# P83 + Summer ammo + P75 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 10, 2013, 7:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805 "2013-01-10T07:18:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/21 "2013-01-15T17:16:18Z")
I remember reading somewhere that p93 is good for attracting caucasian women dsouza I havent had a change to investigate p93 but it would be interesting to see if it works EDIT: Looks like [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) isnt for sale atm ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/22 "2013-01-15T17:16:37Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I recommend the 30 mL of P75. Use it in any mix versus 2.5 mcg of NONE as a NONE substitute. P83 is used in increments of 10 mcg. for buffering. Amounts below 30 mcg. are not sexual. I have AMMO Regular and use it for my NONE. I use it because I have it. In the future, I will probably use straight TUTH for my own mixes. I use the consumer line ISHine, IO and IH. > > Here is your kit: P75 2.5 mcg, 12.5 mcg 5 mL P83, TUTH, IShine, IO and IH. The TUTH or P75 is/are your base ingredients and the rest steer and buffer. You dose and use P75 just as you would NONE, but without the pee smell or the need for heavy cover scent. I don’t know if your read my latest reports in another thread but I found that today with 1 spray of tuth and summer ammo I was ghosted, approached by very alpha dog men, but no women gave me IOI’s or they looked repulsed or ignored me. I think i got lucky with tuth the first few times but my luck has run out. I have a bottle of summer ammo I can use and I also have brand new bottle of ammo on the way.. given these are in my arsenal and I don’t hit late night club scene would you say ammo is a better bet than a raunchy tuth? If so you recommend: IS, AMMO, p83, IO , IH, p75 – mix 1 for white women under 25 Summer ammo, p83, IO , IH, p75 – mix 2 for white women under 25 correct? The dosages I can play with. Given the fact that this girl has flaked on me before I DON"T want to chase her or come on too strong with her right now… It will just drive her away. I want to give her a chance to come onto me over the next month or two before I ask her out… hence summer ammo may play a role since it makes girls chase… Any advice? ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/23 "2013-01-15T17:21:57Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I don’t know if your read my latest reports in another thread but I found that today with 1 spray of tuth and summer ammo I was ghosted, approached by very alpha dog men, but no women gave me IOI’s or they looked repulsed or ignored me. I think i got lucky with tuth the first few times but my luck has run out. I have a bottle of summer ammo I can use and I also have brand new bottle of ammo on the way.. given these are in my arsenal and I don’t hit late night club scene would you say ammo is a better bet than a raunchy tuth? imo Ammo can sometimes even be a better -none component of your mix even in a late night club scene! 🙂 Yeah if you’re not hitting highly sexual environments I reckon Ammo would be better than TUTH, Ammo has some buffering in it too ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/24 "2013-01-15T17:51:06Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > imo Ammo can sometimes even be a better -none component of your mix even in a late night club scene! 🙂 > > Yeah if you’re not hitting highly sexual environments I reckon Ammo would be better than TUTH, Ammo has some buffering in it too I’m gonna stick with ammo or summer ammo for now… I’ll leave out tuth as although it makes me more confident it also attracts the wrong targets for me (older darker skin women as opposed to my crush who is 21 and white). ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 2:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/25 "2013-01-16T14:59:29Z")
My best results with mones in 1 year came tonight. I wore 2 sprays summer ammo, 2.5 mcg p75, 10 mcg p83 to back of neck Went out noticed young blonde girls talking to me in stores and introduced myself.. Still very laid back and relaxed. Then I went home applied another 10 mcg p83 to back of neck, 10 mcg to front left hand and covered left hand with 2 sprays Acqua di gio. Got the hell out of the house before I could sniff myself into an allergy crisis. When I went back to the mall, I had no fear.. Seems p83 accelerated the effects of p75 and summer ammo. I got looks everywhere and was looking everywhere.. Had NO FEAR whatso ever approaching women.. Some cold approaches too. Got a phone number off a model working for guess outlet, and flirted with another model working for another clothing store. I am not done. I am going out tonight to Swiss chalet.. i really hope K is there.. I want to see the result on her… I will talk to her a bit more tonight and watch her reaction. Also I showered 3 times today. Didn’t workout in 3 days so I was very relaxed. And had sex last night with my SO.. So this morning I was grouchy and tired.. but tonight instant turnaround. The biggest change happened when I gradually increase p83 from 10 to 30 mcg.. Seems my mental acuity is also sharpened. Can people using this approach comment if they’ve had similar experiences with layering. No tuth was needed.. I found it unnecessary. All hits from white girls… young 20’s. No aggression from men… I felt TODAY IS MY DAY. I can’t wait for my neroli scented p83 to come. Also its now 6 pm and the effects are going strong.. All testing done at the mall.. No angry reactions. YOU have got to try this mix and report back. GOD I feel like the FUCKING MAN. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 3:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/26 "2013-01-16T15:32:43Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > My best results with mones in 1 year came tonight. > > I wore 2 sprays summer ammo, 2.5 mcg p75, 10 mcg p83 to back of neck > > Went out noticed young blonde girls talking to me in stores and introduced myself.. Still very laid back and relaxed. > > Then I went home applied another 10 mcg p83 to back of neck, 10 mcg to front left hand and covered left hand with 2 sprays Acqua di gio. > > Got the hell out of the house before I could sniff myself into an allergy crisis. > > When I went back to the mall, I had no fear.. Seems p83 accelerated the effects of p75 and summer ammo. I got looks everywhere and was looking everywhere.. Had NO FEAR whatso ever approaching women.. Some cold approaches too. > > Got a phone number off a model working for guess outlet, and flirted with another model working for another clothing store. > > I am not done. I am going out tonight to Swiss chalet.. i really hope K is there.. I want to see the result on her… I will talk to her a bit more tonight and watch her reaction. > > Also I showered 3 times today. Didn’t workout in 3 days so I was very relaxed. And had sex last night with my SO.. So this morning I was grouchy and tired.. but tonight instant turnaround. > > The biggest change happened when I gradually increase p83 from 10 to 30 mcg.. Seems my mental acuity is also sharpened. > > Can people using this approach comment if they’ve had similar experiences with layering. > > No tuth was needed.. I found it unnecessary. > > All hits from white girls… young 20’s. > > No aggression from men… I felt TODAY IS MY DAY. > > I can’t wait for my neroli scented p83 to come. > > Also its now 6 pm and the effects are going strong.. All testing done at the mall.. No angry reactions. > > YOU have got to try this mix and report back. > > GOD I feel like the FUCKING MAN. Looks like you found the gold nuggets! Now, let’s check out the best pure [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) combos: POLL: `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/poll-p75-p83-p74-combos-63119.html` ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/27 "2013-01-16T18:44:22Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > I remember reading somewhere that p93 is good for attracting caucasian women dsouza > > I havent had a change to investigate p93 but it would be interesting to see if it works > > EDIT: Looks like P93 isnt for sale atm Almost ALL my hits today came from white girls. See my report below. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/28 "2013-01-16T18:51:08Z")
I just wanted to point out this combo doesn’t make you Mr Nice guy.. you know the guy women just want to be friends with. The summer ammo contains none the p75 makes you high status and no fear, and the p83 makes women think your sexy and makes the p75 work better making you act even sexier when you get the feedback that women are oogling you. So to all those that have been in LJBF land or those who women have considered you the guy they pity or brings tears to their eyes instead of wanton lust desire, and romance, I say use this mix. It is the end of LJBF. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/29 "2013-01-16T19:14:11Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I’d wonder if that may say something about you natural nols production? - I find I need another social alongside P75/P83 to soften its impact. Go with summer ammo.. It works. Its got enough socials in it and some none too. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/30 "2013-01-16T20:32:01Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Almost ALL my hits today came from white girls. See my report below. Hmm what was it do you think that made white girls more interested in you? Was it the [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/)? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/31 "2013-01-16T20:35:52Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > Hmm what was it do you think that made white girls more interested in you? > > Was it the P75? > > Thanks I think the summer ammo. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 1:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/32 "2013-01-17T01:46:42Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I think the summer ammo. Interesting, I havent had a chance to use my recently arrived [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), though afaik besides your comment I havent seen it described at something that works better with specific ethnicities ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 5:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/33 "2013-01-17T05:47:53Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > Interesting, I havent had a chance to use my recently arrived Summer Ammo, though afaik besides your comment I havent seen it described at something that works better with specific ethnicities Well I am pretty sure most of my hits with summer ammo come from young caucasion women.. Even with ammo IS this is true but the age barrier is higher. Oh one other thing, the first thing I notice with p83 p75 summer ammo is women have this SHOCKED look on their face when i first initiate with them but after a few sentences of talk I see their smiles get bigger and they’re very receptive. No question you are in alpha land here and woman expect you to lead. ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 5:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/34 "2013-01-17T17:47:13Z")
I get huge LMR for any sort of close with this. It is almost like I am too attractive and they want to fight the urge. It is almost a look of pain on their face. If I plow through with touching they will comply and enjoy it but women often give me serious rejections and hesitation. Their is to an extent I will push, the resistance this provides is past playful resistance and a lot more serious than I would like. It may be the amount of mcg’s and sprays I use. I have done from 20 - 60 mcg of [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), I only have a 20 mcg bottle left. I may re attempt this when I re-stock on 83 and Summo. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/35 "2013-01-17T22:17:02Z")
> [@KIMBA](#): > > I get huge LMR for any sort of close with this. It is almost like I am too attractive and they want to fight the urge. It is almost a look of pain on their face. If I plow through with touching they will comply and enjoy it but women often give me serious rejections and hesitation. > > Their is to an extent I will push, the resistance this provides is past playful resistance and a lot more serious than I would like. > > It may be the amount of mcg’s and sprays I use. I have done from 20 - 60 mcg of P83, I only have a 20 mcg bottle left. I may re attempt this when I re-stock on 83 and Summo. Well these are 3 attraction products in 1 with no comfort.. Anyone else care to chime in? Could it be we’re bypassing comfort and seduction? What about a spray of tuth at the end does it help? ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/36 "2013-01-17T22:20:29Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Well these are 3 attraction products in 1 with no comfort.. > > Anyone else care to chime in? > > Could it be we’re bypassing comfort and seduction? > > What about a spray of tuth at the end does it help? TuTH made it worse when [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) was at a lower dosage, but the higher I went with 83 the more Tuth helped. She still gave me a LOAD of LMR. Do not get me wrong, if/when I broke through it was completely, freakishly, on. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 12:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/37 "2013-01-18T00:15:39Z")
> [@KIMBA](#): > > TuTH made it worse when P83 was at a lower dosage, but the higher I went with 83 the more Tuth helped. She still gave me a LOAD of LMR. Do not get me wrong, if/when I broke through it was completely, freakishly, on. With reg ammo IS p75 p83 do you get as much LMR? ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 12:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/38 "2013-01-18T00:37:05Z")
No. I know [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/) has a deal to do with it, it conflicts on some level with P75. I just cant put my finger on how to fix it. I have this problem without mones at times, I get a girl too into me and she wont want to ‘lose the power’ in a relationship. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/39 "2013-01-19T16:54:18Z")
Went out with my favorite mix again tonight (30 mcg p83, 2 sprays summer ammo, 2.5 mcg p75) and this time it backfired.. I think it was the **p83** … I had always complained about problem with this putative causing self loathing and lowered self esteem thoughts. I was full of energy and in a great mood today but I get HUGE self effects from mones and p83 backfired on me. It made my own mood very sour , and caused self loathing and depreciative thoughts about others and myself to ve accentuated to extreme levels. I think it is a safe bet to assume p83 should be left out of my mixes for my own emotional health. This putative is very effective but also very dangerous. On to more positive news: Summer ammo and p75 seem to work fine for me but unlike IS AMMO p75 guys treat you fairly beta and don’t stay out of range.. With IS AMMO p75 IO IH guys stay out of range.. It seems p75 is more powerful with the latter mix but it takes more buffering. I’ll be using my next mix come monday afternoon.. I’m going with IS AMMO (1 spray), p75, IO… Tried and true blonde killer. ---
**Author:** ![jtskariah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c6cbf5/32.png) [@jtskariah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jtskariah)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2013, 11:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/40 "2013-01-19T23:32:02Z")
Maybe adding some IH for some comfort might help the mix.. I was thinking summer ammo would be perfect for this combo. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805.md?page=3)