# P83 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power **URL:** \ **Category:** A314 Insider's Club\ **Created:** [December 13, 2007, 10:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367 "2007-12-13T10:39:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 3
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 10:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367/3 "2007-12-18T10:32:58Z")
Hey Capone > [@capone](#): > > When p83 arrived home I started using it with A314 and maybe a little betanol for work. I usually notice some envy feelings from other man when using A314+Beta Androstenol and **mixing it with p83 made the mix a little more social and people react more in the way “He’s an alpha man, but when I talk to him I am not frightened, he considers him almost a friend, an equal, and i am not an equal” so he cound end doing us a favor to compensate this,** using A314 and betanol only it was more social in other way, more like “he’s an alpha but when I talk to him he’s much superior to me, he’s forgiving my life, why am I talking to him?”, and normally ended in some commentaries about how “high I am”. > [@capone](#): > > Anyway I stopped using it after a week because of a very sexual hit on a female coworker. So the person who is exposed to your Beta-Androstenol + A314 + P83 combo could end up doing you favours to compensate for the ‘effect’. Just curious, have you actually had any extra ‘favours’ (from guys or girls) in the time you added P83 to your mix? Do you think adding the P83 seems to lessen the ‘respect’ aspect of the mix a little – every time I add anything that is a friendly pheromone to A314 it seems to downplay some of the ‘power’/’admiration’ aspect of A314. > [@capone](#): > > Visionary IMHO, p83 can be used por empathism and that could convince people that they think the same as you, but used for men that’s ok. So you mean that P83 could be used for adding empathy and convincing people that they think the same as you? So it could be some kind of connecting agent like TaoistBiker said (see pasted posts below). I am not sure what line of work you are in Cap but how do you think this could be best exploited in a work environment – I am thinking it might be useful in Sales, when trying to convince people of ideas in meetings/presentations, and for example when trying to hype people up (and keep them hyped) to be at their best in achieving a goal. Also perhaps team building. What do you think? Does P83 do something that other empathy-promoting molecules (like P74 and Estratetraenol) and other comfort builders (like P93 and Beta-Androstenol) don’t? [High-dose P83 – a different kind of ‘respect’ signal? - #2 by TaoistBiker](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-dose-p83-a-different-kind-of-respect-signal/3219/2) ([High-dose P83 – a different kind of ‘respect’ signal? - #2 by TaoistBiker](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-dose-p83-a-different-kind-of-respect-signal/3219/2)) TaoistBiker (April 21, 2007): “My P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) experience is somewhat dose dependent. **I would describe it as a “vibe sensitivity” substance. In small amounts, it makes me sensitive to the energy present, and in high doses “sucks you in” to the energy. If things are social, it tracks the social energy. Likewise, it seems to have a similar response to anti-social and sexual energies. Very cool and empathetic in a way** I’m wondering if the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is playing off your natural energies. Adding something like [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) or [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) modify the intensity while playing with either identification or disassociation of the subjective experience. I think playing around with a [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)/P83 combination could be fun.” [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-dose-p83-a-different-kind-of-respect-signal/3219/4](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/high-dose-p83-a-different-kind-of-respect-signal/3219/4) TaoistBiker (April 21, 2007): “**[P83] feels more like a connecting agent rather than an enhancing agent. Subjectively it feels like an “experience”, “state” or “energy” bonding experience.** **It’s different than beta-Androstenol to me in that beta-Androstenol is a more emotional/cerebral sort of connection and in me tends to be a “person bonding” experience.** ” > [@capone](#): > > The problem comes when used in women, the tiniest (very very tiny) sexual insinuation (let’s say a longer look) could end in sexual arousement in a work enviroment (I must say sometimes girls are only suddently hot but they don’t have to necessarily relate it to you and go search her husband). So it should be worn keeping this in mind if your targets are women. Okay so that would be a problem for everyday use in a work environment. Then again P83 is a more ‘socially acceptable’ pheromone to wear out in public from my own experience than AndrosteNone. At medium dosages (25 mcg) I don’t think there is much aggression either with it whereas with Androstenone even at very low dosages it can set someone sensitive and impulsive off. Also I don’t know if ‘occasional’ sexual hits are that bad in a work environment. Unless you are saying that even at 12.5-25 mcg of P83 it can come across that the wearer (in this case you) is too sexually aggressive? > [@capone](#): > > Just an opinion , maybe it could be used without -none, let’s say only -Androsterone instead of A314 for avoiding this? Yes I would like to try that idea! Perhaps when I next get P83 I will pair it with [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) (which is mostly AndrosteRone without any AndrosteNone at all) and see what it does in the office. Another idea is to have the MHarris/Jasmin replace all the minute amounts of AndrosteNone in A314 with P83 - and perhaps much larger amounts of P83 would be needed to avoid the following effect as described by MHarris… [When will the new Pheromones To Go section have products?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-go/579/18) ([When will the new Pheromones To Go section have products?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-go/579/18)) MHarris (August 25, 2006): “…Androsterone alone, though, has too much of a provider feeling to it… sort of like a giant, male placental figure. Rone alone can get you walked all over, and have your lover seeking a -none male during ovulation…” > [@capone](#): > > PD: My dose was 12.5mcg and 25mcg p83 (don’t remember how much i worn when sexual hits happened) + 3 x A314. Maybe using less we get more women emphatogen than sexual effects? So you weren’t wearing massive doses of P83. Perhaps if you want to take a ‘chance’ sometime you could try going higher (say 60 mcg of P83) with your regular 3 drops of A314. I also found that P83 diffused quite quickly so don’t expect any ‘hits’ that are not within 2 hours of applying the P83. Anyway thanks again for trying this (reps to you) and let us know if you continue with this experiment. -Visionary --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367)._