# P83 - Mind Bending Sex **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 16, 2007, 12:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686 "2007-05-16T00:13:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 6:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/61 "2007-05-28T18:06:15Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > care to elaborate? Used socially, [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) seems to create a good amount of agitation…similar to none, but a bit different. To me P83 negative effects feel a lot like the agitation create by chikara. It has an aggressive edge to it, and a sexual energy thats a lot like androstenone. The synergy between androstenone and P83 is excessive for most social situations, but used in straight sex mixes, the two work very well together. Without going into too much detail, I had a very rare instance of the lady sniffing my neck (where I had applied TUTH + P83, TAA + dienone + P79), and within minutes she and I were going at it again. Good stuff. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 8:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/62 "2007-05-28T20:37:45Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > _**1)**_ Inspired by this thread, I wore this mix last night: > > [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) + [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) + [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) + [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) + A314 > > Awesome shit as a sex mix. Try it out > > **2)** Without going into too much detail, I had a very rare instance of the lady sniffing my neck (where I had applied **Turn Up The Heat + P83 + TAA + Androstadienone + P79)**, and within minutes she and I were going at it again. Good stuff. And the winner out of those two mixes, Sigma, are? :o ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 1:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/63 "2007-05-29T01:22:46Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > And the winner out of those two mixes, Sigma, are? :o The winner is the mix I wore today: [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), P79, TUTH, Dienone, EoW (diluted 50:1), TAL Downright raw and animalistic ---
**Author:** ![marie\_lenae](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marie_lenae/32/1361_2.png) [@marie\_lenae](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marie_lenae)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 1:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/64 "2007-05-29T01:46:50Z")
🙂 at what mcs?? for dienone?? ---
**Author:** ![marie\_lenae](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marie_lenae/32/1361_2.png) [@marie\_lenae](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marie_lenae)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/65 "2007-05-29T01:47:14Z")
i meant mcg?? lol ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2007, 2:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/66 "2007-05-29T02:40:21Z")
> [@marie\_lenae](#): > > i meant mcg?? lol I actually used an old bottle of LS Chemset dienone that I had a lying around. 4 drops at half strength (5ml per bottle). Not sure what the exact mcg’s were. ---
**Author:** ![Flipcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/47e85d/32.png) [@Flipcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flipcat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 2:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/67 "2007-05-31T02:34:57Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > I actually used an old bottle of LS Chemset Androstadienone that I had a lying around. 4 drops at half strength (5ml per bottle). Not sure what the exact mcg’s were. How about the dose of all of the other stuff? ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 6:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/68 "2007-05-31T06:40:27Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > Used socially, P83 seems to create a good amount of agitation…similar to none, but a bit different. To me P83 negative effects feel a lot like the agitation create by chikara. > > It has an aggressive edge to it, and a sexual energy thats a lot like androstenone. The synergy between androstenone and P83 is excessive for most social situations, but used in straight sex mixes, the two work very well together. Without going into too much detail, I had a very rare instance of the lady sniffing my neck (where I had applied Turn Up The Heat + P83, TAA + Androstadienone + P79), and within minutes she and I were going at it again. Good stuff. anyone else noticed agitation with p83? i haven’t at all (and i don’t notice it with chikara for that matter) ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 12:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/69 "2007-06-25T12:04:25Z")
Are there any updates/reports on using p83 with other things like [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), ammunition and p79 (or indeed all of them)… i wonder… also using p83 to increase physical attraction (after comfort) for an LTR (getting her to become your LTR girlfriend..)? ---
**Author:** ![DrSmellThis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@DrSmellThis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrSmellThis)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 2:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/70 "2007-06-25T14:13:34Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Are there any updates/reports on using p83 with other things like Instant Female Magic, ammunition and p79 (or indeed all of them)… i wonder… > also using p83 to increase physical attraction (after comfort) for an LTR (getting her to become your LTR girlfriend..)? Yes, I’ve been using p83, p74, p79, TAL, mix 143, Shine, Magic, Openness, and Turn Up The Heat, among a few others. However, the situation is quite complex and it’s not good to shoot my fool mouth off too early. So far an early hypothesis involves keeping all the strong sexual and aggressive ones at very small, similar doses. When I vary from that approach it has not served me as well, though with -none I might have more leeway, strictly speaking. Another hypothesis so far is that the more things you combine, the trickier it is to get it to work, so you can’t conclude anything until you’ve solved all the problems. Yet another hypothesis is that the Androstadienone product, Magic, seems to bring the sexual notes together, though again dosage is tricky. Reapplying might be a decent idea for that product, so you don’t have to worry about -none conversions, which do happen with it. I haven’t found a way to use more than one spray, as with the other uber male notes, unless I avoid Turn Up The Heat. I was suprised to get a positive reaction from one spray TAL to the crotch area, as part of a sexuality (not having sex, necessarily) mix, though I’ve not replicated it yet. THis one seems tricky to use, and TAH seems double tricky, more like copulins. I had no luck combining TAL and TAH together so far. Once I had good luck substituting AMMO for the Turn Up The Heat, for some strange reason. So far Turn Up The Heat does not seem to be as good as Edge for meeting women for romantic or sexual purposes. There seems to be a snag in the formula somewhere, even in comparing it to straight none products. If I knew the formula I could quite possibly figure it out. That is not to say it’s not useful as a source of -none. The product clearly improves my results when used properly. I just don’t know if it’s ideal. Finally 143 seems to be a great product for sexuality purposes, again used at small doses, so far. What I expect to find is that I’ll want to bump some things up and take others down, but that takes a lot of trial, error and luck. I’m moving as fast as I can on it. Last night I experienced some OD reactions, but that could be build up, just as likely as the products themselves. I’m using them too many days in a row trying to decipher the whole mess. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 2:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/71 "2007-06-25T14:42:03Z")
> [@](#): > > I was suprised to get a positive reaction from one spray TAL to the crotch area, as part of a sexuality (not having sex, necessarily) mix, though I’ve not replicated it yet. THis one seems tricky to use, and TAH seems double tricky, more like copulins. > > I had no luck combining TAL and TAH together so far. what dosage ranges have you been playing with, DST? do you get bitchiness with TAH - is that what you mean by ‘more like copulins’? I found bitchiness with TAL, but TAH is more like turning up the feminine energy - radiance/charisma, tending towards a gay direction. > [@](#): > > So far Turn Up The Heat does not seem to be as good as Edge for meeting women for romantic or sexual purposes. There seems to be a snag in the formula somewhere, even in comparing it to straight none products. If I knew the formula I could quite possibly figure it out. That is not to say it’s not useful as a source of -none. I just don’t know if it’s ideal. Have you tried the androstenone experimental mixes (that used to be called T1 through T6)? ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 2:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/72 "2007-06-25T14:44:53Z")
Thanks for the info… I think [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) / P79 should be in my movie date mix, as I want to steer myself out of a possible friends zone which I may end in and I don’t want that. I’m not aiming to have sex though, just to make her see me in a physical way too. I’d like to know some dosages which you have tried, DrSmellIt.. for instance if I’m going to use 1xammo (adding another spray later on after the movie) plus 2 sprays IFM on the back of my neck, do you think 4xP79 and 4xP83 would be too much (how about 2x both of them)? ---
**Author:** ![DrSmellThis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@DrSmellThis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrSmellThis)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2007, 12:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/73 "2007-06-26T00:28:15Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > what dosage ranges have you been playing with, DST? do you get bitchiness with TAH - is that what you mean by ‘more like copulins’? I found bitchiness with TAL, but TAH is more like turning up the feminine energy - radiance/charisma, tending towards a gay direction. > > Have you tried the androstenone experimental mixes (that used to be called T1 through T6)? Usually one spray of everything. With TAH/TAL both it was more like nothing much happened, though I was able to cooperate and get work done with the opposite sex just fine. THere just wasn’t the spark element. When I used crotch TAL alone I did experience forwardness, getting approached by a married woman with heavy flirtation. However that was just once. I’ve not tried the -none experimentals. Have you? Has anybody? I just think it’s hard to improve on Edge. What is clear is that a little -rone improves the -none effect, as with Stone’s P10 or A7, the new L-S product. The same can be said of a little A1, I think. But these things are usually in our mixes anyway. Same with -nol. ---
**Author:** ![DrSmellThis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@DrSmellThis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrSmellThis)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2007, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/74 "2007-06-26T00:30:36Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Thanks for the info… I think P83 / P79 should be in my movie date mix, as I want to steer myself out of a possible friends zone which I may end in and I don’t want that. I’m not aiming to have sex though, just to make her see me in a physical way too. > I’d like to know some dosages which you have tried, DrSmellIt.. for instance if I’m going to use 1xammo (adding another spray later on after the movie) plus 2 sprays Instant Female Magic on the back of my neck, do you think 4xP79 and 4xP83 would be too much (how about 2x both of them)? I’ve never used these megadoses, since the small doses seem tricky enough to me. So far adding another 10 mcg spray to my one has never produced anything better. But going to half sprays on things sometimes has. Keep in mind I’ve only recently started experimenting with the Androtics products, except for a314. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2007, 12:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/75 "2007-06-26T00:47:52Z")
> [@DrSmellThis](#): > > I’ve never used these megadoses, since the small doses seem tricky enough to me. So far adding another 10 mcg spray to my one has never produced anything better. But going to half sprays on things sometimes has. Keep in mind I’ve only recently started experimenting with the Androtics products, except for A314. Glad you’re hanging out, Doc! Sincerely, Mobes ---
**Author:** ![DrSmellThis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@DrSmellThis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrSmellThis)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2007, 12:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/76 "2007-06-26T00:59:53Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > Glad you’re hanging out, Doc! > > Sincerely, > > Mobes Mobes! Had no idea that was you! Good to see you also. Good luck in your search for the holy grail. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2007, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/77 "2007-06-26T01:42:16Z")
> [@DrSmellThis](#): > > Usually one spray of everything. Just so you know, people use different doses per spray (eg tacitus tends to use 25mcg). I am guessing that was a 5mcg spray? > [@](#): > > With TAH/TAL both it was more like nothing much happened, though I was able to cooperate and get work done with the opposite sex just fine. THere just wasn’t the spark element. When I used crotch TAL alone I did experience forwardness, getting approached by a married woman with heavy flirtation. However that was just once. I think TAH/L solo is confusing… Michael reported receiving quizzical looks from people when he did that and suggested always combining with at least same mcg dose of male mones. I also think maybe at some point OD is a good idea with putatives/test molecules so you get a clearer feel for what it is they do. eg 50mcg of TAH 😉 > [@](#): > > I’ve not tried the -none experimentals. Have you? Has anybody? I just think it’s hard to improve on Edge. yes (I like Impi too - find it more consistent than edge in avoiding bad side effects). people have tried test none products but not enough - including me. I found it no fun wearing just none everyday… ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2007, 5:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/78 "2007-06-26T05:37:46Z")
> [@DrSmellThis](#): > > I’ve never used these megadoses, since the small doses seem tricky enough to me. So far adding another 10 mcg spray to my one has never produced anything better. But going to half sprays on things sometimes has. Keep in mind I’ve only recently started experimenting with the Androtics products, except for A314. My [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is 12.5mcg per spray. Do you think it could produce “gut level feelings” in women? I’m wondering what could help with that kind of thing, perhaps p83 could contribute to it (besides -none of course).. ---
**Author:** ![DrSmellThis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@DrSmellThis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrSmellThis)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2007, 2:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/79 "2007-06-26T14:23:15Z")
Mx143 at one spray in a mix seems good for gut feelings, as well as p79; though I tried only one to two sprays of p79 so far. A small spray of p 83 might help things as well, but I’m still a bit new with it. Just wanted to put a few things out there, so I’m not holding progress back. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 7:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686/80 "2007-06-29T07:27:27Z")
> [@DrSmellThis](#): > > Mx143 at one spray in a mix seems good for gut feelings, as well as p79; though I tried only one to two sprays of p79 so far. A small spray of p 83 might help things as well, but I’m still a bit new with it. > > Just wanted to put a few things out there, so I’m not holding progress back. I don’t think I have Mx143 - will check again though - but I do have the earlier Mx113 which Mx143 was based on, Mx113 is not as strong if I recall well.. I’ll try your suggestions but I wonder if these are cycle dependent (I found out she has her period now) as she will be pre-ovulation. Anyway I probably should just risk it and see what happens.. Perhaps I need to keep using IFM during the date… [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686.md?page=3) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-mind-bending-sex/3686.md?page=5)