of the Colonel in this, high ranking, alpha concern for his pack, a mixture of discipline and empathy… > > **P79** > **P83** > Need we say more about this much discussed putative. Erotic as hell for some, focusing and constructive for others…P83, based on a single experience… may be a man hotter upper equivalent of P79 as a girly hotter upper… more, eh, research is in order… P79+P83 _might_ turn out to be head spinningly erotic… > > **P75** > **P76** > **P77** > > mixed reports of none breed of animal, can veer into the turfy, edgy, irritable, impatient… in minute doses can add a male depth, in more than that can put everyone on edge… OK… now go play nicely with your new toys… ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2006, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/5 "2006-09-04T17:18:09Z")
notice that in the above quote there has been some shifting [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) now grouped with P79 Harris… do you think it’s time for the next round of putatives ? I’m ready to rock…😛 🙂 😕 😛 ---
**Author:** ![SwingerMD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SwingerMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SwingerMD)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2006, 6:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/6 "2006-09-05T06:01:15Z")
Second day on using p83 here. The feeling that I get from this one and the vibe that I get from other people can be summed up by part of the lyrics from a song: What you want. Baby I got. What you need. Do you know I got it? A’ll I’m askin’ Is for a little respect when you come home (just a little bit). Yesturday, I wore about 60 mcg along with four drops of Pheros at a dance. Same thing today as I was running around doing errands. On Suday, I had a very long conversation with the ballroom cook on new laptop computers. She wanted my expert opinion on what new computers to get. Nothing noticable from any of the follows that I danced with yesturday, but I got approached by a few aspiring photographers (I’m a well known photographer on the swing dance scene.), wanting to know my opinion on equipment, techniques, etc . . . . As for today, I went into the Bose store to ask for replacement ear pads for my Triports. The service rep began by telling me how I can go to the website to order new earpads. After telling me this he said, “You know, on second thought . . . it’s my last day here . . . we normally don’t do this, but I’ll just get you some new ones.” Outside the mall I ran into a couple of swing dance follows that I knew and a local jazz saxaphonist (playing on the sidewalk). Within a few min, I found myself dancing with one of them amids the Labor Day traffic on the sidewalk. I was even asked if I teach dancing lessons (I don’t.). All in all, a very unusal day. I’ll try this out on my co-workers tomorrow. -SwingerMD ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2006, 2:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/7 "2006-09-05T14:51:07Z")
residual P87 on my clothing P87 on jacket has lasted for a couple of days, and retains some uplifiting impacts on those around me… socially positive, a tad disinhibiting, some of the youthful TAAness to it… in low doses it has a sweet, energetic quality… ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2006, 8:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/8 "2006-09-22T08:30:53Z")
> [@SwingerMD](#): > > Second day on using p83 here. The feeling that I get from this one and the vibe that I get from other people can be summed up by part of the lyrics from a song: > > What you want. > Baby I got. > What you need. > Do you know I got it? > A’ll I’m askin’ > Is for a little respect when you come home (just a little bit). > > Yesturday, I wore about 60 mcg along with four drops of Pheros at a dance. Same thing today as I was running around doing errands. On Suday, I had a very long conversation with the ballroom cook on new laptop computers. She wanted my expert opinion on what new computers to get. Nothing noticable from any of the follows that I danced with yesturday, but I got approached by a few aspiring photographers (I’m a well known photographer on the swing dance scene.), wanting to know my opinion on equipment, techniques, etc . . . . > > As for today, I went into the Bose store to ask for replacement ear pads for my Triports. The service rep began by telling me how I can go to the website to order new earpads. After telling me this he said, “You know, on second thought . . . it’s my last day here . . . we normally don’t do this, but I’ll just get you some new ones.” > > Outside the mall I ran into a couple of swing dance follows that I knew and a local jazz saxaphonist (playing on the sidewalk). Within a few min, I found myself dancing with one of them amids the Labor Day traffic on the sidewalk. I was even asked if I teach dancing lessons (I don’t.). All in all, a very unusal day. I’ll try this out on my co-workers tomorrow. > > -SwingerMD Hey Swinger lol anything we need - baby you got it! anymore insights/tests on these crazy putatives. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2006, 6:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/9 "2006-10-01T06:49:40Z")
> [@Ail](#): > > 1. [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and [P88](https://pheromonelabs.com/). Worn together, definitely ramp up the heat factor in intimate encounters. Whoa! any more insights on [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) or P88 anyone? Visionary ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2006, 1:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/10 "2006-10-01T13:18:24Z")
Should be an interesting combination [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is sexy by itself… I found it was a good orgasm enhancer… sorta took it to another level. and P88 is an “awareness enhancer” … you will be unusually aware of facial nuances… put them together and you should be waaay focused…😛 ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2006, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/11 "2006-10-01T14:33:33Z")
P88 vs TAH? > [@tacitus](#): > > P83 is sexy by itself… I found it was a good orgasm enhancer… sorta took it to another level. and P88 is an “awareness enhancer” … you will be unusually aware of facial nuances… put them together and you should be waaay focused…😛 P88 more oriented to individual nuances than TAH? ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 9:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/12 "2006-10-03T09:08:52Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > **P80** > > A bit of the Colonel in this, high ranking, alpha concern for his pack, a mixture of discipline and empathy… I wonder how P80 would compare with A314 even straight Androstenone? It might be an interesting comparison. I think I am going to try P80, [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), P88 now. I am going to be a poor man soon but I just love experimenting! Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 7:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/13 "2006-10-03T19:13:35Z")
> [@](#): > > **P80** > > A bit of the Colonel in this, high ranking, alpha concern for his pack, a mixture of discipline and empathy… So you get the urge to wear a white suit and sell fried chicken? ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 7:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/14 "2006-10-03T19:15:33Z")
take it easy with P80… it projects some serious authority… start light and work up by 5 mu at a click… at a low-liminal level it puts a rock solid floor under the mone mix, and women like that… too much and it can feel heavy, like you’re being questioned by some big cops…🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2006, 8:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/15 "2006-10-05T08:53:11Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > take it easy with P80… it projects some serious authority… start light and work up by 5 mu at a click… at a low-liminal level it puts a rock solid floor under the pheromone mix, and women like that… too much and it can feel heavy, like you’re being questioned by some big cops…🆒 lol I can just imagine me wearing P80, -None, A314 together at work. I will be the resident Clint Eastwood 😃 ! Visionary ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2006, 11:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/16 "2006-10-05T11:43:02Z")
I may have fired five, I may have fired six… **the question is, do you feel lucky today…punk ?** O boy… yes, been there and done that… A314 with P80 IS the Clint mix… 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2006, 7:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/17 "2006-10-05T19:26:16Z")
A314+P80=Clint Eastwood? Is he like sorta extreme James Bond guy or something? ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2006, 9:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/18 "2006-10-05T21:16:13Z")
> [@Homura83](#): > > A314+P80=Clint Eastwood? > Is he like sorta extreme James Bond guy or something? Ever see “Dirty Harry” or “The Good, Bad, and Ugly”? (We’ll leave out “The Bridges of Madison County”) ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2006, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/19 "2006-10-05T22:56:40Z")
I’m so glad you posted that , Jim. I was sitting here munching on Pumpkin seeds and thinking.. “He’s joking…right? Yeah..must be..” _Munch, munch…munch_ “OK, I don’t think he WAS joking…” “Wow..” THAT would be what was going on in my inner-dialogue.. I guess.. I have NO idea who the up-to-date equivalent of Clint would be..any ideas? ..and yes, before you shout at me: 1. It IS very late here, 2. I DO have stuff to prepare for the Full-Moon castings (as will a few others on here, but it hits here earlier obviously), 3. ..and YES, I am still buying.. 🙂 Just before I get a row for being up so late…\>\_\> Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2006, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/20 "2006-10-05T23:07:41Z")
> [@Ail](#): > > I’m so glad you posted that , Jim. 🙂… [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646.md?page=2)