# P83 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power **URL:** \ **Category:** A314 Insider's Club\ **Created:** [December 13, 2007, 10:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367 "2007-12-13T10:39:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 10:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367/1 "2007-12-13T10:39:47Z")
**Has anyone tried P83 specifically for the ‘increased focus on the wearer’/auditory sensitivity/‘energy sensitivity agent’ effect (okay its hard to understand I think). I would think it would be useful when wanting to convince others, when wanting to sell something to them (even an idea), and when wanting others to be further focused on your A314 presence.** **I am not talking about the ‘sexual’ type hits that this putative can bring with it but rather flat out using it as a way to further increase the gains in ‘personal power’ that [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) (and personal action ) brings along with it.** **Here are some posts that imply P83’s potential indirect usefulness as an add on to P83 for personal power enhancement…** **TaoistBiker’s and Tater’s desriptions of what P83 does comprise the first three pasted posts:** [High-dose P83 – a different kind of ‘respect’ signal? - #2 by TaoistBiker](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-dose-p83-a-different-kind-of-respect-signal/3219/2) ([High-dose P83 – a different kind of ‘respect’ signal? - #2 by TaoistBiker](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-dose-p83-a-different-kind-of-respect-signal/3219/2)) TaoistBiker (April 21, 2007): “My P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) experience is somewhat dose dependent. **I would describe it as a “vibe sensitivity” substance. In small amounts, it makes me sensitive to the energy present, and in high doses “sucks you in” to the energy. If things are social, it tracks the social energy. Likewise, it seems to have a similar response to anti-social and sexual energies. Very cool and empathetic in a way** I’m wondering if the P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) is playing off your natural energies. Adding something like [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) or [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) modify the intensity while playing with either identification or disassociation of the subjective experience. I think playing around with a [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)/P83 combination could be fun.” [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-dose-p83-a-different-kind-of-respect-signal/3219/4](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-dose-p83-a-different-kind-of-respect-signal/3219/4) TaoistBiker (April 21, 2007): “**[P83] feels more like a connecting agent rather than an enhancing agent. Subjectively it feels like an “experience”, “state” or “energy” bonding experience.** **It’s different than beta-Androstenol to me in that beta-Androstenol is a more emotional/cerebral sort of connection and in me tends to be a “person bonding” experience.** ” **`http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/worth-wait-im-testing-p83-7024-4.html#post74851`** **MadisonTate (November 2007):** “Tater thinks P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) has broader scope than [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/), and that can be worse in some ways. However, Tater has never tried anything with straight [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)…Turn Up the Heat is the closest. \*\*[P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and [P86](https://pheromonelabs.com/) seem to play with how vividly you can visualize something youre touching or feeling. I dont even think it gets rid of inhibitions, just that it enhances your ability to imagine something well, or feel something well, and if your resistance is almost exhausted, this can make you act on it. \*\*If boyfriends dont find that [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) triggers their turf protection instincts, i think its because they arent interested in you and theres no push there. However, if hes a brawler who enjoys sinking his fist into a punks face, and you tick him off by flirting with his girl, you may get an even worse fight. Instead of wanting to counter your aggressiveness, he will be enjoying the feeling of pummelling your face into the wall and may go on far longer than when he would normally stop. A [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)/P86/MEO-EST combination greases the rails for whatever train is on the track, and makes you not want to stop it. You still need to get it started, though. Tater also thinks that [P86](https://pheromonelabs.com/) is being ignored. Use it together with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). See what happens. Theyre complementary.” **Next we have P83’s potential usefulness as an auditory enhancer. This might result in some kind of reverse super power - as in others seem to ‘hear’ the P83 wearer better (which has been my own experience)…** More hi performance communication swill ([High performance communication: a 650 mu megadose of MEO-EST and putatives - #14 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-hi-performance-communication-swill/1849/14)) Tacitus (February 1, 2007): “…**P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) has this interesting property of letting people “hear” (in the broader sense of open communication) each other**\*\*…”\*\* 1 week of ([1 week of p83 - #15 by MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-week-of-p83/1928/15))[p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) MarkL (11 March 2007): **“2.5 mu ([Microgram - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)) [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)** I applied to chin and inhaled during the spray. Just one spray over a mostly depleted base of [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) mutant and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). After about ten minutes, I started making the small muscular adjustments that remind me of trying to clear my sinuses and nasal passages when taking off in an airplane. Except I was flexing and extending my temporoparietal muscles, the auriculares .. and some of the jaw and throat muscles as well: clearing my **ears**. The next few hours riding around the city on buses and trains I was attuned to the sounds around me. Perhaps it was a shift in attention, or perhaps a real ratchet in auditory capacity – I was able to get a sense of the tone of people around me who were conversing, even when they spoke at a murmur (or I felt I did!) I seemed to have an empathetic understanding of their … “vocal intent”, if that makes any sense. I repeated the P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) application about 8 hours later – one spray – and felt comfortable in my local bar sitting back and listening to the buzz around me. I felt I got some of the nuances of the music (videos) playing in the bar – more than I would ordinarily have picked up on – and could suss out the quality of laughter of various people there. I was able to rapidly shift my attention to tune into a short utterance from across the room, then jump back to two or three other conversations. While I could hear words if I wanted to, I wasn’t eavesdropping – I ignored the words, for the most part, and tried to just listen to tone and rhythm. I wondered if I’d shift into non-semantic audition (when listening to a quality of a person’s voice and you shift into a mode where although you hear the words, you only hear the words as if they were nonsense sounds; you can pick a word and repeat it until it begins to lose it’s meaning-carrying value, until it’s just a sound). I didn’t, but I’ll make a conscious intention to go there if I can when I try [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) next. **In summary: high auditory alertness, flexibility, and perhaps even enhanced sensitivity, preceded by face and throat “gestures” or “exercises” related to “opening ears”…** **PS: I had** [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) / 2.5 **[mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) in a to-go with no additional scent.** I\*\* get a hint of a rotting/aging meat aroma from [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), but I stop sensing it after a minute.” **P83 has already been used by Phoenix and NBully with good results. I can definitely remember getting the ‘quieting/focused on me mode’ that Phoenix talks about when I wore high doses of P83 (60 mcg+)…** 1 week of ([1 week of p83 - #12 by Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-week-of-p83/1928/12))[p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) Phoenix (February 16, 2007): “**I found [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) to have a quieting effect, or “puts you focused on me” mode, when used with 2 drops mutant [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)… more authority, it boosted my [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) for sure.** **I’ll be using it again in future**..” `http://smellscent.blogspot.com/` Nbully79 (October 29, 2007): “**Day report 3 A314 + MX158 (12.5 mcg P83 in Ammo)** Rubbed on chest and neck and wrists. I was wearing winter clothing so most of the application points were covered except the neck. **Today I had decided to do few things, all work related, and was purposeful from morning. P83 might have enhanced the feeling. Also got quite a few looks of respect and unexpected smiles. Some from older ladies, ala none effect but also from some ladies in their 20s. My mood was even, also articulate. It seems to be an enhancer like P79 but feels slightly different.** **Need to try when not feeling so confident and purposeful.** ” **P83 seems to have some kind of ‘passionate’ quality to it where people use it for dancing and possibly other kind of musical performances. I can see that also being very useful (with the other qualities of P83 mentioned above) in sales demonstrations for example, business presentations and in convincing others into following a course of action (see the highlighted part in Carries’s first post below and Kitten’s post - the last one pasted in below)…** P83… a nice little empathogen ([P83... a nice little empathogen - #6 by SwingerMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/6)) SwingerMD (5 September 2006): "Second day on using p83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) here. The feeling that I get from this one and the vibe that I get from other people can be summed up by part of the lyrics from a song: What you want. Baby I got. What you need. Do you know I got it? A’ll I’m askin’ Is for a little respect when you come home (just a little bit). Yesturday, I wore about 60 mcg ([Microgram - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)) along with four drops of Pheros at a dance. Same thing today as I was running around doing errands. On Suday, I had a very long conversation with the ballroom cook on new laptop computers. She wanted my expert opinion on what new computers to get. Nothing noticable from any of the follows that I danced with yesturday, but I got approached by a few aspiring photographers (I’m a well known photographer on the swing dance scene.), wanting to know my opinion on equipment, techniques, etc . . . . As for today, I went into the Bose store to ask for replacement ear pads for my Triports. The service rep began by telling me how I can go to the website to order new earpads. After telling me this he said, “You know, on second thought . . . it’s my last day here . . . we normally don’t do this, but I’ll just get you some new ones.” **Outside the mall I ran into a couple of swing dance follows that I knew and a local jazz saxaphonist (playing on the sidewalk). Within a few min, I found myself dancing with one of them amids the Labor Day traffic on the sidewalk. I was even asked if I teach dancing lessons (I don’t.).** All in all, a very unusal day. I’ll try this out on my co-workers tomorrow. -SwingerMD" [P83… a nice little empathogen](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/26) Carrie (18 November 2006): "We were out dancing last night and I wore 50 mcg ([Microgram - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)) of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) with Serge Lutens Fleurs d’Oranger; no other -[pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). On the way there, W (my husband) was annoyed with the other drivers on the freeway and his own aggressive driving style (his usual M.O.) really bugged me - I felt more bothered by it than usual. I felt fairly unconnected with the crowd, observing them coolly and critically. They were mostly white folks in their 20s and weren’t feeling the band (10-piece soul/funk/R&B) the way we were so the giant dance floor was all ours until about 11 when it filled up (I suppose a lot of them won’t dance until their blood alcohol level reaches a certain point!) The highlight of the evening came later on and can’t be attributed entirely to -pheromones of course, but they may have played some role, who knows? I really adore this band and was thrilled when late in the evening the leader (K) approached us and offered W a job in a new band he’s forming. We’ve talked to him once before so he knew W is getting out of his current band and looking for a new one. **K talked about this new smaller group having a different focus, being all about “the beauty” and “leaving a lot of space” - he was speaking W’s language. They love the same material and K knows a lot of the guys W has played with before, but I think it’s kind of unusual to get offered this kind of gig without ever hearing W play a note!**" P83… a nice little empathogen ([P83... a nice little empathogen - #30 by Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/30)) Carrie (19 November 2006): "…I do believe W was acted on by the P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)). He is very permeable to environmental influence, sensitive and psychic, and he responds quite a bit to my vibe, whether it’s pheromonally amped or not. I think that he _does_ have a naturally aggressive personality but it’s been damped down by circumstances and typically has only come out under pressure. For example, he was bullied as a kid, but morphed into a monster on the football field - all that adolescent rage found the perfect outlet! \*\*On \*\*\*\*P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) testing night, he behaved dominantly and aggressively (\*not _usual for him, except behind the wheel). His dancing was bold and sensual, which set him apart. The confidence he displayed garnered him more attention and respect than he gets when he’s his usual Minnesota-nice self. He seemed to get into a zone similar to where he goes when he’s onstage performing … on second thought, maybe he_ was \*auditioning for K! \*\* [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) feels none-like to me; at least it makes me/us more dominant, edgy, impatient, uninhibited. I didn’t feel sexually aroused by wearing it alone (though I have before when wearing it with cops). W didn’t seem to be aroused by it either, though his morning-after erection was even more impressive than usual - no time to play, unfortunately!" 1 week of ([1 week of p83 - #10 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-week-of-p83/1928/10))[p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) Tacitus (12 February 2007): **"…then back to…** P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)), IN moderation, “buried deep in the mix”… can put a focused, attentive, totally in the moment quality… so it might be great for performers too, say if you wanted a band to practice hard and get their gig super tight you might balance **[P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) for precision and** [Estratetraenol](https://phera.com/) for groove…"\*\* **[P74, P79, P83, P88 - #27 by Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-p79-p83-p88/4440/27)** **Kitten (August 22, 2007):** **“…When some friends and I went out to lunch, we got into this major conversation about the nation’s infrastructure. (No lite chitchat at all.) Voices were raised, but we weren’t arguing. We were just really into it and we were agreeing strongly. After a while the opinions expressed were so adamant that at any minute I expected we’d rise up and storm the Bastille! 😮 Later in the day, when the P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) had worn off, I ran into one of them again and she acted a little sheepish or embarrassed for some reason…”** ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2007, 12:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367/2 "2007-12-17T12:15:51Z")
When p83 arrived home I started using it with A314 and maybe a little betanol for work. I usually notice some envy feelings from other man when using A314+Beta Androstenol and mixing it with p83 made the mix a little more social and people react more in the way “He’s an alpha man, but when I talk to him I am not frightened, he considers him almost a friend, an equal, and i am not an equal” so he cound end doing us a favor to compensate this, using A314 and betanol only it was more social in other way, more like “he’s an alpha but when I talk to him he’s much superior to me, he’s forgiving my life, why am I talking to him?”, and normally ended in some commentaries about how “high I am”. Anyway I stopped using it after a week because of a very sexual hit on a female coworker. Visionary IMHO, p83 can be used por empathism and that could convince people that they think the same as you, but used for men that’s ok. The problem comes when used in women, the tiniest (very very tiny) sexual insinuation (let’s say a longer look) could end in sexual arousement in a work enviroment (I must say sometimes girls are only suddently hot but they don’t have to necessarily relate it to you and go search her husband). So it should be worn keeping this in mind if your targets are women. Just an opinion 😉, maybe it could be used without -none, let’s say only -Androsterone instead of A314 for avoiding this? PD: My dose was 12.5mcg and 25mcg p83 (don’t remember how much i worn when sexual hits happened) + 3 x A314. Maybe using less we get more women emphatogen than sexual effects? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 10:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367/3 "2007-12-18T10:32:58Z")
Hey Capone > [@capone](#): > > When p83 arrived home I started using it with A314 and maybe a little betanol for work. I usually notice some envy feelings from other man when using A314+Beta Androstenol and **mixing it with p83 made the mix a little more social and people react more in the way “He’s an alpha man, but when I talk to him I am not frightened, he considers him almost a friend, an equal, and i am not an equal” so he cound end doing us a favor to compensate this,** using A314 and betanol only it was more social in other way, more like “he’s an alpha but when I talk to him he’s much superior to me, he’s forgiving my life, why am I talking to him?”, and normally ended in some commentaries about how “high I am”. > [@capone](#): > > Anyway I stopped using it after a week because of a very sexual hit on a female coworker. So the person who is exposed to your Beta-Androstenol + A314 + P83 combo could end up doing you favours to compensate for the ‘effect’. Just curious, have you actually had any extra ‘favours’ (from guys or girls) in the time you added P83 to your mix? Do you think adding the P83 seems to lessen the ‘respect’ aspect of the mix a little – every time I add anything that is a friendly pheromone to A314 it seems to downplay some of the ‘power’/’admiration’ aspect of A314. > [@capone](#): > > Visionary IMHO, p83 can be used por empathism and that could convince people that they think the same as you, but used for men that’s ok. So you mean that P83 could be used for adding empathy and convincing people that they think the same as you? So it could be some kind of connecting agent like TaoistBiker said (see pasted posts below). I am not sure what line of work you are in Cap but how do you think this could be best exploited in a work environment – I am thinking it might be useful in Sales, when trying to convince people of ideas in meetings/presentations, and for example when trying to hype people up (and keep them hyped) to be at their best in achieving a goal. Also perhaps team building. What do you think? Does P83 do something that other empathy-promoting molecules (like P74 and Estratetraenol) and other comfort builders (like P93 and Beta-Androstenol) don’t? [High-dose P83 – a different kind of ‘respect’ signal? - #2 by TaoistBiker](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-dose-p83-a-different-kind-of-respect-signal/3219/2) ([High-dose P83 – a different kind of ‘respect’ signal? - #2 by TaoistBiker](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-dose-p83-a-different-kind-of-respect-signal/3219/2)) TaoistBiker (April 21, 2007): “My P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) experience is somewhat dose dependent. **I would describe it as a “vibe sensitivity” substance. In small amounts, it makes me sensitive to the energy present, and in high doses “sucks you in” to the energy. If things are social, it tracks the social energy. Likewise, it seems to have a similar response to anti-social and sexual energies. Very cool and empathetic in a way** I’m wondering if the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is playing off your natural energies. Adding something like [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) or [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) modify the intensity while playing with either identification or disassociation of the subjective experience. I think playing around with a [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)/P83 combination could be fun.” [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-dose-p83-a-different-kind-of-respect-signal/3219/4](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-dose-p83-a-different-kind-of-respect-signal/3219/4) TaoistBiker (April 21, 2007): “**[P83] feels more like a connecting agent rather than an enhancing agent. Subjectively it feels like an “experience”, “state” or “energy” bonding experience.** **It’s different than beta-Androstenol to me in that beta-Androstenol is a more emotional/cerebral sort of connection and in me tends to be a “person bonding” experience.** ” > [@capone](#): > > The problem comes when used in women, the tiniest (very very tiny) sexual insinuation (let’s say a longer look) could end in sexual arousement in a work enviroment (I must say sometimes girls are only suddently hot but they don’t have to necessarily relate it to you and go search her husband). So it should be worn keeping this in mind if your targets are women. Okay so that would be a problem for everyday use in a work environment. Then again P83 is a more ‘socially acceptable’ pheromone to wear out in public from my own experience than AndrosteNone. At medium dosages (25 mcg) I don’t think there is much aggression either with it whereas with Androstenone even at very low dosages it can set someone sensitive and impulsive off. Also I don’t know if ‘occasional’ sexual hits are that bad in a work environment. Unless you are saying that even at 12.5-25 mcg of P83 it can come across that the wearer (in this case you) is too sexually aggressive? > [@capone](#): > > Just an opinion , maybe it could be used without -none, let’s say only -Androsterone instead of A314 for avoiding this? Yes I would like to try that idea! Perhaps when I next get P83 I will pair it with [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) (which is mostly AndrosteRone without any AndrosteNone at all) and see what it does in the office. Another idea is to have the MHarris/Jasmin replace all the minute amounts of AndrosteNone in A314 with P83 - and perhaps much larger amounts of P83 would be needed to avoid the following effect as described by MHarris… [When will the new Pheromones To Go section have products?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-go/579/18) ([When will the new Pheromones To Go section have products?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-go/579/18)) MHarris (August 25, 2006): “…Androsterone alone, though, has too much of a provider feeling to it… sort of like a giant, male placental figure. Rone alone can get you walked all over, and have your lover seeking a -none male during ovulation…” > [@capone](#): > > PD: My dose was 12.5mcg and 25mcg p83 (don’t remember how much i worn when sexual hits happened) + 3 x A314. Maybe using less we get more women emphatogen than sexual effects? So you weren’t wearing massive doses of P83. Perhaps if you want to take a ‘chance’ sometime you could try going higher (say 60 mcg of P83) with your regular 3 drops of A314. I also found that P83 diffused quite quickly so don’t expect any ‘hits’ that are not within 2 hours of applying the P83. Anyway thanks again for trying this (reps to you) and let us know if you continue with this experiment. -Visionary ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 1:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367/4 "2007-12-18T13:50:39Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Hey Capone > > So the person who is exposed to your Beta-Androstenol + A314 + P83 combo could end up doing you favours to compensate for the ‘effect’. Just curious, have you actually had any extra ‘favours’ (from guys or girls) in the time you added P83 to your mix? Do you think adding the P83 seems to lessen the ‘respect’ aspect of the mix a little – every time I add anything that is a friendly pheromone to A314 it seems to downplay some of the ‘power’/’admiration’ aspect of A314. I think it complements very well, IMO p83 is more emphatetic than purely social so it does not lessen the admiration effect of A314 (though [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) does but they talk too much, and that’s more power for you in certain cases). I have had extra cordiality and some more friendliness but with respect, it seems like if I was a great man mixing with the normal people and I have chosen you for talking so you must try to make me happy (respect like with A314 alone but without shyness and unnaccesible effect but definitely with full admiration, it’s like if I highered his level not like if I lowered mine). > [@Socrates](#): > > So you mean that P83 could be used for adding empathy and convincing people that they think the same as you? So it could be some kind of connecting agent like TaoistBiker said (see pasted posts below). I am not sure what line of work you are in Cap but how do you think this could be best exploited in a work environment – I am thinking it might be useful in Sales, when trying to convince people of ideas in meetings/presentations, and for example when trying to hype people up (and keep them hyped) to be at their best in achieving a goal. Also perhaps team building. What do you think? Does P83 do something that other empathy-promoting molecules (like P74 and Estratetraenol) and other comfort builders (like P93 and Beta-Androstenol) don’t? I think it would be useful in certain enviroments where people must feel a connection between you and them and they do things for you because they want to mantain and not lose that connection and being happy with you. Though no phero is going to make nobody to spent a million dollars in a house if it is not needed, this could possibly make a difference. In meetings/presentations, for example, I think people would do an applause because they don’t want to break the connection they think they have with you but, if the decision were to be made with a secret vote system (they can say anything without fear to lose empathism with you) it would not be too much advantage because people will know that there is no risk of getting you upset personally. I like to imagine it like if you had some long years ago friend and you don’t want to dissapoint him doing something bad, or like if you had just met a beautiful girl and you feel a special connection that you don’t want to fuck (the connection, not the girl 😉) saying nonsenses, and you are worried about what you should do or say. It’s that kind or effect. P83 is better in this effect than p74 because IMO p74 tames a lot the respect thing in A314 with that cool vibe (i only tested it three days and didn’t like how it combined with A314, at least for working). I do not have any EST for testing, sorry 😉. The betanol part of the equation in my test is important, at least for me, to tame the shyness of talking to you because of the big-respect thing in A314, if they don’t talk a lot, they don’t really feel that “special connection” between us, so I use Instant Honesty so they can blabla a little about things they should not have said with our real friendship level so they can imagine helped by p83 there’s a connection betweet us because we share some personal or secret thingies 😉. I must say I have noticed this bondness effect only with men, women seem to be affected normally by A314+Instant Honesty but not from “connection-83”, and if they are, they confuse things and feel that connection IMO with -none and your high vibe, like if there is special love or something. It only happened once, enough (it was a partner’s girlfriend), so I can’t say it’s a fact. Maybe using with -Androsterone alone or +p93 or androstadienone women take off their guards and could be more affected by bondness-83?? We should try it a little 🙂. > [@Socrates](#): > > Okay so that would be a problem for everyday use in a work environment. Then again P83 is a more ‘socially acceptable’ pheromone to wear out in public from my own experience than AndrosteNone. At medium dosages (25 mcg) I don’t think there is much aggression either with it whereas with Androstenone even at very low dosages it can set someone sensitive and impulsive off. Also I don’t know if ‘occasional’ sexual hits are that bad in a work environment. Unless you are saying that even at 12.5-25 mcg of P83 it can come across that the wearer (in this case you) is too sexually aggressive? > [@Socrates](#): > For me it was a big problem in a work environment but, we should try the effect without -none inside the mix and try to explain that girl that we both have a strange friendship connection, nothing sexual, but special and see if p83 could be used for friendliness with women (I think it can, i blame -none in mix but I may be wrong, just a theory). > [@Socrates](#): > > Yes I would like to try that idea! Perhaps when I next get P83 I will pair it with Instant Gentleman (which is mostly AndrosteRone without any AndrosteNone at all) and see what it does in the office. Another idea is to have the MHarris/Jasmin replace all the minute amounts of AndrosteNone in A314 with P83 - and perhaps much larger amounts of P83 would be needed to avoid the following effect as described by MHarris… It would be a very interesting experiment, if Mharris/Jasmin could read this to make a new experimental mix with all other pheros in A314 but with p83 and without any traces of -none (or a smaller quantity). Maybe new A314 already has p83 in it? Don’t think so because of the distancing effect of A314 but we do not really know… Anyway I am almost sure -none in A314 is needed for complementing that intimidation factor and other facts of A314, so maybe we could try to find an equilibrium? > [@Socrates](#): > > So you weren’t wearing massive doses of P83. Perhaps if you want to take a ‘chance’ sometime you could try going higher (say 60 mcg of P83) with your regular 3 drops of A314. I also found that P83 diffused quite quickly so don’t expect any ‘hits’ that are not within 2 hours of applying the P83. > > Anyway thanks again for trying this (reps to you) and let us know if you continue with this experiment. > > -Visionary I had a to go of mx158 (if i remember well) so it was 12,5mcg per spray and never used more than 25 mcg because i was experimenting at work and I try to be sure and start from above, after a week more or less and using two sprays I had this female problem and I stopped using it (ain’t testing anymore there with p83, at least in that mix, ☹). It was not the other part of the mix because I have tested it for months there. I always sprayed the mix half an hour before needed so I must say those big effects and girl hit were in the 2hours barrier, in fact into the first hour. I don’t have any p83 left, because I used it with much success in a disco-sexual-mix but I would surely try a little more at the office next time I buy in Androtics store and continue this experiment 🙂 (i will buy p83 for sure, but I have found it more useful in attraction mixes, maybe an opinion 😉). Has anyone had problem at work with p83? Visionary? Thank you for your recopilations, by the way, IMO they have really boosted the putative investigation in this forum. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 1:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367/5 "2007-12-18T13:51:54Z")
Posted two times, sorry! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2007, 10:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367/6 "2007-12-20T10:53:57Z")
> [@capone](#): > > I must say I have noticed this bondness effect only with men, **women seem to be affected normally by A314+Instant Honesty but not from “connection-83”, and if they are, they confuse things and feel that connection IMO with -none and your high vibe, like if there is special love or something. It only happened once, enough (it was a partner’s girlfriend), so I can’t say it’s a fact.** Maybe using with -Androsterone alone or +p93 or androstadienone women take off their guards and could be more affected by bondness-83?? We should try it a little 🙂. **Hey thanks for your well thought out reply Capone! I will reply to it in full in due time but in the meantime I was thinking that perhaps you may have hit upon a really powerful attractant mix.** **Namely combining P83 and high doses of A314 (or Androsterone) may work really well for attraction purposes. Below are some posts from m3turbo who regularly uses them together (he uses high doses of A314 and adds high amounts of Androsterone to his mixes as well)…** [About AndrosteRONE](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-androsterone/3182/9) ([About AndrosteRONE](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-androsterone/3182/9)) m3turbo (April 24, 2007): “Instant Gentlemen , A314 ([A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)) and, Androsterone experimones are all sterone heavy products\*\*. I have used Androsterone as part of my mixes for a while and I am a huge fan. It does not create sexual tension per se but it does leave a very favorable and respected impression which could lead to sexual vibes.\*\*” `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/pheros-ever-got-you-laid-3792-3.html#post44496`](`http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/pheros-ever-got-you-laid-3792-3.html#post44496`) m3turbo (May 11, 2007): “**most of my mixes have huge doses of Androsterone and I have found the best doses are around 45-60 mcg ([Microgram - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)).** [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) has a lot of androsterone but not enough to produce a sexual reaction so it really can’t be used for that purpose.” [Unexpected reaction from my wife (A314 car situation) - #6 by m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unexpected-reaction-from-my-wife-a314-car-situation/4442/6) ([Unexpected reaction from my wife (A314 car situation) - #6 by m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unexpected-reaction-from-my-wife-a314-car-situation/4442/6)) m3turbo (July 5, 2007): “ **I have found that if you hit a woman with a strong whiff of androsterone during the right spot in her cycle you can drive her crazy . I always use large doses of Androsterone as the foundation to all miy mixes.** **Good Post!** ” [P86/P83 = Touch me and Touch me now - #12 by m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-p83-touch-me-and-touch-me-now/5383/12) ([P86/P83 = Touch me and Touch me now - #12 by m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-p83-touch-me-and-touch-me-now/5383/12)) m3turbo (September 4, 2007): “ ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) **P83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) **is really adding a strong sexual vibe to my mixes. I know it really turns me on but I can’t tell if it is what is turning on the girls I talk to or its my natural pheros being released in response to the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/).** ” [P86/P83 = Touch me and Touch me now - #15 by m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-p83-touch-me-and-touch-me-now/5383/15) ([P86/P83 = Touch me and Touch me now - #15 by m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-p83-touch-me-and-touch-me-now/5383/15)) m3turbo (September 5, 2007): “ ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) **P83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) **definitely brings me to life but it is always accompanied with my libido cutting loose. I have been using 2.5 mcg ([Microgram - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)) per spray and using between 1-5 sprays. The vibe is nothing short of sex crazed I hit on all girls I come in contact with.** I have worn it by itself ,with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) , and with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) makes me pissed not really turned on.” [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-to-use-for-a-college-setting/5459/3](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-to-use-for-a-college-setting/5459/3) m3turbo (September 9, 2007): “ **Re: What to use for a College Setting** [**P83**](https://a314.com/product/p83/) **has really produced some strong reactions for me . I would definitely suggest it.** ” [What to use for a College Setting](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-to-use-for-a-college-setting/5459/8) ([What to use for a College Setting](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-to-use-for-a-college-setting/5459/8)) m3turbo ( ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/))September 10, 2007): “It is going to really drive them crazy . If ammo ([AMMO – Sexual Attraction Pheromone Cologne For Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)) alone is doing that much then **you are in for some good times when you get your** [**p83**](https://a314.com/product/p83/). Let everyone know how that goes.” [P83, P74 , Androsterone, A314,and Instant Honesty 2X . The Best mix bar none.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-p74-androsterone-a314-and-instant-honesty-2x-the-best-mix-bar-none/5536/1) ([P83, P74 , Androsterone, A314,and Instant Honesty 2X . The Best mix bar none.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-p74-androsterone-a314-and-instant-honesty-2x-the-best-mix-bar-none/5536/1)) m3turbo (September 14, 2007): “ ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) **P83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/))**, P74 ([Experimental Pheromone P74 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p74/)) , Androsterone, \*\*A314 ([A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/))**,and **[Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) ([Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/))** 2X . The Best mix bar none. **It has finally happened . Pheromones have finally given me a wild sexual experience. I met a girl in my psych class yesterday who initiated a conversation with me and then we exchanged numbers. That night she texted me and asked me to come over. I did and we had crazy sex. The instant honesty ([Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/)) and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)** are what really put me over the top\*\*. I suggest this mix to anyone who is not playing around. This mix is not for the faint of heart.” [P83, P74 , Androsterone, A314,and Instant Honesty 2X . The Best mix bar none.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-p74-androsterone-a314-and-instant-honesty-2x-the-best-mix-bar-none/5536/3) ([P83, P74 , Androsterone, A314,and Instant Honesty 2X . The Best mix bar none.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-p74-androsterone-a314-and-instant-honesty-2x-the-best-mix-bar-none/5536/3)) m3turbo ( ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/))September 14, 2007): “It was a megadose to say the least… P74 ([Experimental Pheromone P74 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p74/)) 6 sprays 10 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) per spray [EO](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_oil) additive [**P83**](https://a314.com/product/p83/)\*\* 6 sprays 10mcg per spray **EO ([Essential oil - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_oil))** additive\*\* **Androsterone 10 sprays 15mcg perspray** [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 1 spray on chest **4 drops A314 ([A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)) (one drop per pulse point)** 2 sprays [Instant honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) (one on each shoulder) Covered with Tommy True star cologne and I showered with Zest soap before pheromones were applied. It was about 4 hours after the pheromones were applied that I got the numbers.” [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-p74-androsterone-a314-and-instant-honesty-2x-the-best-mix-bar-none/5536/11](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-p74-androsterone-a314-and-instant-honesty-2x-the-best-mix-bar-none/5536/11) m3turbo ( ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/))September 16, 2007): “I put the drops in the front of my ears and on my wrists. I applied the sprays all over my upper body and the Instant Honesty ([Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/)) on my shirt. ” [P83, P74 , Androsterone, A314,and Instant Honesty 2X . The Best mix bar none.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-p74-androsterone-a314-and-instant-honesty-2x-the-best-mix-bar-none/5536/14) ([P83, P74 , Androsterone, A314,and Instant Honesty 2X . The Best mix bar none.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-p74-androsterone-a314-and-instant-honesty-2x-the-best-mix-bar-none/5536/14)) m3turbo (September 17, 2007): “**I have found that going past 100mcg of androsterone does not produce any more results but up to 100 mcg ([Microgram - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)) the more the merrier. I am socially outgoing so the initial overbearing effect of an Androsterone [OD](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics) has proved to be irrelevent for me.** ” [Putatives with a sexual vibe.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-with-a-sexual-vibe/5617/3) ([Putatives with a sexual vibe.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-with-a-sexual-vibe/5617/3)) m3turbo (September 19, 2007): “ **Re: Putatives ([https://a314.com/](https://a314.com/)) with a sexual vibe.** [**P83**](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and P74 ([Experimental Pheromone P74 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p74/)) have served me well. ” ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) [My latest results of P83, disturbia, dementia, erotica! - #30 by m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-latest-results-of-p83-disturbia-dementia-erotica/5792/30) ([My latest results of P83, disturbia, dementia, erotica! - #30 by m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-latest-results-of-p83-disturbia-dementia-erotica/5792/30)) m3turbo (October 3, 2007): “**I have found that the sweet spot for me with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is about 25-40mcg. More than that seems to cause some awkwardness.** ” ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) [P85 a nice surprise](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-surprise/6979/6) ([P85 a nice surprise](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-surprise/6979/6)) m3turbo (December 2007): “I have been using 12.5 mcg ([Microgram - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)) of [P85](https://pheromonelabs.com/). **And my mix is still rich with Androsterone but not as rich as it used to be.** THe Mix is … 1 spray [Androstadienone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) back of the neck at 2.5mcg 3 sprays of [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) on the Shoulders **3 drops of [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) 4 sprays of Androsterone at about 40 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) per spray estimated.** **5 sprays [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) at 5mcg per spray** 3 sprays of [P85](https://pheromonelabs.com/) at 5mcg per spray.” [Mix Changeup](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mix-changeup/7360/5) ([Mix Changeup](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mix-changeup/7360/5)) m3turbo (December 2007): “**My base is 45 mcg ([Microgram - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)) of Androsterone in Addition to 4 drops of [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)** so I don’t think there was too much of a problem with that. My usual mix is the one I list on the thread best mix ever.” ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2007, 11:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367/7 "2007-12-20T11:37:11Z")
I use a similar disco mix in ingredients (±none) but a much lower dose, i think one day i will megadose on everything on the mix except -none and see what happens, it’s only that I have very few pheros left and Christmas is a bad time for being without pheros (not much money to buy more and a lot of good situations where experiment with them)… I must say p83 has really surprised me, much more than p79, for example, or at least its effects seem more consistent. Liked p74 very much but only tested a togo, next buy is p83+p74 for sure and… maybe PheroProof again (dreaming is free). 😉 PS: Thank you Visionary for your -rone+p83 extracts, they’re great for trying to understand this. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2007, 4:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367/8 "2007-12-22T04:05:52Z")
> [@capone](#): > > Has anyone had problem at work with p83? Visionary? **Some examples of potential problems that [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) may bring with it in a work environment (and in other situations) are pasted in below. Note SteveO was using approximately 75 mcg of P83 applied within a 5-6 hour period when he got his ‘bad’ reaction. On the other hand, Rattlesnake was only using 2.5-12.5 mcg when he was getting the avoidance reactions from girls since as he put it “They want to do something but know its inappropriate and tend to avoid you as a result”. So perhaps a lower dosage is ‘safer’ for use at work - Rattlesnake’s avoidance reactions look to me to be quite a bit less problematic than the Androstenone-like angry reaction that SteveO got…** [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-latest-results-of-p83-disturbia-dementia-erotica/5792/15](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-latest-results-of-p83-disturbia-dementia-erotica/5792/15) SteveO (October 1, 2007): “OK so after a very long extended day at the hospital with my dad and my mom I needed a break. I decided I would leave out of there and go have some coffee for my Saturday night. Yeah I know how lame it is to be at BuckyStars drinking coffee instead of being out sarging on a Saturday night. Heck I would take sitting drinking coffee with all the other Saturday night rejects than sitting in the freaking hospital. Call it social addiction or withdrawals but I need to go out and sarge or I get sickened at mans plight to entertain using such mundane instruments as the Television. I was on line for my Vanilla Bean drink when my good friend Davey who’s still in the Navy and probably will be for life (Thanks Billy Joel for the lyrics but I am not saying his real name) comes in and stands in line with me. Somehow I went from being first in line to behind about six people. My pink and sparkly friend who I’ve posted about before is working and she always gives me her employee discount. She also gives me her comp pound of coffee every week. I love that girl! I have been showing my Navy buddy how to use Mystery Method ([http://affiliates.mysterymethod.com/z/28/CD84/](http://affiliates.mysterymethod.com/z/28/CD84/)) and there’s this girl who is in a Blockbuster Video uniform with her name tag. Even though she is in a uniform she is very nerdy. Lucky me, as [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) always makes nerdy girls seem to be on edge sexual wise around it. I opened her and used a DLV about an old classmate who worked at Blockbuster to get her to open up. Needless to say the conversation went very well. This girl was amazed after she complimented me on my spectacular sense of humor that find out I do stand-up comedy on Wednesdays. She was totally set on coming to my next gig and made it a point to let me know she would be there. Just then Pink and Sparkly friend yells over counter “Is SteveO flirting with another girl? Doesn’t SteveO have enough girlfriends?” Blockbuster girl gets a little flustered, maybe she thinks Pink and sparkly is my girlfriend and she leaves without her muffin. I go outside with Navy friend and grab a table. My Vanilla Bean drink is horrible: not blended well, big chunks of ice, very little flavor. I go back in and tell the girl who made it. My friend took the order but other girl made it. She got upset and almost cried. It was weird cause she was like so sad that I didn’t like the drink and then said you’re still going to love me aren’t you? I was like I never loved you to begin with. Considering I only saw this girl like maybe two times before this was very out of place for her to say it. She asked if I wanted another one and I said no. I just wasn’t interested in her and didn’t really want to send her any wrong signal after she had said what she did. Then youngster employee said she would make me a Caramel Apple Cider on the house. I agreed after some bantering. She is a sexy girl but underage by about 6 months. I have to tell you it was the best drink in the entire BuckyStars world. It’s not on the menu but holly Toledo it was AWESOME! Youngster employee was so nice and flirty with me, I had to tell her to back off or I would end up in jail. She said I’m worth it and then said but I would never tell anyone. OK a bit too much for SteveO and didn’t want to ruin my reputation as a player, but I do have some scruples. I told her to wait until she was 18 and we’d talk about it then. She said it was a date but she probably couldn’t make it through the night thinking about me. Blasted P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)), it’s freaking way to affective. Outside drinking my super delicious Caramel Apple Cider eating my gooey oatmeal raisin cookie, Blockbuster girl comes back to get her muffin she forgot. She was in a rush but said that she wouldn’t have minded at all if I decided to eat her mufffffin. I said maybe when your not in such a rush to get back to work, that I like to take my time when eating a girls mufffffin. She said she would see me Wednesday and we could further our conversation there and to make sure I was hungry. Navy guy was amazed and thought it all came from TMM. I assured him I had a secret weapon and would mix a batch up for him. He was very intrigued. Then managers daughter employee came out and asked for help with garbage can. Big country, another friend who had joined us was pulling the bag while Navy was pulling the can. I yelled smack it, smack it harder and managers daughter employee hit me in the shoulder. I was kind of shocked at this as I gave her no reason too. She said she was sorry but I had offended her with my sexual remark! I asked her what specifically she had taken from smack it (subsequently was totally said about the garbage can being stuck) did she take as sexual and even more so about her? Side-note: She is not someone I find even remotely attractive. From what I understand from Pink and Sparkly she is super prudish. Pink and sparkly had come outside for ten minute break and asked managers daughter employee why she hit me. Both my friends who were wrangling the garbage can were surprised too. Everyone agreed that my comments were about the garbage can and had absolutely nothing to do with her. **She tried, all to no avail, to continue to blame it on my sexual innuendo directed at her. In fact she wasn’t around for my conversation with any of the other girls. I may be a PUA, but as such I am discreet when I am talking to women.** **P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) has some very sexually aggressive undertones that can be mistaken by some. Especially those that you are not interested in still have the tendency, even when no suggestions to substantiate their claims, to validate your sexual desire for them. This can be a negative aspect of the molecule. I will continue to try and buffer this with some other molecules.** Feedback is appreciated.” [My latest results of P83, disturbia, dementia, erotica! - #19 by SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-latest-results-of-p83-disturbia-dementia-erotica/5792/19) ([My latest results of P83, disturbia, dementia, erotica! - #19 by SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-latest-results-of-p83-disturbia-dementia-erotica/5792/19)) SteveO (October 2, 2007): _**“…On this particular day of testing I was wearing [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) alone with original spray of 60 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) about 5-6 hours previous (2 30 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) sprays full size bottle) with one re-application of about 1/2 spray from 30 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) full size bottle half hour before BuckyStars. So yes I was wearing [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) alone all day…**_ I’ve seen this one, when I initially try it deplete itself rather quickly, especially when I mix it with other products. Only sometimes though, and thats the peculiar thing, I can’t quite pin the effects down to a specific time. This report is based on an entire day with only a small re-application and that application was in my Jeep with the windows down for the ride to BuckyStars and the wind blowing in my face for a good fifteen minutes. There are sometimes when it seems as if it lasts a very lengthy time and other times when I’m like what the heck just happened, why did this just wear out like it did? I am definitely going to keep more accurate control notes in my journal including temperatures, humidity levels, outside exposure times, and the likes. I can’t seem to find that one constant that makes it stable sometimes. Most of the BuckyStars time was spent outside, in temps around 75 degrees and I’d say inside was about the same… **As far as the agitation side I have noticed apprehension in some instances, but not outright aggression. However, that being said, the managers daughter employee did strike me. I’m not sure if that can be taken in the context of aggression from the P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)), or another theory I have been going over is maybe because I wasn’t paying her any attention she became upset. It really has me thinking about it and why she was so angry over something that didn’t occur.** **On the other hand I would definitely 100% say there are sensual undertones to this mix, if not outright sexual. I have posted in numerous threads now that this molecule has a distinctive quality that changes refined, more conservative women into open liberal sexual girls willing to go for it in public without care.** ” [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-the-multi-million-variable-putative/7495/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-the-multi-million-variable-putative/7495/1) Rattlesnake (December 2007): “ **P83 the multi-million variable putative!** Hey all, I’ve been out testing different products on their own. I began with P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) since it’s been a royal pain in the ass to figure out. I’ve varied the dosage from 2.5-12.5mcg. The effects of the dosage seemed irrelevant compared to several other factors: 1 - The target Probably the most important factor of all, for example, a girl who you’ve never met is more likely to respond well to P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) than one you’ve known for a long while. It breaks down barriers like a tank and reduces inhibitions and [LMR](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-the-multi-million-variable-putative/7495), they become far more flirty and fun. **Girls you’ve known for a while and with whom your not romantically linked nor intend to be feel very uncomfortable. They want to do something but know its inappropriate and tend to avoid you as a result. Although this can change depending on the time and place, which neatly brings me to my next point.** 2 - Time and place [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is awesome for the night scene, a little alcohol and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) can work wonders on girls you’ve only just met. **However, in professional settings it can result in mild flirting and a bit of fun IF the target is someone who is outgoing. If they arent then they’ll feel a little confused and do the avoidance thing as a self-defence mechanism to prevent themselves acting in a manner they arent comfortable with. Women I know as friends tend to act more flirty in situations where it is appropriate but again give the cold shoulder in professional settings.** 3 - Age of target \*\*There is definately a age cut off limit for [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). DONT use around 50 plus men/women, they dont like it, they dont like it all!!! \*\* The first two factors need to be taken into a account at the same time which can increase the number of variables: - Appropriate place - Inappropriate place - Knowing the girl already - New girl you’ve never met before - Outgoing Target - Non-outgoing target All in all its a difficult beast to master, well for me at least. I mean that in the sense that it’s difficult to get a crystal clear handle on the perfect application. It’s pretty simple to get it to work on most occasions but getting that sweet spot everytime is far too dependant on factors outside of my own control. As for guys, no real response, that said I wasnt watching the mens reactions as much as the womens . That said, it reminds of -none based products without the male agression, which is what a lot of other users have reported. I realise I’ve not actually given a fully detailed report on the girls/hits but I guess what I really wanted to do was give out my observations. I’ll report on the actual cases themselves if people really want to hear about it Rattle”