# P83 + ? What are the best things to use with P83, and which should I buy **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 27, 2012, 10:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737 "2012-02-27T22:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 10:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/1 "2012-02-27T22:02:06Z")
what are the best things to use with P83? I got [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) 1x, IO, IH, IG, IJ, IS, A314 1.29B, TUTH, and P75 What about other ones that i don’t have so i can get those ---
**Author:** ![lowrider639](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lowrider639/32/2051_2.png) [@lowrider639](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lowrider639)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/2 "2012-02-27T22:18:52Z")
[P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is a sort of amplifier for me as it makes people act more towards their feelings. If they feel I’m alpha when I’m wearing A314, they’re more likely to show respect. I’ve also noticed a lot of shit testing with A314 + p83. It’s sort of a compliment and goes well with almost all products and combos. Hope that helps. lowrider ---
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/3 "2012-02-27T22:48:52Z")
what do you mean by shit testing? Ammo + IS + P83 sound good? ---
**Author:** ![MclarenMercedesF1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mclarenmercedesf1/32/2073_2.png) [@MclarenMercedesF1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MclarenMercedesF1)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 11:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/4 "2012-02-27T23:14:04Z")
> [@illmatic90](#): > > what do you mean by shit testing? > Ammo + IS + P83 sound good? I think he means like “Ive noticed alot of ‘stuff’ testing it” not as in it sucks but as in alot of stuff happening when he tests it ---
**Author:** ![lowrider639](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lowrider639/32/2051_2.png) [@lowrider639](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lowrider639)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 3:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/5 "2012-02-28T03:18:24Z")
No, shit testing is a term used by PUA artists. It means that girls who are interested in you will test that whether you are congruent or not with the alpha signature you’re sending through mones. If a girl isn’t interested, she won’t even bother to test you. An example of a shit test is when a girls says something like you’re weird. It’s an IOI but some people don’t realize it. You just have to reframe her statement by something like I am but I’m fun. This produces a huge amount of attraction as the girl will accept you as an alpha. There are these two girls at school who shit tested me like crazy yesterday and I reframed every statement I could. Today as I entered school, they both greeted me and started flirting which otherwise doesn’t happen. Yes, Ammo + IS + p83 is a great combo for you’re situation. ---
**Author:** ![DBCooper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c77e96/32.png) [@DBCooper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DBCooper)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 3:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/6 "2012-02-28T03:23:33Z")
> [@MclarenMercedesF1](#): > > I think he means like “Ive noticed alot of ‘stuff’ testing it” > > not as in it sucks but as in alot of stuff happening when he tests it I think old mate means they ask you to buy them a drink and then hold it while they take a pee to see if you are weak enough to do it. Also women will anyway push all of your boundaries until they know what they are. Sometimes you might actually want to invest a few bucks in the interaction, or else you should say “Sure, since we are friends the first round is on you” or something like, and say “well if I’m not here I’ll be over there” then go over there, say to buy some chips from a vending machine. Also good for displaying non-neediness is to just do “takeaways” where you leave to go speak to someone else only to come back to re-open her/her set later on. I danced with and kissed the hottest young blonde in the club one night after executing one (“It was lovely chatting to you save a dance for me later”). I then did a few laps and then ran into her again and had a dance with her (I know a few basic swing moves) and was rubbing my hands up and down her sides on the dancefloor like Derek Vitalio would do. Then I isolated her and make out a little and got her number. Knowing what I do now it might have been a fuck close instead. I can’t remember how I opened her whist she was sitting with a swarm of AFCs around her at the end of an L-shaped lounge around 2 pool tables. I remember telling her cockroaches are attracted to chocolate and there is a law saying 10% of the product can be insect lol. A bloke that night bought me a beer for that effort: he was easily impressed I’m sure. With basic game a few relationships and this repository of knowledge I’m seriously thinking about the player lifestyle for the first time. I can’t deny that one of the Mayan calendars running out on December 21st this year isn’t motivating me strongly. ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/7 "2012-02-28T04:21:26Z")
I’ve had particularly good results using mx297 and p83. It just depends on the situation. If you are trying to get close to someone in a 1 on 1 setting go with some Ammo, IH and p83. That’s always a pretty decent combo. The Ammo attracts, p83 reduces them to a puddle, and then IH can take effect and they feel like they know you from somewhere. It’s a great ice breaking combo that can help you build rapport with women. I know…trust me when I say it works. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![okyoureabeast](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/okyoureabeast/32/1395_2.png) [@okyoureabeast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/okyoureabeast)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 4:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/8 "2012-02-28T16:11:25Z")
I get a lot of submission when I wear p83 and a314 together. Very few people shit test me and the ones that do I end up bantering with and getting a good laugh out of it. It does amplify the a314 effect 10 fold probably by the disinhibitor effect of the p83. Here"s a story of a potential hit when I wore a314, p83, and ammo consistantly for this work group I’m in. I’ve been wearing that mix with ammo for a few weeks as a day mix. These two girls in my group for one of my classes have full faith in me for the success of our project because of my original idea. One day I was speaking BS about deploying our idea in China and talking about the different provinces. I know nothing of the provinces and this hipster kid called me out on it. I gave him a, “Ah you caught me” look but the girls in my group went right at him with their own comebacks saying, “Shutup J you’re a dirty hipster.” They did it later that day to our professor who happens to be my advisor. Just funny bantering and the girls coming in to defend me. That was a nice effect I’ve been trying to recreate. Nothing as pronounced as that. ---
**Author:** ![DudeBroMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@DudeBroMan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DudeBroMan)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 4:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/9 "2012-02-28T16:35:33Z")
I wore a combo of [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and A314 over the weekend and noticed no one really invaded my personal space unless they were good friends. My friend bought me a drink although I didn’t ask or even want to drink. Also noticed friends were careful when talking to me as if not to say something that would piss me off. I didn’t really like the effects because I wasn’t in a social mood to begin with and the mix kinda repelled people. But overall, I can see how P83 and A314 combine. I have a feeling this mix would work well in a relationship. ---
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/10 "2012-02-29T16:42:30Z")
What would be some other examples of shit testing? And out of the stuff i have (Ammo 1x, IO, IH, IG, IJ, IS, A314 1.29B, TUTH, P83, P74, and P75) which [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) or combos would best attract: Hispanic women? Black women? Asain women? White women? East Indian women?(7-11 indian not casino indian lol) What pheromone/combo for each of those race would attract 18-23 year olds? 24-30 year olds? and +30 year olds? Thanks!!!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2012, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/11 "2012-02-29T16:55:08Z")
> [@illmatic90](#): > > What would be some other examples of shit testing? > > And out of the stuff i have (Ammo 1x, IO, IH, IG, IJ, IS, A314 1.29B, TUTH, P83, P74, and P75) which pheromones or combos would best attract: > > Hispanic women? > Black women? > Asain women? > White women? > East Indian women?(7-11 indian not casino indian lol) > > What pheromone/combo for each of those race would attract 18-23 year olds? 24-30 year olds? and +30 year olds? > > Thanks!!!🙂 How about I hold your hand, take you out to the clubs, intro myself to the women and get their numbers for you? I say this not as in harsh a tone as it may come across…but damn dude there is a search function, but more importantly there is your brain and two legs to go out and put this stuff to the test yourself…that’s the only way you’re going to learn what works for YOU. My mix and ratios work well for me, my age, size and body chemistry. For you, it may get your ass kicked in by a bunch of bull dykes, or kissed by some random dude in a bar. Each of those races react differently to different types of products, but more importantly they will react differently to those differing types of products when worn by YOU. Now go out, have fun and test…test…test. then come back and let us k now what is working for you…or give us an idea of what you’ve tried and then we can tweak it…good luck. ---
**Author:** ![illmatic90](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@illmatic90](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/illmatic90)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/12 "2012-02-29T17:38:14Z")
You a funny character lol 😃 Can u atleast help with the best east indian girls [pheromone](https://a314.com/)/combo? since i only get around em once in a while and i dont wanna have to wait 2-3 months to test a new pheromone/combo to see whats best for attracting them give me examples of other shit testings? and What are DIHLs? i keep seeing them all over the forums.. examples of em? ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2012, 6:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/13 "2012-02-29T18:39:04Z")
DIHL stands for deer in the head lights look. When you’re driving down a country road and all of a sudden come up on an animal crossing the road they see your head lights, and freeze up. Their brain just sort of seizes cuz they don’t know what to do with themselves. An example that happened to me is when I was wearing a mix around my EX when we split up. She wanted nothing to do with me and normally on her break from work would go out and smoke. well on this particular occasion she followed me around like a lost puppy dog…even said at one point something along the lines of “I don’t know what to do with myself.” I would have to go back into my journal to see exactly what she said…but the point is…she by some unconscious / deep level consciousness felt a need to be right by my side..so much so she was just kind of lost…like a deer caught in the headlights some fateful night in the woods. Now shit testing takes a lot of forms. Whether or not you are wearing pheros or just because a woman is attracted to you. She wants to see how strong you are…or if you are just bluffing your way through the interaction or even relationship. To see if she can borrow your strength and its not just you puffing your chest so to speak..but the confidence is for real…she’ll test you for congruency. That’s the real word that should be used here…congruency tests. You’re telling her with words…tonality…body language…body chemistry etc… “I am a strong confident man, come be with me and I’ll protect you from harm.” or something along those lines…LOL. So she tests you to see what holes you have in your boundaries. if she called you at 2 am and said…“I wanna vanilla shake.” and you jumped out of bed ran to the local fast food joint bought her one and brought it to her her opinion of you might be…“he has nothing else going on in his life but me…how sad and pathetic” She may not think that the first time…but each and every time you drop everything else in your life to be by her side…that’s exactly what she’s going to think. The more a woman tests you…sadly it means the more she’s into you. She wants to know before she gets committed emotionally and physically that you are who you claim to be. They suck and can be frustrating…but know that testing is a very good sign of attraction…and as the relationship grows… love. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2012, 7:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-what-are-the-best-things-to-use-with-p83-and-which-should-i-buy/54737/14 "2012-02-29T19:16:02Z")
> [@illmatic90](#): > > You a funny character lol 😃 > > Can u atleast help with the best east indian girls pheromone/combo? since i only get around em once in a while and i dont wanna have to wait 2-3 months to test a new pheromone/combo to see whats best for attracting them Gent is also dead right! - You got to do some legwork to find out what works for yourself, we can’t tell you everything. However, if you want a pointer at a mix that I found worked very well around Indian Girls - to the point of it gathering me a twentysomething, stalker for a while, try A314/IH/P74 This just seemed to wow them and as the interaction builds, introduce some none eg Ammo or a **small** amount of TUTH. However, considering your age and the likelihood of them being similar or younger, you may want to think on replacing the A314 with IG - It has a lighter and less potentially daunting effect. And there are a lot of guys here that would love to know your experience with either variation. Over to you! 🙂