# P83 + Summer ammo + P75 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 10, 2013, 7:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805 "2013-01-10T07:18:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/41 "2013-01-20T00:38:57Z")
> [@KIMBA](#): > > TuTH made it worse when P83 was at a lower dosage, but the higher I went with 83 the more Tuth helped. She still gave me a LOAD of LMR. Do not get me wrong, if/when I broke through it was completely, freakishly, on. Your situation could of course be completely different than what I had, but I found when I got a ton of LMRs in a row some time back it was because I was excessively going from attraction to sex close lol, without simply spending enough time with her inbetween, and doing some interest besides attraction,& having some more of some sort of comfort level connection before sex. I also went back and studied/learnt the _Principles_ of why and how what you do much earlier on can affect LMR much later on in the MM model As you described it, her not wanting to give up her power, and being excessively attracted. That makes alot of sense. As if she’s excessively attracted to you and then sleeps with you, she will now be MUCH more emotionally vulnerable to you, and attached. All I can think of that will help with that is abit more trust that she wont be hurt by you, after (eg emotionally hurt, or have to feel emotional pain and/or heartache) sometimes it can be appropriate to give just abit of vulnerability yourself before sex, so she has some power in relation to you, the same kind of power she will feel you have over her after being excessively attracted to you and sleeping with you. So its being just abit emotionally vulnerable to her earlier on (being emotionally vulnerable to her requires some trust on your part, which sometimes results in reciprocated trust too). I’m sure you’ve heard of this already as they do teach it in quite afew PU circles anyway heh I’m also thinking a spray of IH could help ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 3:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/42 "2013-01-20T03:44:34Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > Your situation could of course be completely different than what I had, but I found when I got a ton of LMRs in a row some time back it was because I was excessively going from attraction to sex close lol, without simply spending enough time with her inbetween, and doing some interest besides attraction,& having some more of some sort of comfort level connection before sex. I also went back and studied/learnt the _Principles_ of why and how what you do much earlier on can affect LMR much later on in the MM model > > As you described it, her not wanting to give up her power, and being excessively attracted. That makes alot of sense. As if she’s excessively attracted to you and then sleeps with you, she will now be MUCH more emotionally vulnerable to you, and attached. All I can think of that will help with that is abit more trust that she wont be hurt by you, after (eg emotionally hurt, or have to feel emotional pain and/or heartache) > > sometimes it can be appropriate to give just abit of vulnerability yourself before sex, so she has some power in relation to you, the same kind of power she will feel you have over her after being excessively attracted to you and sleeping with you. So its being just abit emotionally vulnerable to her earlier on (being emotionally vulnerable to her requires some trust on your part, which sometimes results in reciprocated trust too). I’m sure you’ve heard of this already as they do teach it in quite afew PU circles anyway heh > > I’m also thinking a spray of IH could help Even when I run fantastic comfort it occurs. On PARTY girls, for goodness sake. I had used Summo + 83 + 75 at a bar and had three bathroom pulls over the course of the night. Two were party girls. I had them super into me, ran some fast efficacious comfort, did a room destroyer or two, had a load of qualification, and pulled. I spent about an hour gaming that girl. And it was not that she was saying no, it was the ‘I need to keep this one so I will hold out’. She wanted to relationship me. I tried with less solid comfort on the second one, no room destroyer and less qualification. Still holding out, still getting right up to the end goal but she had a pained look on her face as she keep logically convincing her that she should not do this. Third was a set I stuck with the rest of the night (Midnight to 4 am). A normal girl. Sorority sister, but not a party animal. Daddys Little girl. I ran TIGHT comfort. I had enough compliance with the group to move to a place to eat 20 miles away, and some sexual things we should not talk about here. But she would not let me full close. Logistics were handled in EVERY situation well. I ran good game for the girl. It was just some shiny object obsession I had the girls going after me. I have had this before without this blend, normally with less attractive girls with super low self esteem. It could be I am so amazing they want to keep me, but I think its a combination of me being so high value and having a load of social proof, status and being Alpha that a great attraction blend is too much. ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 5:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/43 "2013-01-20T05:29:35Z")
TAC is the best LMR buster going, you need to go heavier on the masculine molecules though because its a potent buffer. Try 3 sprays SE Ammo + 5mcg P75 + 20mcg p83 + 10mcg TAC ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/44 "2013-01-20T14:33:23Z")
> [@KIMBA](#): > > It may be the amount of mcg’s and sprays I use. I have done from 20 - 60 mcg of P83, I only have a 20 mcg bottle left. I may re attempt this when I re-stock on 83 and Summo. Compare the scent of 12.5 mcg [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) to 20 mcg please. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/45 "2013-01-20T14:40:26Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I just wanted to point out this combo doesn’t make you Mr Nice guy.. you know the guy women just want to be friends with. > > The summer ammo contains none the p75 makes you high status and no fear, and the p83 makes women think your sexy and makes the p75 work better making you act even sexier when you get the feedback that women are oogling you. > > So to all those that have been in LJBF land or those who women have considered you the guy they pity or brings tears to their eyes instead of wanton lust desire, and romance, I say use this mix. > > It is the end of LJBF. The 2.5 mcg of [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) with about 40 mcg of P83 sends a very distinct message to men and women alike, which some find slightly intimidating. “Guess what I’ve got in my pants? Go ahead, guess. No, it’s not my cell phone. It’s a tool, and I’m ready to go to work. Oh, and by the way cute girl, I’m not your puppy. You can pet me if you want, but I’m not your friend or your puppy. Just so we’re clear.” ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/46 "2013-01-20T21:52:17Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Compare the scent of 12.5 mcg P83 to 20 mcg please. Scent? Same, I ordered the amount I needed of P83 after sweet testing a smaller amounts. It is the same [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) scent, I think, if that is the basic cover scent. It is not very strong so I dont recall specifically. I am past the point of running things solo, I know what I have and how it works and I blend. I really only do solo tests on new products. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 11:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/47 "2013-01-20T23:09:15Z")
> [@KIMBA](#): > > Scent? Same, I ordered the amount I needed of P83 after sweet testing a smaller amounts. > > It is the same Akuto scent, I think, if that is the basic cover scent. It is not very strong so I dont recall specifically. > > I am past the point of running things solo, I know what I have and how it works and I blend. I really only do solo tests on new products. The default would have been neroli. I don’t know what the native scent of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is (if you were to order it unscented). I’m familiar with P83 neroli at 12.5 mcg. I’d probably want the 20 mcg if the overall scent remains the same. The higher you go with the mcg per spray, the less neroli you have to cover whatever is the native phero scent. I prefer using neroli 6% exclusively. As a rule I don’t really care for colognes at all. Then, if I have several product sprays of neroli, even that gets over the top. ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/48 "2013-01-20T23:30:46Z")
It was neroli. Light and fruity. Scent was not more intense. ---
**Author:** ![radioheadalways](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8edcca/32.png) [@radioheadalways](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/radioheadalways)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 8:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805/49 "2013-05-14T08:44:20Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I just wanted to point out this combo doesn’t make you Mr Nice guy.. you know the guy women just want to be friends with. > > The summer ammo contains none the p75 makes you high status and no fear, and the p83 makes women think your sexy and makes the p75 work better making you act even sexier when you get the feedback that women are oogling you. > > So to all those that have been in LJBF land or those who women have considered you the guy they pity or brings tears to their eyes instead of wanton lust desire, and romance, I say use this mix. > > It is the end of LJBF. Will this work on Asians? I tend to sweat often since I dance a lot. How often do you suggest reapplying? [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-summer-ammo-p75/57805.md?page=2)